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post #21 of 40
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by sweetbaby3
Aunt Jennifer...How's the baby doing?

Hope all is well and he's off to a good start!
I just have to stop myself from getting too....invested here. It's soooo frustrating.

I called yesterday and the nurses had been giving him bottles...the gf says his blood sugar was low. But she said he was nursing a little bit but only 5 minutes at a time. I got the feeling that she thinks/or is being told this isn't good enough. I encouraged her that all mine did that. She kinda brushed me off but dh talked to BIL. He said that a LC was coming by today. Then he started saying how he wasn't bf and he was healthy and ok and *g* lot's of people turn out fine without bf'ing.: Yeah, well I got beat with 2x4's and I turned out great...doesn't mean it was optimal, lol.

anyway, they can't afford anything I don't know how they think they have the luxury to give bf a try for all of 24 hrs and then walk away committed to formula for a year!? I swear. if people don't want to bf because it's hard or they're lazy, just say it. own up to it for heavens sake. Don't start up with all the lame a$$ excuses to justify it. I've seen too many moms struggle under very real cirmstances to bf successfully...this kinda crap irks me. And believe me, I'm not jumping the gun here. These 2 are complete idiots. For every 1 minute I think they might actually get their crap together, there are painful months/years where it's obvious they are never going to get it together.

I'm just back to being pissed that they brought a child into their screwed up little world and there's nothing we can do to keep irresponsible idiots from reproducing It's not just about bf either...it's the enitre package.
post #22 of 40
I had a c/s and Tracy latched on about 45 minutes after birth. The nurse in the recovery room (nameed Tracy) was joined by my labor nurse (also named Tracy) and they encouraged me to go ahead. So, I did. Amazingly he latched on great....it was the next couple times that he didn't get it. Its like he forgot after that one time!
post #23 of 40
I am so sorry about this. I cant imagine standing by, just watching two people sytematically wreck an innocent baby's life. I have been thinking about your thread, and am keeping my fingers crossed... should they screw up, you would get guardianship!

I hear ya about the breastfeeding. If they dont want to, dont like it, cant stand it, just say it. I dont like excuses either. but we also have to remember that drug addicts, at their core are very selfish. even in recovery, its all about *them*, so to me, not wanting to breast feed fits in with this, after all, breastfeeding your child is a selfless act....you are totally giving of yourself, kwim?

another thing to consider is that formula might not be so bad if she isnt caring very well for herself. I wonder, would her diet, if it was poor and lacking, affect the "quality" of her milk? I mean, if she's smoking cigarettes, eating popcorn and twinkies, formula might be better, kwim?
post #24 of 40
Both my daughter nursed withen an hour after birth. My son however was doped on demoral and ending up not nursing at all.
post #25 of 40
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Originally posted by sweetbaby3

another thing to consider is that formula might not be so bad if she isnt caring very well for herself. I wonder, would her diet, if it was poor and lacking, affect the "quality" of her milk? I mean, if she's smoking cigarettes, eating popcorn and twinkies, formula might be better, kwim?
NAK. breastmilk has been called "the great equalizer" precisely b/c its quality does not vary directly w/ the mother's diet. however, the nutrition has to come from *somewhere*, so the mother's health is compromised to a degree.

sweetbaby3, i *totally* agree with you about the selfish nature of drug addicts. BTDT with my brother.

BTW, DS was born in the water at home and he did not nurse right away. actually, he did not have a lot of interest until the third day. i had a remarkably healthy pregnancy. he is just a very laid-back guy! as i type, he is nursin' 'n nappin'!!


jean
post #26 of 40
Jean...so mothers milk will always be optimum, it just "takes" from the mothers resources? I figured it might work that way, but wasnt sure. Thanks for taking the time to answer me....and not slam me!

Warmly, Lisa
post #27 of 40
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so mothers milk will always be optimum, it just "takes" from the mothers resources?
Can I correct you again?

Breastmilk is never "optimal" formula is inferior, breast milk is just normal.

So yes, a poorly nurished mother's milk is normal (except in cases of extreme malnutrition).
post #28 of 40
I had a hospital birth with an epidural, and DD nursed within 20 minutes or so.
post #29 of 40
Home/water birth with #2, he nursed within 5 minutes for about a half an hour.
post #30 of 40
Mallory, if you felt i was correct:
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So yes, a poorly nurished mother's milk is normal (except in cases of extreme malnutrition).
why correct me?

I meant "optimal" in the best possible way. optimum=ideal, perfect, optimal. the best or most favorable (from my Websters Unabridged Dictionary). So when i said optimal, that mean the best, or better than formula.

Good G*d. :
post #31 of 40
SB3, I'll see if I can add to this. Breastfeeding advocates are trying to get away from the public idea that breastfeeding is "best," and "special."

It is being stressed that breastfeeding is the norm, and artifical baby milk is abnormal and/or hazardous.

So many mothers feel, "well, breastmilk is 'best,' " but then feel like, "well, I don't have the time/energy/patience for it, formula is what most people do, it's 'good enough.' "

ABM is seen as the norm, breastmilk as a bonus, like an extra fancy high chair, or the best preschool in town.

