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Poll Results: Do/did you smoke marijuana while breastfeeding?

 
  • 0% (5)
    Yes, but I pumped and dumped.
  • 6% (35)
    Yes, but my child was no longer an infant (over a year).
  • 26% (141)
    Yes, I don't see a problem with it at any age.
  • 66% (352)
    No, never.
533 Total Votes  
post #21 of 151
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Originally Posted by Romana9+2 View Post
I've never tried it - never had any desire to do it, plus I'm deterred by its illegality. But I've also never smoked a cigarette, so I'm not sure I'd try it even if it were legal. I'm just not interested.

Plus, I had the privilege of watching three of my best friends ruin their lives with pot. Yes, I know not everyone who smokes pot ruins their lives. And no, they weren't (and still aren't) doing any other drugs. Being a witness to their pathetic fall and now-miserable lives also kinda turned me off.

Julia
dd 1 year old
Around here we have 2 types of marijuana users. The gateway drug users who at the same time are doing meth and crack usually anywhere from teens to early adults, but the range does vary.. Theses are drug abusers. These people ruin their lives. The other type are the seasoned user, who takes part on a regular basis to achieve a certain level of medication to live and function in their day to daily life. But that is off topic.

As for it being illegal that's not a fact everywhere. Even in places where it is illegal it is also a prescription drug, such as in the US, and it can be grown and used with government regulation and monitoring. Here in my area of Canada it is also illegal in the same way, the difference is that the law just doesn't care so long as it is not grown and sold for mass profit, it isn't mass prepackaged baggies, and the obvious not sold to children.
Here I grow my own marijuana. You can apply for permits, we also have the largest government operated grow operation in the country. I have had the police to my house for many different reasons atleast 4 times recently and each time no one asked for my permit. Here we can walk down the street with a joint, we don't hide it at all.
I think that the illegal nature of this drug should be left out, any prescription drug taken without a prescription is illegal. If you have some old ointment for a rash that you choose to use 6 months after your last outbreak and your doctor only precribed it for 2 months, if you don't consult your doctor that is use of a controled substance. But then again most moms here are from the US thus are judging on their countries laws and portrayal of a drug the gov't is having a war with, of course the gov't, wants to taint the information by testing mothers who take part in other illegal uses of drugs, unhealthy life choices, and/or abuse legal drugs like alcohol. Another tactic that they use is to not preform the proper tests, or not release information gathered. Then there are all the tests that are "inconclusive", yet still do not release the results or their definition of "inconclusive".
Also there are many studies that are conducted on subjects who SMOKE marijuana and not use a VAPORIZER. I THIINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT SMOKING IS BAD AND HAS MANY NEGITIVE EFFECTS. So many tests refer to the use of marijuana but don't have a control group regaurding the method of administration, whether it is smoked, injested, or inhaled with a vaporizer, not to metion there are marijuana ointments which relieve pain topically. Many of the ill effect of marijuana that they conclude in these studies are directly related to the SMOKING of marijuana.

Another thing I must point out is that mothers who do use marijuana are often very reluctant to openly share their experiences because in many cases it is illegal. There are so many Closet Users who hide from the world or even create the illusion that they are very against the use. I can't help but compare it to mothers who have miscarages. You think that no body else has experienced it til it happens to you and you find a support group of so many mothers who you wouldn't expect who have been through and experienced what you have. People keep it to themselves. I never knew so many marijuana using moms there were 'til I became one then the protective walls came down and the hidden act is revealed and you relize that appearences and what people want you to see are different then what is going on.

When looking for acurate information I believe you have to look for studies done independently, or from other countries where marijuana is not attacked as such.

Here on MDC we take examples from other parenting tactics from other cultures, regaurding babywearing, breastfeeding, EC, even having a drink of wine or two with dinner, or drinking on occasion. We point to these other cultures where it is accepted and embraced as a effective and moderatly safe, and say "see this is why it works so great for them, we can apply these tactics here", well there are countries where they partake and use marijuana to treat a variety of ailments on a regular basis, and it is accepted culturally, we should be looking at these societies and making the choice for ourselves, not allowing the government to tell us what they want us to believe to be the truth.

When you break down the situation, as with anything you put in your body while pg or bf, we tend to consult our doctors to guild us. Well in a country where you can be sued in the medical profession the doctors tend to cover their asses, and as with any substacne that they don't fully understand or have accurate information for deem it a risk. Not to metion that any doctor willing to come out and lead this "crusade" has so much risk to they're professional life. Better safe than sorry they say.

