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post #201 of 268
TushasAmi - here's my $.02 on yeast and leaky gut:

Leaky gut does not necessarily = yeast, but yeast means your gut was leaky, and the yeast is furthering that. Id say you had/have leaky gut and that opened the door to the allergies, yeast, etc.

Since you are breastfeeding, the enzyme plan sounds good. Others here are more versed in enzymes and bf'ing though. I would throw in some raw garlic too. A couple cloves a day.

The diet; there are variations, but I think it depends on how bad your symptoms are and how vigorously you want to address it. I think people who include some grains (millet, amaranth, etc) are not getting at the yeast as well as people who do not. Same for fruit. Personally, I dont see overcoming yeast while eating these. When I was treating yeast, I ate low carb veggies (no carrots, potaties, beets), meat, and good fats, eggs, and after several months, some soaked nuts. It took a little while to get used to it, but once I did, not a big deal. Nowadays, I dont really feel nourished when I eat grains - I thought I missed them, but eating them again is very anticlimactic

Your dd inherited her gut flora from passage through the birth canal, and from your bm. So Id say, yeah, there's a good chance she has some yeast overgrowth too. I think the little maltodextrin is not significant, especially when compared to the benefit of the probiotic.

You are in a great place for information and support through this.
post #202 of 268
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Last week I noticed that I have oral thrush, so I'm pretty sure the yeast are in my gut, too. dd almost always has mucousy stool and a few times has had blood in it. I've eliminated dairy and soy (except for occasional soybean oil) with modest improvements. No more bloody stool, but still mucousy and still eczema.
Do you have thrush or just a white coating on your tongue? If it's not painful or uncomfortable, it's probably not thrush. I had a white coating on my tongue for a long time, but it wasn't thrush. Also, IME wheat and nuts caused mucous in my DD's stool. (Dairy caused blood in the stool, and I avoid soy so I never had to worry about that.)



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1. Has anybody had success with this strategy? And what dietary changes should I make? People seem to talk about "the" yeast control diet, but I've seen a lot of permutations of it. I know at the very least I need to reduce sugar and starch. Do I need to eliminate it all together? Go gluten free? Eliminate all grains? If so, what in the world to I eat?
I think all candida diets eliminate all fruit and sweeteners, except stevia. Most also eliminate starchy veggies like potatoes, corn, and yams. Some eliminate all grains, and some allow small amounts of grains other than wheat. And most eliminate dairy as well. Most allow nuts (you can make lots of baked goods with nuts). You can eat lots of meat and veggies, and eggs, and good healthy fats like butter. IME eating lots of fat is key to success with a low-carb diet like a candida diet--add tons of butter, coconut oil, etc to your food. Coconut oil is also anti-fungal so it's great for yeast.

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2. Is it likely that I've passed on the yeast to dd? She doesn't have thrush or diaper rash. I've been giving her Solray Baby Life because it is dairy-free but it has maltodextrin in it. If she has yeast will the maltodextrin feed the yeast? Should I switch to something else?
If your DD doesn't have any signs of yeast problems I wouldn't worry about her having yeast. I think the benefits of the BabyLife will outweigh the negatives of the maltodextrin.

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3. A question about proteases. From enzymesuff.com I understand that taking them without food will target and degrade bad bacteria and yeast. Can they really distinguish between good bacteria and bad bacteria? Therefore, will they degrade all kinds of bacteria, both good and bad, and have an effect similar to antibiotics? I suppose that if they do, it makes probiotics all the more important.
I don't know about the proteases working on both good and bad bacteria, but like you said, you should be taking probiotics anyway.

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4. Die-off. I have been taking Lactozyme and Peptizyde without any problem. Yesterday I took half a Digest Gold with a light breakfast and I felt horrible all day (still do). I was nauseated all day, achy, extremely tired, vomiting. I suppose it is different for everyone, but is this die-off? It was unbearable. dd got cranky. I think I'll stay away from the Digest Gold for a while.
You can try the low-and-slow method of introducing new enzymes, although it seems to me that if you tolerate peptizyde fine it's probably not the Digest Gold causing problems for you as it seems like it's the proteases that people have trouble with when starting new enzymes. Did you eat anything different than you normally do? It could just have been some sort of virus, too, who knows.
post #203 of 268
So an update for us is that I took dd to a naturopath who told me that I needed to stop trying the different diets ASAP because he said he was really worried about the quality of my breastmilk and because I am pretty badly anemic and have been bleeding a lot since starting back my cycles. He has put me and dd both on some really strong non-dairy probiotics and said that he wants me to do those x2 weeks and then see what happens. I'm still continuing to do dairy and wheat free in the meantime as well. I'm staying a little leery though because I'm not going to spends a gob of money on unecessary supplements (you know how NDs can be sometimes).

