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post #21 of 37
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Originally Posted by Leersia View Post
it is so aggravating when people assume that homeschooling=bubble.
Unfortunatly homeschooling can become a bubble. It is up to us to remember and work to keep it from being one. I went to an extra cirricular science class once a week when I was in HS and often that was the only time I spoke to anyone at all (including family) for weeks at a time. :

To me it is crucial that I remain cognizant of the stigma and the real risk that HS has for isolation and the acompanying problems, so that we can always offer our kids a way to prove the bubble wrong.

Don't get me wrong, we are an Unschooling family and always will be, but I can't just read and not mention that some kids are stuck in the fishbowl... just not ours.
post #22 of 37
ShaggyDaddy, in my family we have to be social on purpose. We're a bunch of introverts!

Oddly, we swing from feeling all alone to feeling overwhelmed with people and stuff to do. There is so much to get involved with in our area that we get in over our heads easily.

Some day we'll find the balance!
post #23 of 37
That pretty much sums it up.
post #24 of 37
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Originally Posted by TortelliniMama View Post
Hey, how'd you do that?
post #25 of 37
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Originally Posted by simple living mama View Post
Hey, how'd you do that?
By living a life of honor and virtue.

Okay, maybe not. If you were typing the exact same thing into your address bar that you had in your previous post, you were leaving out the colon. I just put it back in.
post #26 of 37
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Unfortunatly homeschooling can become a bubble. It is up to us to remember and work to keep it from being one. I went to an extra cirricular science class once a week when I was in HS and often that was the only time I spoke to anyone at all (including family) for weeks at a time.
i don't mean to be insensitive, but that sounds like a family problem, not a homeschooling problem.

you go on to say that homeshoolin has a real risk for isolation.

i disagree.

i've known many people who were quite isolate in schools. never speaking or being spoken to for weeks or more.

nak
post #27 of 37
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Originally Posted by umbrella View Post
i don't mean to be insensitive, but that sounds like a family problem, not a homeschooling problem.

you go on to say that homeshoolin has a real risk for isolation.

i disagree.

i've known many people who were quite isolate in schools. never speaking or being spoken to for weeks or more.

nak

oh believe me, that is definatly the case... my family situation is what made me miserable/isolated in HS and not as miserable/isolated in public school. I was just saying that I have to be careful not to reproduce that scenario in my home, because it was not acceptable to me.
post #28 of 37
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Originally Posted by umbrella View Post
i don't mean to be insensitive, but that sounds like a family problem, not a homeschooling problem.

you go on to say that homeshoolin has a real risk for isolation.

i disagree.

i've known many people who were quite isolate in schools. never speaking or being spoken to for weeks or more.

nak
i totally agree with you umbrella. i also don't see how sd can think there is any kind of risk of that for our kids when i start getting antsy if we haven't been to a playgroup for a few days.

i definately agree that the scenario was related to his family, not homeschooling. his brother was just as isolated in public school.
post #29 of 37
I am not even fully convinced that isolation/introversion is an entirely bad thing. Of course, for a child (or adult) who wanted more social contact, it would be cruel to not provide or allow it. But I think our society puts an awful lot of emphasis on quantity of interactions, rather than quality. One of my kids really has little need of light social exchange. She has a few people she is close with, but prefers to be alone mainly. It is slow, but I am learning to respect her style, and stop trying to get her to join groups, classes, activities. She is thriving in her own way. Maybe she'll become a writer, or a research scientist looking into a microscope, or a seamstress, or who knows what, but in any case, I am sure it will not involve full time social interraction. Why does our culture want to insist that everyone be social as children, even when not everyone needs or uses those skills as adults?
post #30 of 37
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Why does our culture want to insist that everyone be social as children, even when not everyone needs or uses those skills as adults?
I think it's because only extroverts could begin to consider spending their adult days in a school, and far too many extroverts are convinced that introversion is a sign of insecurity and needs "fixing".

Kind of a pet peeve of mine.

ZM
post #31 of 37
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Originally Posted by mamarhu
Why does our culture want to insist that everyone be social as children, even when not everyone needs or uses those skills as adults?
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Originally Posted by zeldamomma View Post
I think it's because... far too many extroverts are convinced that introversion is a sign of insecurity and needs "fixing".

Kind of a pet peeve of mine.

ZM
It is kind of a pet peeve of mine too ZM! And great post mamarhu!
You know, speaking as a extrovert(who is very comfortable in both large and small groups), I always am amazed at the efforts that many people will go to to "draw" a introverted person out of their personal comfort zone. And I now view those efforts as somewhat disrespectful.
It seems to me that a much better use of that energy would be to make sure that the "shy" person feels welcomed to really be themselves, even if that means not participating in many of the activities that I as an extrovert find enjoyable.
(The sound that you may now hear is me climbing down off of my soapbox!)

Take Care,
Erika (I don't wear a fro, I'm just a sister who likes this smilie!) :
post #32 of 37
Nodding along with the above three posts. I am an introvert. While I do really enjoy sitting down with a small group of people -- maybe 1 to 4 others -- and having a good chat or whatever, I wouldn't want to do it all the time, and I definitely need time alone. (Which is why I sacrifice sleep to be up by myself when everyone else is snoozing -- the cat is welcome to join me, though.)

I remember in school wanting to reach out and talk to others, but rarely because I wanted more friends (it was never difficult to reach out and talk to those who became my good friends). Only because I felt like there was something wrong with me if I didn't have as many friends as everyone else (or, really, as the popular crowd), or if I spent a lunch hour by myself reading. My bus ride all through elementary and high school was about an hour each way. Even though I was never too far from the school, I lived in a rural area and was one of the first to be picked up in the morning/last off the bus in the evening. It was great -- so much time to myself. My mom has told the story that when I was young, I told her that I was glad when my seatmate got off the bus. She was worried that there might be some bullying or something going on, and asked why, but I told her because then, it's just me and my imagination. It is so freeing to realize now that I don't have to be constantly chatting/socially engaged with someone to be normal. But, long story short -- some people aren't (and don't want to be) extroverts, and that's OK.

I do think, though, that there is a difference between introvert/extrovert and shy/outgoing. Introverts thrive on/recharge their batteries on alone time; extroverts thrive on time with others. I think you can have shy extroverts and outgoing introverts.
post #33 of 37
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Originally Posted by lilyka View Post
I don't know weather I want to laugh or cry
Me neither.
post #34 of 37
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Originally Posted by Brisen View Post
I do think, though, that there is a difference between introvert/extrovert and shy/outgoing. Introverts thrive on/recharge their batteries on alone time; extroverts thrive on time with others. I think you can have shy extroverts and outgoing introverts.
I agree.
There are times when I can be shy but that is different from being an introvert. As an introvert I get overwhelmed or drained from a lot of socialization. That is different from feeling anxiety or shyness about joining in a group.
Dh is more outgoing than I am. He is an introvert but is not shy.
Dd does better with 1:1 interaction rather than being tossed in a large group. If there are a couple of kids she will play and talk. If she is taken to a group gathering likely she will just wander away happily to the side and do her own thing.
post #35 of 37
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Dd does better with 1:1 interaction rather than being tossed in a large group.
My oldest is the same, although it's more in terms of his behaviour not being conducive to anything getting done than him being distracted... although maybe it is the same kind of problem. He loves talking with people, and gets upset if he feels like he is being slighted by the teacher/adult/leader. Then he "acts up" to bring the focus back on him. I'm torn between being relieved that we can cater to his personality, and worried that we're just not teaching him to "get along."
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post #37 of 37
It made me laugh, but I think it's unfair to regular schoolers.
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