We as a mothering community choose to try and use natural and tradtional methods for everything, including what we put in our body, turning to non-medication solution to our health issues when possible. Midwives make suggestions to pg moms to use Marijuana to treat various things such as morning sickness, and to increase appetite.
First I have to point out that THC is fat, oil, or alcohol soluble so it needs to enter the fat cells in order for the THC to be realeased into your body. In the same situation the THC MUST begin to be absorbed when in contact with any of these substances, and in the body at this point begin being broken down.
In the making of Canna Oil or Butter for cooking the oil and fat suck all the THC from the shake or bud, and if done over the proper amount of time once the foliage is strained from the solution it then is striped of it's THC.
So when it enters the body the effects aren't experienced 'til the THC makes contact with the fat and is released, you continue to feel the effect as long as the THC is available to be released and used up, much like vitamins, it then has to be replaced.
Now yes there are minute amounts of THC left in your body which can be picked up during drug testing, drug testing identifies the compounds which makes up THC, that means when they are togather and when risidual compounds after being broken down, this is why drug tests can indicate that you've used marijuana weeks ago. Now I mentioned that THC can travel through your body, well these are the THC compounds that have not come in comtact with fat because if it had it would have been broken down. So really you can only have THC found in your system for a few days after using, but the fragments can still be found for weeks.
Now breastfeeding. Doctors state that THC enters your breastmilk because it is fat soluble and milk stores are made from substances from all areas of stores throughout the body. But inorder to enter the breastmilk it has to travel through fat but once it enters your fat cells it starts breaking down already and by the time it enters your breastmilk, then by the time you feed your child the THC is mostly broken down.
There are studies that prove that you can find out if a mother has used marijuana by testing a breastfed infant. What the neglect to inform anyone of is just how much THC actually makes it to the child and whether it is fragments of the compound that were already broken down in the mothers body. I will say that yes minute amounts may travel through your milk much like alcohol but on a smaller scale.

Another argument I've seen is that it isn't right to be intoxicated while caring for children, because it impairs your ability to care for your child. Lots of things impair your ability to properly care for your child, not just alcohol, but also sleep deprivation, migranes, pain, anxiety, hyperactivity, all of these things can also be relieved using marjuana therapy, but that's not the point. The point is that this is a form a medication not intoxication or recreational use to be abused. Different individuals respond differently to different medications over different periods of time, this is why we have a prescription medication system and doctors. If marijuana is having an intoxicating effect on you then I suggest you not care for children as I would also advise for anyone using any other form of medication with the same effect.

What it comes down to is your personal choice, and in many instanse the choice to self medicate if you are unable to recieve a prescription but it betters your day to day life. It isn't right for everyone, but for some it in not an intoxication but a tool to allow them to get and give the most the most of themselves, and no one should be judged for wanting to share the best you, and sometimes you needs help to function better.

I really must go now though, but I assure you I will be back. Please feel free to join the marjuana using moms in finding your tribe and join in a few discussions.
post #22 of 151
I haven't smoked since I got pregnant, but if offerd would probabl take a hit or two now... However, should I get a migraine, you can bet I'd smoke - its the *ONLY* thing that *ever* helped my migraines (and yes, I've tried all of the OTC meds - they're worthless, at least for me).
post #23 of 151
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Originally Posted by Chronic Chrissy View Post
Around here we have 2 types of marijuana users. The gateway drug users who at the same time are doing meth and crack usually anywhere from teens to early adults, but the range does vary.. Theses are drug abusers. These people ruin their lives. The other type are the seasoned user, who takes part on a regular basis to achieve a certain level of medication to live and function in their day to daily life. But that is off topic.
Since you quoted me, I'm guessing maybe this is a response to me saying they weren't using any other drugs and ruined their lives - i.e. that you're suggesting I just didn't know what all they were using. I actually lived with them for a while, and my now dh lived with them for years while all of this developed (and got bad) and he used MJ too. In fact, he introduced them to it. They tried E once, that was it. There wasn't anything else going on and it wasn't a gateway, it just simply was the way. So, yes, they were abusing MJ, but not any other drugs. They did ruin their lives. Dh got out for a couple of reasons; all personal and not relevant to the discussion.