I left there a little grumpy though because he wants me to start dd on blackstrap molasses, which I am NOT going to do. He's BIG on starting solids ASAP and doing lots of iron rich foods.

I have no faith that this will change anything whatsoever but I'll willing to play his game for a while. I told him about my suspicions on salicylates so maybe after we do this I can try that diet next.

I've also setup an appointment for dd with my really great allergist (I have lots of love for him because he finally diagnosed me with sulfite and MSG sensitivities after many other allergists couldn't figure out what was going on). I'm hoping that he can provide some insight as well. We'll see.
post #204 of 268
P.S.

Could someone please explain to me the difference between reaction poop and teething poop?

I think dd has a mix of the 2, but if these good probiotics do start clearing things up how can I tell?
post #205 of 268
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I've also setup an appointment for dd with my really great allergist (I have lots of love for him because he finally diagnosed me with sulfite and MSG sensitivities after many other allergists couldn't figure out what was going on). I'm hoping that he can provide some insight as well. We'll see.
From what I've read if you react to one food chemical it's highly likely you react to others, also, and since food chemical intolerances tend to run in families, it seems likely to me that you'll see good results (for both of you) from Failsafe.
post #206 of 268
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P.S.

Could someone please explain to me the difference between reaction poop and teething poop?

I think dd has a mix of the 2, but if these good probiotics do start clearing things up how can I tell?
I second this Dd is cutting her first tooth now.
post #207 of 268
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P.S.

Could someone please explain to me the difference between reaction poop and teething poop?

I think dd has a mix of the 2, but if these good probiotics do start clearing things up how can I tell?
IME teething poop doesn't last very long and has a distinctive smell and color (orange for DD). Reaction poop was sporadic (of course if you're eating the food regularly it could be constant) and green, always green for us. My DD also tended to poop in the middle of the night when she was reacting to something, which she didn't normally do.

I would say just watch for symtoms of reactions and symptoms of teething. If she's drooling a lot and chewing on everything she's likely teething. If the probiotics help, then you'll know it was a reaction poop. Although IME probiotics didn't help with reactions, they just helped normalize DD's poops after I'd eliminated the allergens, and they seemed to help her gut heal somewhat (no more blood in stool) from the dairy intolerance.
post #208 of 268
caedmyn-About the IBS, have you read the info on Bifidus and the reduction of IBS? My ND sent me an article Natren just put out. I could try to scan it and send it to you if you're interested.

Question about dd's poops...(yes, more poop questions )

Since starting solids, they contain very little mucus. Before, it was VERY mucusy. I could even post a picture. It looked like a giant sneezed in her diaper They were gross. We are doing mashed and pureed foods (no flames please, she doesn't quite get the mashing with her gums part yet) and eats only about a 1/4-1/2 jar total daily of usually two different foods. We have been doing pears, bananas, apples and plums, apples and apricots, peas, carrots and squash. She LOVES peas. I opened the jar and gagged, but she loved them!

Also, since eating more solids she is sleeping better.

Coincidence? Or was she really hungry a lot because I have a low supply? Or is my BM really hurting her?

This is pushing me to consider supplementing her with a hypoallergenic formula in a sippy cup to see if I can lessen the impact my BM has on her gut.

Any ideas?
post #209 of 268
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caedmyn-About the IBS, have you read the info on Bifidus and the reduction of IBS? My ND sent me an article Natren just put out. I could try to scan it and send it to you if you're interested.

Question about dd's poops...(yes, more poop questions )

Since starting solids, they contain very little mucus. Before, it was VERY mucusy. I could even post a picture. It looked like a giant sneezed in her diaper They were gross. We are doing mashed and pureed foods (no flames please, she doesn't quite get the mashing with her gums part yet) and eats only about a 1/4-1/2 jar total daily of usually two different foods. We have been doing pears, bananas, apples and plums, apples and apricots, peas, carrots and squash. She LOVES peas. I opened the jar and gagged, but she loved them!

Also, since eating more solids she is sleeping better.

Coincidence? Or was she really hungry a lot because I have a low supply? Or is my BM really hurting her?

This is pushing me to consider supplementing her with a hypoallergenic formula in a sippy cup to see if I can lessen the impact my BM has on her gut.

Any ideas?
I haven't read that article--if you know the name of it I can try to search for it so you don't have to try to scan it.

Did your DD seem dissatisfied frequently after nursing? It's possible that she was truly hungry although it's always hard to know if things are just a coincidence or not (speaking from personal experience!).

