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post #1 of 17
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Hello Everyone!

I'm new to these forums...I'm glad I found yall!

I am currently TTC #1 and I have always planned on having a homebirth. I was wondering about how prenatal care is handled when you deliver at home with a midwife? I know they say that homebirth is ok is you have a "normal" pregnancy. How do you know everything is normal? Well, do you continue to see your Dr. and have the usual sonograms and what not or do you just have visits with your midwife or both?

I am just really confused about how that works. Will most Dr.s support you in your homebirth decision and work in conjuntion with your midwife or are you on your own medically when you choose this option.

Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks so much,
Phoebe
post #2 of 17
I'm probably not the best person to answer your questions, but I'll give it a try.
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how prenatal care is handled when you deliver at home with a midwife?
Every midwife is differant, so it really differs. My midwife likes to mostly talk with me and dh. She also messures, and listens, and feels. She may or may not do an internal exam, depending on what the mother wants.
Delivery will vary greatly depending on mother, baby, and midwife.
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How do you know everything is normal?
Well, that's between you and your midwife. The midwife will certainly let you know if she feels you would be better off in a hospital.

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do you continue to see your Dr. and have the usual sonograms and what not or do you just have visits with your midwife or both?
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Will most Dr.s support you in your homebirth decision and work in conjuntion with your midwife or are you on your own medically when you choose this option.

I, personally, do not see any reason to do this. Women have been giving birth naturally this way forever.
I have known women who have continued to see their Dr./CNM for prenatal care and they ended up in the hospital having very differant, and disapointing expriences. Of course, they are now convinced that they couldn't do it without these amazing Dr.s.

I think of it this way: Dr./CNMs truely believe that the safest, and often the only safe place to have a baby is in a hospital. They are convinced that it is in your, and your baby's best interest to be in there (and not home.) Even though this is not the truth, the wholeheartedly believe it, and will often go to great extreams to keep you "safe."

It is perfectly safe to have your child with a midwife. Midwifes are trained and exprienced, and if something is wrong they are fully capable of fixing, or finding someone who can!

I hope I answered your questions without going off too much
post #3 of 17
ditto the above.

If something comes up during the course of a woman's care, I may contact an MD to consult with, or refer my client to the MD for a review.

Clients have the right to refuse any testing, whether it's labwork or an ultrasound. Nothing is standard really, when it comes to prenatal care - it all varies depending upon the family's desires.

I sometimes run labwork and u/s through their MD, if they are supportive, so that insurance will help with the costs.

Most prenatals include the following: talking about pregnancy and birth related concerns; family and partner relationships; sibling preparation; processing previous births; desires for the upcoming birth; nutrition; how mom feels emotionally, spiritually and physically; measuring the fundus (the uterus); feeling for position of baby; doing the blood pressure; checking the urine (to confirm that kidneys and liver and functioning optimally); and listening to baby's heart beat.

I don't weigh clients because I feel it's unnecessary, but I know alot of midwives that do.

I usually do prenatals in my client's homes. They typically take about an hour, maybe a bit longer.
post #4 of 17
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Home Birth and Prenatal Care

Thanks so much for the reply, Lunar Forest.

You really helped with my questions. I agree that seeing a Dr. as well as the midwife is probably not a good idea. Seeing as how I have never given birth, it is a bit scary...as everyone knows.

I imagine it would be really hard to continue with a homebirth after your Dr. tells you it is not a good idea. I know that in my heart and don't have much trust for Dr.s, especially when it comes to giving drugs, C sections and the like. I want to avoid all that and have a great experience.

You really reassured me when you said that the midwife will let you know if you need to deliver in the hospital. I just wish I could have a garauntee that I could find out BEFORE I go into labor that something is wrong. I'm really afraid of being mid-delivery and have to be rushed to the hospital where the Dr.s will say "who the hell is this lady? We don't know anything about her and she wants us to deliver her baby now?"

Thanks again!
Phoebe
post #5 of 17
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Thanks Pamamidwife!
post #6 of 17
Right now I'm doubled up on prenatal care. I see my midwives monthly, and my Nurse Practioner every 6 weeks. As soon as I get to do the rest of my labs through the nurse practioner I'm going to stop seeing her and just use my midwives. I have to do the glucose test towards the end of this month (ok I don't *have* to, but diabetes runs in my family, and I think its a good idea for me to have the testing done) and I've had urinalysis done every appt because I had blood in my urine. I'll do another urinalysis when I do the glucose test, and if that one comes back clean it will be 3 clean tests, and I'll be comfortable without doing anymore urinalysis through my insurance.