I don't have a problem with people who use it in moderation, as long as no one is using or smoking in my house or around my dc. And if I'd had multiple friends ruin their lives with alcohol, I'd probably be less inclined to drink, too (but I don't think it would stop me entirely, because it's something I'm accustomed to and it's legal).

Julia
dd 1 year old
post #24 of 151
I would never smoke *anything* while nursing my babe. Ever.
post #25 of 151
Those of you that say you have used MJ while pregnant.....did you receive prenatal care? Just curious, because my midwife took urine samples at every visit, and I'm sure that if I were using an illegal substance then I would have been reported.

I've smoked plenty of MJ in my life, but I would never smoke while preg. or BF. I wouldn't smoke it anymore anyway, but that's beside the point.

The fact of the matter is, whether you agree or not, possession and use of marijuana is illegal in the United States, and IMHO, partaking in illegal behavior as the parent of a child is completely irresponsible.........just think of the ramifications. Your children could see you be arrested, be taken from you and when returned your entire relationship with them would be scrutinized by CPS for the rest of your lives........it's not worth it.
post #26 of 151
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Originally Posted by twopinknoblue View Post
The fact of the matter is, whether you agree or not, possession and use of marijuana is illegal in the United States, and IMHO, partaking in illegal behavior as the parent of a child is completely irresponsible.........just think of the ramifications. Your children could see you be arrested, be taken from you and when returned your entire relationship with them would be scrutinized by CPS for the rest of your lives........it's not worth it.
yeah, except if a person is using it discreetly, in the privacy of their own home, the likelihood that they would be arrested for it is next to none. police need a warrant to come into a person's home. hypothetically, if a person were using it in moderation, police would have no reason to obtain a warrant to search their house. it's just not realistic.

now, if a person were growing, or selling, or doing some other illegal behavior that would call attention to themselves, then yes, they run a higher risk of being arrested. but that's not what most moderate mj users are doing.

besides, in many states, possession of less than an ounce is nothing more than a ticket-able offense.

don't believe the hype.
post #27 of 151
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Originally Posted by twopinknoblue View Post
Those of you that say you have used MJ while pregnant.....did you receive prenatal care? Just curious, because my midwife took urine samples at every visit, and I'm sure that if I were using an illegal substance then I would have been reported.
maybe I just had a really laid back mw, but she never would have drug tested me! I did my own urine samples and used ph strips to test for protein, etc. maybe a hospital affiliated mw would be more rigid? I have no idea. not the kind of mw i went to.

but fwiw, my hospital ob (first birth) never drug tested me, either. then urine sample was tested in the room with me and then dumped.

i have, however, heard of testing being done after birth. my state does not do that, but some do, and YES, there can be serious consequences for that.
post #28 of 151
No. Never.
post #29 of 151
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Originally Posted by twopinknoblue View Post
Those of you that say you have used MJ while pregnant.....did you receive prenatal care? Just curious, because my midwife took urine samples at every visit, and I'm sure that if I were using an illegal substance then I would have been reported.
some midwifes suggest it to help with nausea and lack of appetite
post #30 of 151
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Originally Posted by Chronic Chrissy View Post

Even in places where it is illegal it is also a prescription drug, such as in the US, and it can be grown and used with government regulation and monitoring.
Well..not really. Even if it's legal for medical use in a (US) state, it's still a Federal Law violation. Federal Law trumps state law. As for the growing of mj for personal medical use, you're allowed to grow no more than 12 plants, and the harvest cannot be sold. There is no monitoring by the government either. IF a neighbor or somebody were to see your plants, they can turn you in to the Federal gov. and you will be prosecuted under Federal Law.
post #31 of 151
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Originally Posted by twopinknoblue View Post
Those of you that say you have used MJ while pregnant.....did you receive prenatal care? Just curious, because my midwife took urine samples at every visit, and I'm sure that if I were using an illegal substance then I would have been reported.
In the State of CA, you have to sign a consent form to have a drug test. The only thing they test your urine for , at prenatal visits, is glucose and protein.
post #32 of 151
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Originally Posted by twopinknoblue View Post
Those of you that say you have used MJ while pregnant.....did you receive prenatal care? Just curious, because my midwife took urine samples at every visit, and I'm sure that if I were using an illegal substance then I would have been reported.
I used a DEM (trained via apprenticeship, not formal schooling) for my first 2 pgs and a CNM in an OB group for my 3rd pg. Urine samples were taken at every visit in both places. The only things they tested the urine for on a regular basis was protein and sugar. The only other thing urine was ever used for during pg was for pg tests- the HPTs I took myself and the test the OB office used on my first visit.