I think in your situation I'd be more inclined to try to up your DD's consumption of easy-to-digest, nourishing foods than going with formula...I have a bit of a mental block against commercial formula, I guess. You could try pureed meats (definitely get grass-fed if at all possible). Ghee would be a really good thing to get into her, too (you could melt it and mix it with her baby food). I really think for a young baby if they're eating much at all it's better to give them pureed foods they can actually digest rather than letting them self-feed foods that they can't digest. I think the main point of self-feeding is not encouraging them to eat too many solids too early, but in your case you want your DD to eat more so purees would be better. And if your DD does well with meat and ghee you could consider giving her egg yolks...eggs are such a nutrient-dense food it's sad that they're such a common allergen, but I think it'd be worth a try because of the nutritional value.
post #210 of 268
Well my VSL3 probiotics came on Thursday and I've been taking them...today I actually had a normal BM (as opposed to either cramps & diarrhea or major constipation, sorry TMI!). I've also started taking some pascalite clay, which is supposed to absorb the toxins from bad bacteria (which could be causing diarrhea), and also to kill some bad bacteria. Which makes me wonder if perhaps the reason that Primal Defense with it's soil-based organisms is effective for some people is because of the dirt itself, and not because of whatever good bacteria is supposed to be in it. I'm also trying to make sure I stay relaxed since stress is a common cause of or trigger for IBS. I didn't think I was terribly stressed but perhaps I was more stressed than I realized.

I haven't been able to find much information on the underlying cause of IBS, but I think it is probably either due to a gut flora imbalance with the bad bacteria producing all sorts of toxins, or due to inflammation. I'm hoping that a program that addresses both possibilities (probiotics, foods that don't trigger attacks, pascalite clay, calcium & magnesium to relax the gut, and possibly raw garlic or another natural anti-bacterial to kill off any bad bacteria, and possibly l-glutamine) will address and fix the problem.
post #211 of 268

Gut/Brain connection

Ive mentioned before that Ive undertaken a meditation practice as part of dealing with my lgs issues (initally yeast, and now gerd). Ive read a lot about the effect of meditation on the gut in reputable, mainstream, clinical books. I initially read about this on a website led by an MD named Walt Stoll. He discusses something called skilled relaxation (SR) whereby you get your bodymind into such a relaxed state that your brainwaves are at a lower frequency than normal daily function (beta is awake, alpha and theta are relaxed and light sleep respectively, delta is deep sleep) Alpha is when healing happens to the body and brain (hypothalamus), but we spend very little time in alpha (this is what you pass through in and out of sleeping). The prescription is a minimum of 2 x 20 min of alpha/theta per day for 6 mos-1 year to affect your hypothalamus. When we talk about stress being bad for your gut - yes, it is. But the worse part, is that your hypothalamus can become overloaded and deliver stress to your body even when you arent actively "stressed". Its like a line in the sand, once you have crossed it, the only way to get your hypothalamus, and therefore body, functioning normally is alpha/theta brainwaves. LGS is caused by this overload of stress, or bracing, on the hypothalamus. And the definition of stress is wayyyyy broader than what we mean when we say it.

Im making this longer than I intended. I wanted to say, if you want to hear more, Ill explain more. But I felt compelled to post the testimonial below, and also to say that in my reading, SR is effective on things like rheumatoid arthritis (autoimmune), allergies, skin disorders, .... anything lgs related). This person just posted this; they cured graves disease with SR!! inspiring

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"...then the Grave's disease happened. ...My endocrinologist wanted to shut down my thyroid with RAI (black tape over the warning lights! as Walt would say)and I searched the internet for days for an alternative until I found this site. Of course, looking back with 20/20 hindsight, that first episode with candida was probably the first sign I was getting of an LGS problem. From Walt, I've learned that Graves (and a lot of other autoimmunity problems)has its origin in LGS, so I am still working on solving that. ....After the first 12 months, I was able to discontinue meds I was taking for Grave's disease. My thyroid #s have all stayed within normal range, including the all important T-3, T-4, etc."

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jess
post #212 of 268
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Did your DD seem dissatisfied frequently after nursing?
Somtimes during nursing she's even dissatisfied. Always within 10 minutes after though. I don't know...sometimes I feel like everything that has been going on (and keeps happening) is trying to tell me to "stop nursing!" But I don't want to. I don't know what to do sometimes!

I'll get the name of that article to you soon
post #213 of 268
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Somtimes during nursing she's even dissatisfied. Always within 10 minutes after though. I don't know...sometimes I feel like everything that has been going on (and keeps happening) is trying to tell me to "stop nursing!" But I don't want to. I don't know what to do sometimes!

