I would like to hear from those of you who were in favor of the war...

[Marg of Arabia]

I would love to say "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" but, that would be wrong.

But, seriously, aren't you angry for being lied to by your president and his "people"???? I know I would be. I mean to risk our very young sons and daughters for a lie!!!! I am one very angry American woman!!!! And our innocent and brave military men and women are still risking their lives every single day~!!! It doesn't make the headlines much anymore but they are miserable. And should have never had to be in this situation.


I believe Bush's handling of this war on Iraq has been directly responsible for increased terrorist activities worldwide, increased violence between Palestine and Israel, hatred against the U.S.A being at an all time high, loss of jobs, crumbling economy, environmental disasters, and so on.........


Here is a good link to a story:


http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid...administration

QUOTE:
"Turner's broadside adds the retired admiral's name to a list of former intelligence professionals concerned that the CIA and its intelligence reports were manipulated to justify the war. Since Baghdad fell April 9, U.S. forces have been unable to find chemical and biological weapons the White House said were in Iraq"

[frogertgrl]

Gawd, haven't we heard enough from those supporting the invasion?

I mean, they have Iran to look forward to next. What more could A Charge To Keep kinda person need?

Please. I can find the pro-invasion, pro-murder, 'they are better off now', 'we liberated the people' rhetoric with both eyes closed.

The truth isn't heard enough for me.

[Marg of Arabia]

Yes, BUT I really am wondering how they could justify this?? The pro-war folks here at MDC are actually pretty cool. I guess I am hoping for an admission of mistakenly being taken in by Bush & Co. Maybe they have even lost faith in their republican leardership????? Perhaps a light bulb went on and they have "seen the light!"

I guess I may be expecting too much!!!:

marg

[frogertgrl]

Sorry, I forgot about 'hope'. It's all so deflating for me these days.

Yes, maybe there are those who see the truth but before were blind.

Thanks for that reminder.

Based on my small sample (family, neighborhood), they all believe Dubya and would be ripe for supporting the invasion of Iran. More flags than ever and lots of 'we had to show the world we won't tolerate terrorism!'

[frogertgrl]

Well, NM, you never came to my mind when I wrote my response to Marg's call for those supporting the war.

You are as free to post here as any of us. Your choice. But don't assume I'm talking about you because unless I say I am, I'm not.

[Marlena]

Originally posted by Nursing Mother
Well if you consider my posts are about the only ones supporting this, I guess I've made quite a negative impression and you're pretty fed up hearing my POV.

So I'll refrain from this topic.

(and its not because I have nothing to say about it)

SOME of us are interested in hearing your point of view (and appreciate your persistence in this forum, however much we might frequently disagree with your perspectives )!

I guess _my_ question to you, NM, and to anyone else who supported the war, is whether you are upset that the Bush administration apparently lied (or, if one wishes to be charitable, took prodigious liberties with the truth) in order to justify a preemptive war? I can imagine being upset about this even if one still believes that unseating Saddam Hussein by force was justified for other reasons.

[Marg of Arabia]

Hi! N.M>!! Yes, you were one of the "pretty cool" posters I was referring to!! I just want to know,

Are there any regrets???

Will you have a harder time being convinced that a country does have WMDs without strong proof??


Have you been at all disillusioned??

Hope you will write more, Anna....

marg

[Deirdre]

This may be T but I read a letter to the editor in today's paper regarding the fact that many reservists are still in Iraq while active duty folks have been sent home. I don't know much about this but she seemed quite ticked that they were using reservists to maintain the occupation.

Also, is it just me or does it seem like a few more US soldiers are killed everyday in Iraq? How long will the US public accept this? Or do they care?

Anyway, I am not holding my breath for a "you were right" on MDC but I must say the Letters to the Editor in my NJ paper sure sway in the direction of people quite annoyed with the situation. I would say 4 letters irrate at the Bush admin. to one letter in support.

~Deirdre

[Hilary Briss]

I think it's only a matter of time before we start seeing lawsuits brought against the government by the families of maimed or killed servicemen, for prosecuting an illegal, and unnecessary war. Wouldn't it be ironic to see Jessica Lynch testifying against the president that destroyed her life???

[Delilah]

I was against the war, but have a comment.

many reservists are still in Iraq while active duty folks have been sent home

This went on in the first Gulf War also. Many families of reservists were upset about staying in Kuwait and Iraq and Saudi Arabia while the "regulars" were sent home. BTW, one of the regulars that came home was my brother, who had already stayed well past his contract to go to Iraq. I think it all depends, and I suspect it isn't "fair".