The "complete urinalysis" required me to pour the urine into a sterile test tube, put the test tube into a plastic bag, and hand the bag to the office's lab. At regular visits I peed into a paper cup that they then dipped a little test strip into before discarding the urine. They couldn't have "sneaked in" any drug testing, unless they did it as part of the complete urinalysis at my first visit.
post #33 of 151
My doctor knows, so did my OB, and public health nurse, and CFS. My doctor told me to quit smoking(which I did) but never pushed the marijuana. All cases are closed and I'm glad there was concern, it is a drug that is all too often abused. I don't care about drug testing, I have nothing to hide. babe must run
post #34 of 151
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Originally Posted by Chronic Chrissy View Post
Another argument I've seen is that it isn't right to be intoxicated while caring for children, because it impairs your ability to care for your child. Lots of things impair your ability to properly care for your child, not just alcohol, but also sleep deprivation, migranes, pain, anxiety, hyperactivity, all of these things can also be relieved using marjuana therapy, but that's not the point. The point is that this is a form a medication not intoxication or recreational use to be abused. Different individuals respond differently to different medications over different periods of time, this is why we have a prescription medication system and doctors. If marijuana is having an intoxicating effect on you then I suggest you not care for children as I would also advise for anyone using any other form of medication with the same effect.
You are so right on!! MJ enhances my life and relationships. Anyways, thanks for educating!
post #35 of 151
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Originally Posted by littlebudsmom View Post
You are so right on!! MJ enhances my life and relationships. Anyways, thanks for educating!
That's my goal to educate because that is the only way for people to understand why we choose to make it a part of our healthy lifestyle. If people don't know they can't be blamed and when it comes to the truth about marijuana people pay big bucks to make sure we don't know or only have a vague understanding with no answers.
post #36 of 151
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Originally Posted by Dylan'sMommy View Post
I would never smoke *anything* while nursing my babe. Ever.
There are many other methods that can be used to experience the effects of THC, not just smoking. You can use it in your cookingCanna oil or butter), baking(any recipe that requires oil or butter baked under 350 degrees), or make drinks with it(milk for tea, milk alone or use alcohol). You can also make or purchase cream for sore joints and arthritis. And there is also vaporizing it. When you use a vaporizer it heats the weed to the exact temperature needed to release the THC with out coming close burning the leaf itself, just pure THC and a toxic husk to dispose of afterwards, just as safe as cooking, and very pure.
post #37 of 151
I have not and would never smoke weed while nursing, BUT I do not ever smoke, so that probably makes a huge difference. Quite honestly it isnt something I have ever done any research on, so I cannot say right off hand if I would think it was ok or not. My baby sister smoked while pregnant, she had exagerated sickness, nothing the drs did could stop her from puking day in and day out the WHOLE pregnancy, but when she smoked, she felt better... And she continued to smoke while nursing her son( I got her to nurse for 3 months!! yay!!) I didnt agree with her smoking while nursing or pregnant, but again, that may just stem from the fact that I really do not believe in doing marajuana.
post #38 of 151
I posted before reading the other posts, so I also wanted to add after reading, I dont think it is my, or anyones place to judge, really. Honestly, even tho I havent really ever done any studies on it, I have been surrounded by weed my whole life, all my family always has and still does do it, and from what I have seen, smoking cigs are alot words than smoking a joint every now and then... and I can handle a person who is high, I cannot handle a drunk...lol:
post #39 of 151
No, I wouldn't. I am sure it's not the worst, but I wouldn't risk having the kids taken from me.
post #40 of 151
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Originally Posted by frenchie View Post
In the State of CA, you have to sign a consent form to have a drug test. The only thing they test your urine for , at prenatal visits, is glucose and protein.
i didn't sign it at my prenatal visit and they tested me anyways! i came up negative for everything i don't do any drugs not even cafine except occasionally in a piece of chocolate, but i didn't sign it anyways because i don't want them testing me. i suspect no one even looked at the paper

eta
i don't have a problem with people doing mj while pregnant or breast feeding. i think it should be legal everyplace i just personally don't do it as i don't like how it makes me feel. i am extremely sensitive and i love green tea but i also don't drink it because i don't like how it makes me feel.
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