What happens if you don't circumsize? - Page 3

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

It is great to have this forum. I will be forever thankful to the posters here that saved my son from forced retraction.

[~MoonGypsy~]

Originally Posted by Ron_Low

That's nothing. My wife went into surgery to repair a severed tendon in her THUMB, and came out with a recommendation to have her breasts examined because the surgeon thought he noticed something unusual in the pre-surgical tactile exam he administered while she was UNDER.

Sorry, OT but - OMG, that just blew my mind! I think I would have sued.

[fishface]

I think that is where people get the idea that being intact means more infections...it is only true b/c years ago those intact boys were being retracted and washed underneath and that can cause infections.

ITA. My friend got on me after finding out I am a proud intactivist. She said her BF is whole (GOOD FOR HIM!), regrets it, and will get circed in the future (UGH) because he had lots of problems as a kid. I was unclear if he still has problems. I told her politely but matter-of-factly that it was probably due to poor medical advice to his parents by the doctor(s) when he was born on how to care for an intact penis.

[MommaLauraRN]

Leaving my sons intact has been great...when I was a postpartum nurse I hated doing circ care...I was so sad for those babes...my SIL circ'd her son (much to my dismay but that's another story) and she mentioned something when he was around one about having to clean around his scar at bathtime because "stuff would build up" there...she said it's commmon in circumcised babies...I'm thinking that maybe because the trend is now for looser circs? :dunno My boys just get a simple wipe on the outside of their penises...it takes more work to wash their ears and toes than their penises!

[Daisyuk]

When is that ridiculous myth going to give way to common sense and observation?

When's it going to occur to people that a circ'd penis is MUCH more effort to keep clean than a whole one?

[buckeyedoc]

I think the myth just got going because parents in the past were told to force the foreskin back and clean under it, which was likely a pain for baby and mom and a lot of work. Proper care is so simple!

[DavinaT]

I askd my beloved what happens if you don't circ a baby boy - to which he replied - Umm, after about 18 years he grows into an uncirc'ed man!
Circs her are extremely rare and only ever done for what is termed to be medical reasons.
Our medical establishment is by no means rare - not by a long shot.
But for any doctor or nurse to forcibly retract any male genetalia without express conselt, be he 6 days or 60's years, concious under under aneasthetic is regarded as sexual assault.

Ditto for what happend to Row Low's wife. In fact, in cases like that which occured her, the 'doctors' in question found themselves subject to legal action, sued, struck off and one faced a jail sentence.

It is oen thing is a woman is so disturbed by an examination of thsi nature that she needs sedation (as can happen with vistims of serious sexual asaualt) but a totally different matter if they are performed without consent or knowledge.

[dnr3301]

Originally Posted by gridley13

I have found my daughter much harder to keep clean than my intact son. He is SUPER easy to keep clean! Just wash on the outside and for now, that is it.

I've found the same thing.

[lisavasmom]

I'm so glad this came up. When we decided not to circ our ds, I found it funny that no one told us how to take care of it. I just left it alone by instinct, and I'm glad now that I did!
My dh is circ. and his first concern when I brought up the idea of not circ. was that our son may have problems with women not 'liking a uncirc. penis' or not being like other boys. I don't think he'll experience any problems like that at all. My only concern has been the studies about AIDS transmission, and I'm still reading up on that.

[kxsiven]

Originally Posted by lisavasmom

My only concern has been the studies about AIDS transmission, and I'm still reading up on that.

No worries. Here in Scandinavia everyone is intact and we have no morals - yet our STD&HIV rates are very very low compared to circumcising USA.

[Daisyuk]

Just remember, circumcised men have to wear condoms too.

That's VERY important. Being circumcised does NOT give you the same level protection as a condom against any infection, including HIV - even the researchers on those ridiculous HIV studies concede that (ignore that stupid man Halperin, he's crazy, it's neither a vaccine nor better than a condom, really, he'd say anything).

SO

If, to be safe, your son has to wear a condom anyway, why remove his foreskin and take away a valuable piece of sexual tissue for absolutely nothing?

In fact I think it's the opposite problem, men who are circumcised frequently have issues with wearing condoms because of sensitivity (or lack of) issues, if they have the added incentive not to wear them because they think the circ is protecting them, how dangerous is that?

[Quindin]

Originally Posted by lisavasmom

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My dh is circ. and his first concern when I brought up the idea of not circ. was that our son may have problems with women not 'liking a uncirc. penis'

You DS could always move to Europe...
If not, there is always South America, Australia, Japan... most women in the world would not have any problem at all with him. If he prefers an American girl, she will be happy he is NOT circ once she feels how much better it is for her!

[cottonwood]

It's just so nuts. When my baby girls pooped they'd get it everywhere, what a job to clean out their labia, and they didn't appreciate it either. So I guess I should have cut them off to make the job easier?

