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post #1 of 4
Thread Starter 
Here's some background on our situation:

Immediately after birth (induction with anesthesia) DS had to spend about 8 hours in the NICU because of mild respiratory distress. After he got out of the NICU the first time, he immediately had to return because of two episodes where he spit-up and turned blue after nursing. For the two days he was in the NICU we went down every couple of hours to attempt nursing but he was so sleepy, as soon as he latched on he immediately fell asleep. At this point, because he was having trouble latching, one of the nurses gave me a nipple shield to help him latch and we supplemented through the shield with formula. After he got out of the NICU the second time he had to spend all of his time in the regular nursery under the double-bank lights because he was extremely jaundiced. They brought him back for feedings every 3 hours, but for the first 3 days of my son's life I essentially wasn't ever with him.

To make matters worse, I had severe PIH and PCOS and the nurses failed to tell me that I needed to pump until 2 days postpartum. When the LC finally met with me (the hospital doesn't have a LC on the weekends...) 3 days PP my milk had "come in" but there was hardly any. I never had that initial engorgement that everyone talks about. She started me pumping every 2-3 hours with a hospital-grade pump. Initially I didn't get more than 5 ccs a sessions. After a day or so, it increased to 15 ccs. And after a couple of weeks of exclusively pumping I was averaging around 1 1/2 oz each session during the day, and somewhere between 2-4 oz in the mornings. I tried fenugreek and it did seem to help somewhat...but not a ton.

Through all of the pumping, I attempted to get DS to latch, but he was so used to having the food poured in his mouth, he'd get EXTREMELY frustrated and just scream and scream when I tried to get him to nurse. I was going to give up on everything at one point, and started let my milk dry up. I attempted to get DS to latch one more time and by some miracle he did! At that point though, my supply was extremely low. It's been a lot of work, but he now nurses around the clock...mainly for comfort, but I feel like he has to be getting some nourishment. He's almost 2 1/2 months old and he's been taking less and less of his bottle over the last couple of weeks...but I know that I'm nowhere near providing him what he needs.

After doing some research, I'm concerned that I may have hypoplastic breasts. I have a few of the physical characteristics...large areolas and pendulous breasts...plus, I never had that initial engorgement, never feel a letdown, etc... My already large breasts did get quite a bit larger during pregnancy (I also had veining, areolar changes, etc...) and I started producing a good deal of colostrum at around 12 weeks. I had my OB check out my breasts, and she said that everything seems anatomically correct. When I feel the tissue in my breast I feel like I have a good deal of it, but I don't know if it's "enough."

Here are my questions:

- Can women with hypoplastic breasts still have some engorgement and leak? Around 2 weeks PP I did have some engorgement if I didn't pump for several hours and I would leak a decent amount.

- Does every woman feel a let down? I know I have a letdown when he nurses because I notice when he starts swallowing ever 1-3 sucks.

- Is the baby supposed to swallow every 1-3 sucks for the entire feeding? DS only does this for the first 3-5 minutes.

- Is there any chance that I'll be able to have a full supply for this baby or is it too late? I absolutely hate having to feed him formula. I've been trying to nurse him very frequently and then offer him the bottle to finish the feeding. He used to eat a 5 oz bottle almost every feeding when I didn't nurse him beforehand, but now he'll only drink about 3 oz with nursing. His diaper output is still good...but I haven't really been checking his weight.

I guess I'm just mainly concerned with the possibility of having hypoplastic breasts...even though my OB said that everything looks "OK." I know it's more common in women with PCOS.

Any suggestions, advice or answers to my questions would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks so much!
post #2 of 4

toss the bottles babe needs more boob time

I would nix the bottles since he latches and is removing milk from your breast. You need to stimulate your breasts more so that your supply increases, that is the truth no matter if you have hypoplastic breasts or not. Try this technique it is simple and cheap, especially works well for a babe that has a good latch on a mom that has a low supply. When you watch the video listen to the doctors advice closely he has alot of good things to say.
The video came from this page, and their are alot more really good BFing videos to look through.

Just to answer your question about is it too late to increase supply, I would say no but the longer you wait the harder it will be. I EPump and i had to supplement until my DD was 4 mths old since i could never make enough, our reasons for not having our babe at our breast during the first few days are different but I also did not start pumping until she was 3 days pp and it really KILLED my supply. At 4mths pp I went crazy pumping, like more than 4-5hrs a day with really hard compressions, my nipps were raw and I was in constant pain but after about 1-2 weeks of that my supply was more than enough to feed her and freeze some! So if it can be done on a pump than it surly can be done directly by the babe if you give him a chance to be at the breast constantly. : Then once your supply is up you can enjoy a more normal BFing relationship.

HUGS
post #3 of 4
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the input! I think you're right about the bottles, but it's just so hard now that we're already in that routine, you know? But it's worth it if it might help my supply.

I just keep wondering if my supply problems are because of our rough start or because I might have hypoplastic breasts. I'm thinking that I'm probably going to contact my LC again and see if she can give me some input because my OB basically brushed me off about the whole thing.

I could just totally kick myself for letting my supply get so low there after about 6 weeks...
post #4 of 4
First, mama, no kicking yourself. Give yourself a hug! You are working so hard to give your baby the best and you should be proud of your efforts no matter what happens.

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- Can women with hypoplastic breasts still have some engorgement and leak? Around 2 weeks PP I did have some engorgement if I didn't pump for several hours and I would leak a decent amount.
Yes, I think you can be engorged occasionally.

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- Does every woman feel a let down? I know I have a letdown when he nurses because I notice when he starts swallowing ever 1-3 sucks.
No, they don't.
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- Is the baby supposed to swallow every 1-3 sucks for the entire feeding? DS only does this for the first 3-5 minutes.
I think it varies some, and that is ok. But when babies are getting good milk, they take the long, drawing types of sucks... vs. the short fast sucks. You can tell a lot by watching that. Also on Jack Newman's site which the PP linked, there is a video showing the wave in the babies chin which shows when the baby is swallowing. BUT even that, IMO, is subject to interpretation. The best way to tell how much your baby is getting is by doing test weights. Is it possible for you to get a hold of a scale that is accurate to tenths of an ounce? I know the LC here rents them for about $50 a month.

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- Is there any chance that I'll be able to have a full supply for this baby or is it too late? I absolutely hate having to feed him formula. I've been trying to nurse him very frequently and then offer him the bottle to finish the feeding. He used to eat a 5 oz bottle almost every feeding when I didn't nurse him beforehand, but now he'll only drink about 3 oz with nursing. His diaper output is still good...but I haven't really been checking his weight.
YES there is a chance, but I disagree with the PP that the baby will be enough. I think you will need to pump also. Because when a baby is latched on and NOT getting much milk, they don't suck as hard... and those long hard sucks are really what you need to stimulate your breasts more. Just look at all the mamas here who post about babies who are attached 24/7 and their supplies are still low! (That was my experience too.) A lact-aid or SNS can help with that, and it was how I first saw the difference, honestly. There is a big difference in my baby's behavior when she's getting milk via the lact-aid, and when I am not using the lact-aid.

I have heard of lots of women finally getting a full supply down the road, and hey...some women relactate. Just recently a 60+ year old woman relactated to give her son breast milk, he had some kind of disease. But if relactation is possible, surely a full supply is possible! I'm getting ready to try a pumping marathon too, it's interesting that the PP said it took her two weeks... that is so grueling. I am going to try.

You may want to consider joining MOBI, Mothers Overcoming Breastfeeding Issues.. http://www.mobimotherhood.org. It's a great resource.
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