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post #41 of 53
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Originally Posted by Codi's Mama View Post
I had an epi without consent also. I didn't even realize what she was doing until I felt the cutting. I never should have signed the general consent form at the hospital. It lead to a lot of procedures done without asking me first.
After I received the bill for the "surgery" I realized why sOB's do them. $3000 for a quick cut and 20 minutes of stitching.


OMG! I had one but had no bill like that! (mine was consented because the baby's head was stuck half way out for 30 minutes and her hr was dropping. The midwife gave me an opportunity to try harder, which I did and it didn't do anything)
post #42 of 53
What makes you think that any woman in her right mind would consent to a ritual genital mutilation as a routine episiotomy? Doctors do it because they think they know better than G-d or think they are G-d.
post #43 of 53
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Originally Posted by turtlewomyn View Post
I mean really, if someone tried to come up to you on the street with a scissors and tried to cut you that would be attempted assault, what makes it ok when they have that MD after their name?
A doctor is different.

He is acting within the standard of care, and if you think you do not know what that is, try suing him. The entire Medical Society in your state will line up to testify that he was acting within the standard of care, that is, if the district attorney did not laugh you out of his office in the first place.
post #44 of 53
I was given an episiotomy without my consent. Actually I was screaming "Noooooooo!" and so was my DH. My DH was actually crying while he was saying no.
post #45 of 53
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Okay, I think that about covers it.


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Originally Posted by gcgirl View Post
Oh, I know she can't, but what she CAN do is be on alert and able to notice things that are going on that I might not be aware of myself while I'm distracted with pain and visualizations and such. She can keep an eye on things.
At my recent doula training with P. Simkin, she told us a story where she had a client who had explicitly stated to her OB that she did not want to be cut. Penny saw the doctor reaching for the scissors and quietly told the client, "He's picking up the scissors", and the OB quickly put them down and said "No I'm not". This woman avoided the episiotomy.

Reading this thread has put me on a soapbox for the rest of the night. DH and I are going on a date - I am sure he's going to be thrilled with my ranting dinner conversation...
post #46 of 53
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Wow! How utterly horrifying that so many of us have had this experience. I am so sad for those of you that weren't able to avoid it. I can't get over how lucky it was that I had my eyes open and just happened to focus on the OB at that moment. For much of the pushing phase, my eyes were either closed or I was looking into DH's eyes.

What's sticking with me now is the thought of the excruciating pain I would have felt had she cut me. I had no pain meds whatsoever and she hadn't done a local on me before picking up the scissors.

Honestly, I can't believe it's legal for them to cut you without consent. It shouldn't be. It's been very interesting to read everyone's comments. Even though this was my 2nd hospital birth, I had no idea this sort of thing could happen. What an eye opener. And not in a good way!
post #47 of 53
We were VERY clear with the doc and the nursing staff for my last birth and they flat out LIED through their teeth. We feel they stole the baby from us and left him laying under a warmer in the nursery while my husband was allowed only to hold his hand. The baby screamed and screamed and there was NO medical reason for him to be taken from us. We told them we wanted him to stay and they bold faced told us that was okay on several ocassions. When they took him, they said they were going to weigh him and bring him back. Again, a lie.

Also, I told the doc NO episiotomy and he was SUCH a jerk. You could tell he was so mad. I believe he maliciously stretched me so hard and fast that he gave me tears all over and I was in excruciating pain for weeks.

Even a CNM I trusted gave me an episiotomy without asking during my delivery of my second. I only pushed SEVEN times. I think I could have given birth without one just fine.

I am having a homebirth this time. For obvius reasons!
post #48 of 53
WOW. I really wonder now if I had one and just didn't know it. I transferred to the hospital from a birth center (had a ridiculous experience with birth center, long story) and ended up on my back with epidural, baby crowning over and over again but not popping out, and OB finally using forceps b/c, she said, he was stuck under my pubic bone. Is episiotomy required with forceps? She just 'shoehorned' him out, but I was torn almost to the anus. My memory is '60 stitches.' I couldn't sit down for almost a month. No one mentioned episiotomy, but?

Wow, I never even thought about this before.

I cannot believe this happens. For god's sake, wasn't there this major research study done several YEARS ago that showed episiotomies only make tears worse and don't help births?? AAARRGGH! It was in the New York Times Science Times section.
post #49 of 53
Episiotomy case settled in court: http://tinyurl.com/2l5k5n

Not quite the same as this, but interesting..
post #50 of 53
Boy am I ever glad to have a laid back Doc with DS1. He was stretching me as I was crowning and he says" your getting a little tight I am just going to make a little cut." I yelled "NO, I'd rather tear." He put down the scissors and I barely tore at all. I didn't even need a single stitch. If he had cut I would have needed at least a few. I am glad for myself that he wasn't egotistical enough to go against my wishes. He made no fuss about it and when he was checking me for tears after the birth he just says " Hun. No need for stitches." I think he was glad I made his job easier.
post #51 of 53
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Originally Posted by GinaRae View Post
Episiotomy case settled in court: http://tinyurl.com/2l5k5n

Not quite the same as this, but interesting..
Good for her! Too bad the case got settled though. We need more of those cases in court.
post #52 of 53
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Originally Posted by MyBoysBlue View Post
Boy am I ever glad to have a laid back Doc with DS1. He was stretching me as I was crowning and he says" your getting a little tight I am just going to make a little cut." I yelled "NO, I'd rather tear." He put down the scissors and I barely tore at all. I didn't even need a single stitch. If he had cut I would have needed at least a few. I am glad for myself that he wasn't egotistical enough to go against my wishes. He made no fuss about it and when he was checking me for tears after the birth he just says " Hun. No need for stitches." I think he was glad I made his job easier.
It's good that you didn't get the episiotomy, but it still bothers me that he thought "Oh, looks like she MIGHT tear, better cut her!" It's just not a logical train of the thought!
post #53 of 53
This brings back HORRIBLE memories of my ds birth. It makes me sick to my stomach when I remember the OB telling me she had to cut me and screaming "NOOO" at the top of my lungs and her doing it anyway. I still feel so violated and I never confronted either. Just switched to Midwives.

to all mamas who have to deal with this
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