I'm not going to be stuck doubling up appointments when I have to start going bi-monthly, it'd be such a waste of time! Well it is a waste of time to see the Nurse Practioner now, but it keeps my labs covered under insurance...
post #7 of 17
I saw my midwife exclusively for my last pregnancy but went in to the clinic to meet one of the OBs and let him know I was homebirthing and ask him to be my 'backup". I, like you, was concerned with the rushing to the hospital, who the hell are you, kind of scenario. I was very nervous going in but ready for whatever they said. Turns out I got really lucky. He was from Isreal and had recently been working in Denver, so he had a good opinion of homebirth. He was very nice, checked me over (basically just measured my belly and heard the heartbeat) and said he would be there if I needed to go in. The nurse on the other hand
But that;s another story.
I say go and meet with someone if you will feel better about it.
post #8 of 17
In general, I think US culture tends to think of doctors as miracle workers who can solve all problems, and if you see one (for whatever reason) you won't die. Ditto for being in a hospital...as long as you're there, you won't die.

A car crashes, and people inside are gravely injured and they die on site, no one's suprised...but jeez, if they make it to the HOSPITAL with docs, then it can be 'suprising' if they don't make it........I'm just trying to make a point about our culture.

Our culture is very superstitious when it comes to pregnancy...have an ultrasound...that's what will ensure a healthy birth? Be in a hospital? Always, every time, THESE are the things that will make pregnancy and birth safe?

Sometimes, yes, always, no. And it's pondering these bigger ideas that deciding to homebirth is all about.

So, naturally, when a woman contemplates going to a midwife rather than a doctor, she is going to question that decision very carefully.

I guess I might think of seeing a midwife as like being a kid and having parents. When you're sick, as a child, your parents take care of you, help you, and if necessary, have the life experience to know if you need to see the doctor or go to the hosptial.

No one thinks the children of NON doctor parents are doomed to death; if the child's health changes in a way that it is beyond the parent's scope of knowledge, you go see someone who knows better.

The same is true for the homebirth midwife. Like a mom, who's seen a few colds, a homebirth midwife has seen a few pregnant ladies. If she sees something about the pregnant woman that is not 'normal' compared to what she's seen and studied, she'll send that woman off to see someone who knows more.

Phoebe, you say you wish you had a guarantee that you'd know whether or not you'd need to be transferred to the hospital in the middle of labor for an emergency or not...

...I think you can probably get a pretty good guarantee from your midwife. As I have learned more about homebirth and birth, I have learned that there are few 'rush to the hospital' emergencies.

In fact, the most likely 'rush to the hospital' emergency would be post-partum hemmorage, which happens after labor anyway...and only if it takes more than 45 minutes/an hour to get to your nearest hosptial, I wouldn't freak out about it too much.

From the three homebirth midwives DH and I interviewed, in their experiences, the most common reason for a transfer to the hosptial during labor was a tired mom....an excited mom, who once labor started, didn't sleep....was too excited, didn't drink enough fluids, the hours pass, her labor keeps her awake because it's so thrilling, and after a day of this, mom gets tired...and needs to be rehydrated w/ IV fluids...they go to the hosptial, she perks up instantly with that speedy rush of H20 and glucose, pops out her baby, and wishes DANG, I couldda done this at home!

Personally, I think laboring at home w/ midwives is safer than the hosptial. When I think of another 'complication' during labor, a slowing of the fetal heart rate, I would rather that a midwife, with a fetoscope against my belly every 15 minutes discovers it, rather than a faraway L&D nurse at the nurses station who sees the info on the montior.

I too have been seeing a CNM at a clinic in addition to my homebirth midwife. My CNM is supportive of my homebirth choice and is happy she can provide continuity of care should I decide to go to the hosptial. At 36 weeks, I just got my hemoglobin tested there, and I had some inital bloodwork done w/ my CNM at the beginning of my pregnancy.

I have been suprised at the support people have for my choice to birth at home...from my hairdresser to my dentist to my inlaws to this CNM I'm seeing! You may find this to be true for you, too!
post #9 of 17
You've gotten wonderful replies here. We too w/dd, had all our prenatals w/our MW's, save one visit to the back-up dr. They did everything.

I just wanted to add though re: your fear. You can only do so much, hospital or home. (and IMO there are more risks at the hospital.....) There is and always will be an element of unknown w/birth. As they say, birth is as safe as life gets. You can never know exactly how your birth will go.....but at least at home, you can be more secure in knowing you won't get as much added that may make things worse. No one likes the idea of transport, but if you make that decision (to HB), at least you know you gave your baby the best possible situation you could plan for. And your MW *should* accompany you to the hospital, which might alleviate your worries, re: your treatment there. She could be your advocate! Maybe also interesting, would be to try and figure out why you have the fears you do. We all have specific fears that come up, and they can point to an area you need to heal. Just a thought.
post #10 of 17
Well, it depends on your midwife. My CPM generally does all the visits in the comfort of your own home. You never have to go anywhere... I'd answer the door in my p.j.'s and we'd drink tea together!
Your body gives definite signals during prenatal appts. if things aren't going normally. For example, your uterus may measure much bigger or smaller than it should be. Or your blood pressure may be much higher or lower than normal. Or the urine stick test will turn out abnormal. Or the baby's heartrate may not sound too great. If any of these things happen, the midwife will either re-check you a couple of days later, or, if it seems urgent, will tell you to seek out a specialist... ie, obstetrician. There really is no need for invasive tests if everything is going well during the pregnancy. Sonograms are mega-expensive tests that really don't do much of anything in a low-risk pregnancy. I'm surprised insurance companies cover the amount of sonogram testing they do!
Other midwives - esp. CNM's - may do the appts. out of their office, birth center, affiliated hospital, or home. It all depends. Most CPMs (Certified Professional Midwives) and DEM's (Direct Entry) around here do home visits, and the CNMs do office/Birth Center prenatals. The totally legit midwives - CNMs, in Maryland - have back-up ob's and hospitals. They are generally unsupportive of homebirths, though. CPMs and DEMs may have "secret" homebirth supporters... not may ob's are willing to outright support "illegitimate" homebirth practices. I think it's great, though, because then the midwife can solely focus on what is best for mom and baby on a case-by-case basis, as opposed to simply following protocol to keep from losing her privileges or malpractice insurance coverage.
post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thank you, thank you, thank you!