I'll get the name of that article to you soon
Yeah...I'm seriously thinking about weaning my DD soon, although I don't feel like she gets enough nutrition from solids and neither of us are emotionally ready. I'm just starting to feel more and more that her food restrictions and reactions are causing health problems for me. Also, the fact that I still haven't had a PP AF is making me nervous that it won't come back until I wean...and we went to start TTC again in a few months. I know I shouldn't wean just for that, but...the thought's in my mind for sure. My current plan is to wean around 21 months but we'll see.
post #214 of 268
Hi everyone. I tried the Houston Peptizydes+dairy (tried goat and cow dairy). Not good. I am aching all over now and have a headache. I am even feeling depressed. Oh well, back to GFCF living.

Is there a way to make the reaction stop? Maybe I should take some SA?

Jen
post #215 of 268
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Hi everyone. I tried the Houston Peptizydes+dairy (tried goat and cow dairy). Not good. I am aching all over now and have a headache. I am even feeling depressed. Oh well, back to GFCF living.

Is there a way to make the reaction stop? Maybe I should take some SA?

Jen
1/2 tsp of baking soda in water works for salicylate reactions...maybe it would work for that, too. I've heard that pascalite or bentonite clay (1 Tbsp on water) helps with gluten reactions. Otherwise, SA would probably be your best bet.
post #216 of 268
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Do you have thrush or just a white coating on your tongue? If it's not painful or uncomfortable, it's probably not thrush. I had a white coating on my tongue for a long time, but it wasn't thrush. Also, IME wheat and nuts caused mucous in my DD's stool. (Dairy caused blood in the stool, and I avoid soy so I never had to worry about that.)
My best guess is that is it thrush, although it isn't painful or uncomfortable. It is, as you say, a white coating on the back part of my tongue, no white spots anywhere else in my mouth. I was guessing that it is thrush because the last week or so of my pregnancy I had a thick coating all over my tongue that went away with diflucan. So I thought maybe the yeast were working their way back. The crazy thing is that I completely forgot about the whole tongue thing until last week . I guess the memory of giving birth overshadowed it . dd also has a white tongue that her ped says isn't thrush, just milk sticking to her tongue.

So maybe it isn't thrush. This is what I find so frustrating, and I know I'm not alone...how do you know if you have yeast overgrowth?? I did the spit test this morning and it grew legs in less than two minutes (EEWwww!) I took several different surveys online and two said yeast problem, one said no. Is there any harm in trying yeast treatments if you don't actually have yeast overgrowth? (This is partly why I was wondering about protease activity on good bacteria)


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If your DD doesn't have any signs of yeast problems I wouldn't worry about her having yeast. I think the benefits of the BabyLife will outweigh the negatives of the maltodextrin.
Whouldn't you know, after I said that dd doesn't have yeast symptoms yesterday, today she has a spotty diaper rash - but minor.


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You can try the low-and-slow method of introducing new enzymes, although it seems to me that if you tolerate peptizyde fine it's probably not the Digest Gold causing problems for you as it seems like it's the proteases that people have trouble with when starting new enzymes. Did you eat anything different than you normally do? It could just have been some sort of virus, too, who knows.
There are a couple other things it could be. I had a little store-bought kombucha that day before, but only a very little since I hadn't had a ny fermented foods in a while. Also, my niece, who lives in the same house as us, was sick all last week and just diagnosed with rotavirus, so that could definately be it.

Thanks for all the questions and input!
post #217 of 268
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Since you are breastfeeding, the enzyme plan sounds good. Others here are more versed in enzymes and bf'ing though. I would throw in some raw garlic too. A couple cloves a day.
This seems like a silly question, but how do you take the raw garlic? I'm assuming that you add it to food, but perhaps chewing a couple cloves isn't as bad as I imagine...
post #218 of 268
forgive me for this if it's redundant - but where to go for recommedations on how much and whats the "best" to give for babies. Probiotics that is... DS is almost 11 mo.
TIA
post #219 of 268
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This seems like a silly question, but how do you take the raw garlic? I'm assuming that you add it to food, but perhaps chewing a couple cloves isn't as bad as I imagine...
I crushed them and would stick them in a spoonful of soup or tea and then swallow the whole thing real quick...or hiding them in applesauce worked well, too.

In answer to your other post, I don't think there's any harm in trying natural remedies for yeast even if you don't have it. I really don't think that white coating on your tongue sounds like thrush, but who knows.

For probiotics for your DD, I would go with any brand that contains some b. infantis and doesn't have FOS (just my personal preference on the no-FOS). I'd probably give double the recommended dose as well.
post #220 of 268
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Well my VSL3 probiotics came on Thursday and I've been taking them...today I actually had a normal BM (as opposed to either cramps & diarrhea or major constipation, sorry TMI!).
Hi all, I am jumping in. I was actually coming here to post about VSL 3 probiotics and see what experiences anyone had. Caedmyn, Are you still breastfeeding? That is a concern of mine since it has 450 billion cultures. How many packets a day do you take?
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