My boys, on the other hand, were relatively easy to clean. They rarely take baths. They do *NOT* clean under their foreskins. (They're not retracting fully yet.) They're fine. I imagine when they get older they will simply do what the girls and I do -- wash the outside with soap occasionally, and rinse the inside with water (not the vagina, you understand, but the vulva.) For the most part, IMO, genitals should not be cleaned anyway. The body has a self-cleaning system, and unless there's reason (sand, or sticky sex, or whatever) to clean up a bit, it's better off left alone.

[lisavasmom]

Originally Posted by kxsiven

No worries. Here in Scandinavia everyone is intact and we have no morals - yet our STD&HIV rates are very very low compared to circumcising USA.

Yes, and your country is much smarter on most EVERYTHING to do with having a family. More progressive in every way. If it was easy to move, I'd consider it! But that's another post subject....

[contactmaya]

keeping it clean

Hi everyone, ive really enjoyed reading these posts. i feel even better now about not circ'ing my 21m old, not only because i find it cruel (on a non consenting) infant, but for many other reasons.

I am now consolled to think that the whole diaper issue is so much easier because he is intact.
HOWEVER...sometimes i am not sure what is going on with his penis, because i have never had one, so....just dont quite know what is normal.

he spends alot of time diaper free-some of this time, he plays with himself, and then gets an erection, and then starts crying.

i could never figure out what what going on, and then realised that it must have been stretchign his forskin.

The other day, for the first time, he pulled his forskin all the way down, and the tip of his penis was red.

I wasnt sure if this was normal or not. In any case, he seems fine.

How do you know if he has aninfection or not, or whether things are normal or not?

Any tips?
Maya

[contactmaya]

keeping kosher and circumcision

Hi, its me again. Someone posted saying they kept kosher, yet kept their baby intact. i am Jewish, but still chose not to circumcise. is anyone else out there jewish but chose not to circumcise?
Maya

[Microsoap]

Originally Posted by contactmaya

Hi, its me again. Someone posted saying they kept kosher, yet kept their baby intact. i am Jewish, but still chose not to circumcise. is anyone else out there jewish but chose not to circumcise?
Maya

http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/

The documentary "Whose Body, Whose Rights?" has a segment on Jewish families chosing not to circumcise.

[Nathan1097]

Originally Posted by contactmaya

Hi, its me again. Someone posted saying they kept kosher, yet kept their baby intact. i am Jewish, but still chose not to circumcise. is anyone else out there jewish but chose not to circumcise?
Maya

*About The 8th Day - The 8th Day is the journey of two Jewish couples who lost countless nights of sleep trying to make this decision. Neither is sure they did the right thing.
THE 8TH DAY * TITLE: The 8TH DAY* YEAR: 2001* DIR/PROD: Keren Markuze* COUNTRY: USA* LANGUAGE: English* TIME: unknown* SOURCE: go to AboutThe8thDay.com* Keren Markuze 323-791-5465. $30*

[Ron_Low]

Originally Posted by Nathan1097

*About The 8th Day - The 8th Day is the journey of two Jewish couples who lost countless nights of sleep trying to make this decision. Neither is sure they did the right thing.
THE 8TH DAY * TITLE: The 8TH DAY* YEAR: 2001* DIR/PROD: Keren Markuze* COUNTRY: USA* LANGUAGE: English* TIME: unknown* SOURCE: go to AboutThe8thDay.com* Keren Markuze 323-791-5465. $30*

There's also the beautiful documentary film "Cut" which is debuting at various festivals this year.

View the trailer:
http://tinyurl.com/2qvuup

Stay on top of scheduled screenings:
http://www.cutthefilm.com/

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by DavinaT

I askd my beloved what happens if you don't circ a baby boy - to which he replied - Umm, after about 18 years he grows into an uncirc'ed man!
Circs her are extremely rare and only ever done for what is termed to be medical reasons.
Our medical establishment is by no means rare - not by a long shot.
But for any doctor or nurse to forcibly retract any male genetalia without express conselt, be he 6 days or 60's years, concious under under aneasthetic is regarded as sexual assault.

Ditto for what happend to Row Low's wife. In fact, in cases like that which occured her, the 'doctors' in question found themselves subject to legal action, sued, struck off and one faced a jail sentence.

It is oen thing is a woman is so disturbed by an examination of thsi nature that she needs sedation (as can happen with vistims of serious sexual asaualt) but a totally different matter if they are performed without consent or knowledge.

I love that idea. I totally agree it is assault and wish we would treat it that way here in the USA!

Originally Posted by contactmaya

Hi, its me again. Someone posted saying they kept kosher, yet kept their baby intact. i am Jewish, but still chose not to circumcise. is anyone else out there jewish but chose not to circumcise?
Maya

I am Jewish and have not circed my two youngest boys (I did circ my first son with deep regret) but I don't keep 100% kosher either so there you go.