You have all helped me get some things straight. The way things work is much clearer to me now. I'm so glad to know that there is a community like this when the time comes for me to start planning my homebirth...hopefully soon. I will keep lurking around here until then as I am sure I will learn lots of great stuff from you ladies!

Tinyshoes: I see you're in Stillwater...Howdy neighbor! I'm in Minneapolis!

indigolilybear: Interesting thought about understanding my fears and such. I don't know where that came from...never had any bad experience with Drs. Its a mistrust issue. All the power and money involved makes the whole thing seem sketchy. I'll think more deeply about it now that you mentioned it!

You gals are great! Thanks for the feedback!

Phoebe
post #12 of 17
Hi Phoebe...I'm a recent immigrant to Stillwater FROM Minneapolis, ha ha ha.

You might enjoy checking out what the Childbirth Collective has to offer...I think you'd like this group!
post #13 of 17
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Thanks for the link, tinyshoes!
post #14 of 17
My DEM left it up to me whether or not to also see an OB. She suggested that I go to one appointment so that they had a file on me in the event that I needed a transfer. Also, dh and I have the rh factor issue so we needed to have an OB for my MW to take the cord blood to for testing after the birth. So I went to one appointment at 25 weeks. I wish I could have avoided it. He was very negative about HB, made a big stink about me refusing invasive testing, and made me feel guilty about being vegan (because according to him ALL pg women NEED meat). I left feeling very angry. Also despite all of his poo-pooing about refusing tests he never felt the baby. I might be wrong, but it seems that would be the most important "test" to do. That experience made me realize that I am getting a much better deal having my home prenatals done by my MW. She actually talks to me, does appropriate non-invasive testing, and does not have to continually look at my chart to remember my name. If you have no complications, I would skip the OB prenatals completely.

Yooper
post #15 of 17
Just wanted to add my experience:

We're planning a homebirth in November. We're working with a group of doctors who specialize in homebirth. I go to their office for regular prenatal appts, and then they come to my house for the birth and postnatals.

Like you, I have some fear about an emergency transfer in the middle of labor, but our doctors' experience this is very rare. Usually transfers happen weeks or days before the birth, when some problem has been detected at a prenatal. The doctors will go with us to the hospital, and be our attendants, unless we are premature. In that case there will be a perinatalogist, who we wouldn't know anyway, even if we were planning a hospital birth.

I might take a tour of the hospital, in case we end up going there. I'm not sure yet.

Have fun and good luck with your plans!
post #16 of 17
Transports usually occur about 10% of the time with first-time moms, and usually as a result of maternal exhaustion.

If your midwife has a hospital or doctor she likes to use, then it would be nice to meet them. However, that's not to say that if you arrived at a hospital without meeting a particular physician that you'd be treated any worse or better than having had prenatal contact.
post #17 of 17
Where I live there are no homebirthing CNM's So I found a great lay midwife. I was uncomfortable having her provide ALL my prenatal care as I wanted 1 ultrasound and had a few"what's going on" moments. AFter much thought and discussion here, I did not tell the OB practices CNM I as seeing that I was planning a homebirth. I told her a lot that I was uncomfortable with the hospital (1 hospital town) and she teased me saying she didn't think I was going to show up. I even told her I WANTED a HB. In the end I'm glad I practiced "parallel care" although at times it was stressful. My lay midwife was awesome but very very natural and my CNMwas very much a "medwife" I was hospitalized at 40 weeks with signs of a stroke and my lay midwfecame and stayed with me at the hospital!! I was fine and did end up with a beautiful HB. I was 2 weeks "late" and was getting lost of different info from the 2 of them--I followed my laymidwifes lead and avoided a hospital induction. IN the end I called the CNM after the birth and she was glad I got the birth I wanted but said I was "superwoman" and lucky nothing happened. I find this odd coming from a midwife (?) I would do it this was again. I'm naking if this is choppy
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