I don't think we should allow this president to take us into another war before this issue about intelligence and WMD is settled.

Furthermore, I don't think we should allow another such invasion unless the press ban at Dover AFB is lifted. Our slain troops deserve to be given respect by any US citizen watching tv, standing at attention, at that time. This is not to exploit the families, but for US citizens to "see" that there is price that is being paid in blood.

This White House has effectively white-washed these losses, IMO, just like the press has ignored the deaths and suffering of thousands of Iraqis.

[oncewerewise]

I think many people are seriously delusioned about the war. I read (and if I remember where, I will post, I think it was the Toronto Star) that over half of the US residents polled believed that WMDs were actually found in Iraq and that about 1/3 of those polled believed that Iraq used chemical and/or biological weapons against the US/British coalition.


THAT really frightens me.

[Delta]

1 - We are not going to 'invade' Iran. Please. My prayers (and the president's I am sure) are with those protesting Iranian student in hopes they find the strength and numbers to overthrow that government themselves. If it takes covert help by us, that's fine with me. But, no good would come from a military invasion.

2 - I see no evidence that the administration 'lied' just because nothing has been found yet. And, many others had access to the same classified info, including Dems in Congress, and concluded the same thing, that SH needed to go. What really scares me is that the WMD are already in the hands of potential terrorists.

3 - I will never say we were wrong for taking Saddam out of power. Egads no.

[Marg of Arabia]

You are a brave woman Delta!

See, N.M.? There are others out there!!

Delta, just as you have said that you have had no evidence that we have been lied to, I felt the same way about there not being enough evidence of Iraq threatening my country with WMDs to justify starting a war against them.

Just has you have said that you are happy to have Saddam out of power, I am worried about who will rule next and the current state of affairs in Iraq and Afghanistan. America just can't go around knocking down regimes and leaving a mess.


Instigating a war against another country is serious business. If you believe that it is O.K. to start a war with another country without the support of NATO because it's leader has started wars and committed vile acts against his own people and is basically sub-human, that is where we differ. Before a first strike I believe there must be clear and present danger. It is that simple.

Thanks for "coming out" here.....

marg

[Hilary Briss]

T Marg, your PM box is full... and please check your e-mail.

[kama'aina mama]

A lot of people in the service were puzzled and annoyed by the decisions that put many reservists out in the field while leaving active duty members stateside. I have not heard any official explaination for that policy.

[K&JsMaMa]

I think it's very important to President Bush that some form of WMD are discovered. I support our President and I supported the invasion of Iraq.

BUT....... I think that there needs to be some proof that there were WMD. So far, nada. That we know about. Were they moved to Syria? Was our intellegence bad? (no pun intended)

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

PS, NM You are not alone!!!! You are my hero here at MDC

[Devi]

Originally posted by Delta
I see no evidence that the administration 'lied' just because nothing has been found yet. And, many others had access to the same classified info, including Dems in Congress, and concluded the same thing, that SH needed to go. What really scares me is that the WMD are already in the hands of potential terrorists.

Delta thanks for posting

However the statement above is not accurate. The Dems saw no 'evidence' they were given a presentation, much like the one given to the UN. They were told Saddam posed a threat to the United States. And, perhaps feeling vulnerable after 911 the Dems 'bit'. They, like the American public 'trusted' the Bush administration.

Interesting to note that now Republicans in congress refuse to support legislation (HR 260) that would actually allow the Dems and others to see the so called evidence against Saddam Hussein. Why?? If Bush is on the up and up, they should have nothing to fear.

Peruse the threads, you'll find lots of information about former CIA officals saying Bush and co. lied...

[Joyce in the mts.]

Tell this woman that it's okay that her husband gave his life...for a lie. She deserves better than the struggle ahead. I wonder if Bush did his duty and hugged her to make it ok?

http://shelbynews.com/Main.asp?Secti...rticleID=24008

[Lucky Charm]

I will never say we were wrong for taking Saddam out of power. Egads no.

ITA.

[1jooj]

This may be but I read a letter to the editor in today's paper regarding the fact that many reservists are still in Iraq while active duty folks have been sent home. I don't know much about this but she seemed quite ticked that they were using reservists to maintain the occupation.

Got to get the active duty men and women ready for the next place. Like it or not.

I find it interesting that the woman in charge of handling the press for the defense (cannot remember the position--sorry) has also resigned, citing the desire "to spend more time with her family." I know it's been said that people resign from administrations all the time, and this is nothing new, but this seems serial to me, and the use of an identical "stock" answer seems suspect to me.