I can see, tho, this wasn't your question at all! You were asking, is breastmilk always perfect nutrition, no matter the nutritional status of the mother? Yes, and even in cases of a slight lessening of quality if the mother is actually starving, of course, ABM still isn't even in the ball park.

Excess caffeine or nicotine intake can get into the milk and cause lower supply and a restless fussy baby, in some, not all cases. My mom smoked a pack a day, and bfed me as an infant, yet was thrilled with what a great sleeper I was. And I was calm when awake too.

MY sister was restless and fussy, but who knows if it was the nicotine? She also got bronchitis every winter from all the cig smoke in the house, but I didn't! Poor little kid.

Lifesabeach--sorry for your anguish over your relatives. so sad. Just to reassure you a bit, I have quite a few in-laws in similar situations, with several kids each. Many of these kids are growing up to be wonderful! Do the best you can to support them.
post #32 of 40
Thread Starter 
thanks everyone!

I understand the breast is norm/not special thing. And I also appreciate SB3's coments and encourgement.

I talked to them this morning and this afternoon and between that time he nursed 25 min on each side. He has bruising on the side of his head from the delivery. He sleeps a lot,(duh). ANyway, I'm very pleased to hear the change in tone today. Relieved actually. I worried about her smoking and extracirricular activites~whether they return or not once she's off probabtion and has to pee in a cup at the drop of a hat..but (long sentence, sorry) I've heard/read that bm can be the saving grace to a babe who is exposed to second hand smoke. Funny how in most circumstances our bm is sufficient regardless of our poor condition. I just think God is a great designer.

We are going up next week and I'm gonna make them a weeks worth of meals and stick them in their freezer. I'm praying that I can keep my unsolicited advice to myself.:
post #33 of 40
I had a completley intervention and medication free labour (not even internals), and it was fairly quick (5 hours of active labour after waters breaking). DD sort of licked and nuzzled fairly quickly, and I tried a number of times more to feed her in the next 24 hours with little success but I can tell you right now that the first time that she WANTED to nurse was 29 hours after the birth. That was the start of 4 months of hell that were all worth it for our now wonderful nursing relationship... I had read that unmedicated babies came out alert and wanting to nurse, she came out, had a quick look around and then wanted to snuggle in and sleep for a day. I found this distressing and confusing at the time because I was so anxious to feed her properly. I will know better if it happens again next time.
post #34 of 40
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I can see, tho, this wasn't your question at all! You were asking, is breastmilk always perfect nutrition, no matter the nutritional status of the mother?
Darylll...thanks so much for answering my question!
Thats really what i was getting at....

Aunt Jennifer....how awesome of you to cook them a weeks worth of meals! Food=love in our house, and this could be a way to open up the floor for questions, so to speak. eating good food, made with love might make your relatives more comfortable, its non confrontational and i bet you she'll love it!

good luck! take pictures!
post #35 of 40
I had no drugs with either of my kids. DD nursed almost as soon as she was out and ds didn't nurse for about 6 hours. He was much bigger and the nurse actually told me that bigger babies are lazier and that is why he wouldn't nurse right away and why he had trouble learning to latch on properly.
post #36 of 40
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Originally posted by Akayasmama
the nurse actually told me that bigger babies are lazier and that is why he wouldn't nurse right away and why he had trouble learning to latch on properly.

!!!! the things nurses say! Not true! Hypotonic babies, floppy "ragdoll" babies, may have more trouble latching b/c of low muscle tone. I once knew a 14 pound newborn, (born vag BTW) who was like this. OTOH, hypertonic, or tense babies, may also be archy and have trouble latching. But to make a generalization about size like that is just irresponsible.
post #37 of 40
b'h

i put dd to my breast as she was born. she didn't really nurse though...but she did nurse pretty soon thereafter
post #38 of 40
I was very fortunate.

My four, born at home, all nursed within minutes of delivery, before the cord was even cut.

I thank G-d for this blessing, and I take the credit where it is due to me also.
post #39 of 40
Dd1 - born in hospital - I tried to nurse her right away but she wasn't too interested. Nurses had to help us a lot to get her to latch on but once she did, she was fine. She nursed a few times in the hospital.

Dd2 - born in freestanding birth center - crawled up and nursed of her own volition I swear a minute after birth.

Dd3 - born Sunday at home We tried at about an hour old but she wasn't interested. Actually did not nurse for about 36 hours. I was starting to worry. Midwife helped us at home visit check up. She has nursed lots of times since then but it is a hassle to get her to latch on each and every time. She is figuring it out but I didn't expect it to be so hard when dd1 went fairly well and dd2 was sooooo easy. I guess it is the individual baby showing through. I thought that just because I knew what I was doing that it would be easy. Wrong...

Kirsten
post #40 of 40
I guess I have lucked out with all of my children being born at home and being hungry and alert enough to latch on and nurse almost immediately.

Obviously reading this thread, there are large ranges for normal babies to decide to nurse.

Everything in its own time.
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