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post #1 of 8
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due to budget cuts, our public school just decided to eliminate the parapros in the kindergarten classrooms. The ratio went from 22 students with 2 teachers, to 18 students with only one teacher. We are pretty upset. How will one teacher be able to control that many kids. I'm worried my November birthday dd will really get lost in that environment but we don't want to hold her back a year (decided it's right for her now).

What does everyone think about this? Is this unusual? Should I be really concerned and looking for another option until 1st grade or what? We can't afford private school. Anyone have a ratio like this and it's alright?
post #2 of 8
Here every class has 1 teacher & 1 ta with around 24 students. The TA 's do group work with the kids, but if there is a SN child in the class they spend most of their time with that child.

When I was in school there was 1 teacher to 28-34 kids and they seemed to never have any problems controlling the classroom, getting those who needed it one-on-one time. If someone did need one-on-one time and the teacher was not available at that time another child would step up to help. The only time there was problems controlling the class was if there was a sub.
post #3 of 8
I would say that even at 1 - 18 you are ahead of most public schools around here, where the ratio is closer to 1 - 25 with maybe a parent volunteer if you are lucky. Not that it really helps your situation, but its certainly not out of the ordinary. Can you be that parent volunteer on a regular basis?
post #4 of 8
Thread Starter 
Thanks! Well, I am feeling a bit better about it. That was one of my concerns for kindy for dd next year was her getting lost in the mix of such high numbers as she's a very gentle little girl. She is now in a class of 13 preschoolers with a teacher and assistant. So maybe it wouldn't be that bad. So in some ways I think it's good, in another way I think it decreases our chances of getting into our school of choice because they have a lottery. So I guess we'll see. The decisions for kindy are hard enough, not to have extra things thrown in!

Thanks again!
post #5 of 8
I don't teach kindergarten all day, but I do for a half hour (by myself, with 18-20 students), and I also work in the kidnergarten at other times, so I can say that 1:18 is do-able in kindergarten, but a few things will likely happen.

1. The class will be more whole-group oriented. There will be less "exploratory" learning, because such things require a level of attention that just cannot be sustained for long periods of time with just one adult.

2. The need for order increases. A few people were APPALLED a while back that a teacher required that all students sit cross-legged during story time. Well, with 18 wiggly five- and six- year olds, and no other adults to help keep them, there will likely be more of a need to have everyone sitting quietly in a certain way, simply because of numbers. If you have an aide, you can put the wiggliest kid on his/her lap, and two others who require a little assistance next to them, and maybe one more right in front. They can be allowed more liberty to wiggle around because the aide is there to make sure that the wiggling is really just attentive fidgeting. Without that extra person, the teacher pretty much has to take a harder line just to keep everyone focused on the activity at hand.

3. Your daughter will get less one-on-one time. She won't get NONE, because teachers (the good ones, anyway) strive to make meaningful contact with all their students every day. But numbers dictate that she will get less. She can still get a good education, but she will get less one-on-one time.

4. Special needs may be either over- or under- recognized. The quiet, compliant, but struggling student may fly under the radar, while the capable but very active student, in an environment where there are fewer adults to redirect energy, may become a disruption and be referred for special services.

Overall, I prefer smaller ratios. In my classrooms, I aim to make them as close to a homeschooling environment as possible given the environment of a public school. The fewer adults, the further away you have to go... NOT because the teacher is deficient or uncaring, but because it's just how it works at higher levels.

Can your kid still get a good education? Yes. Would it be better with another professional in the room? Yes. I know that I do MUCH more student-focused, project-based work with my first grade groups (we break their class into two groups so I have fewer students at once) than with my kindergarten group, who I take all together. I still do meaningful and worthwhile things with the kindergartners, but it's definitely harder to do unstructured, exploratory, constructivist kinds of learning activities without a sedond adult around to help guide them.
post #6 of 8
Thread Starter 
thanks for the great insight! I've been thinking about that less one on one time issue a lot lately since you mentioned it. It's really too bad too because that was the one thing they really concentrated on during the open house was how great it was they could do one on one time with small groups while the assistant took the bulk of the other kids. I'd be interested to see how they are going to handle that now. I'm not sure how I feel about this really.

I think my daughter will be glad to have more order in the classroom, she really likes calm settings and doesn't like chaos at all. We chose this school in particular because the one we are in district for is much larger and much more chaotic.

But the less one on one time thing is a big deal that would have really I think meant a lot to my daughter, being able to have that attention from the teacher. oh well.
post #7 of 8
TX is 22 with one teacher. Same as through 4th grade.

-Angela
post #8 of 8
It's too bad that your ratio went up - it would be nice to have 11 kids to one teacher. Really, I think that's sort of ideal!

We had 26 kids to one teacher and an aide last year, and 17 kids to one teacher this year, which we were very happy about. It's all a matter of perspective. When I complained about our kindergarten ratio, my friends in the city of Chicago told me their kindergartens had 35+ to one teacher - obviously too many, but that's the norm there.
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