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post #101 of 900
When we were Marine Corp all you had to do was show license and registration at the gate and tell them where you were going (sometimes had to sign a booklet) and they let you in. It's been a few yrs since then and things may have changed, but it shouldn't have changed too much.
post #102 of 900
Yeah, I don't think that works anymore.

Minot mamas, I want to discuss the aerial mosquito spray that will be going on July 17-20. They are dumping 60 gallons of Trumpet EC (a naled insecticide) on Minot and the AFB. I have been looking this insecticide up and am going to take my baby out of the area to Bismark for a few days.
From what I am reading it is most toxic when inhaled, it has unknown effects on fetal development and CA won't use it b/c they deem it a carcinogen. I'll include a couple of links for you all to look at. Personally, my son and I have multiple chemical sensitivities and I don't want him in the area for a long time after they have sprayed. This is enough to make me want to move again : . I know the stuff will settle on everything and won't get washed away (to where is another concern) for a while. I am trying to find out what CA uses since they have not used Trumpet EC so that I have alternatives to discuss with the city manager,etc.

Product "safety" info
http://www.amvac-chemical.com/media/...T_EC_283_7.pdf

product summary from an objective source
http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_...p?Rec_Id=PC127

Info about a different/similar Naled containing pesticide
http://www.pesticide.org/naled.pdf

what to do if you have a reaction or get sprayed
http://www.pesticide.org/sprayed.pdf

Inhalation risks
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pic...3&blobtype=pdf
http://www.springerlink.com/content/w8r83v26727g2313/

EPA general info
http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/health...uito_faq.htm#2

Toxicity categories: I believe Trumpet is a II for humans
http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/health/tox_categories.htm
post #103 of 900
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What time in the evening do you become available ndakkitten? Other people too?
M-F I am available after 6 p.m. unless I have my other daycare kid who stays till 11 p.m. But he's 9 so he's no problem to take out and about. This coming week my DH will be home quite a bit (and not on call for once), but we will be busy packing.

We have decided to sell our house and probably move back to Canada. DH has a possible job offer up there and we'd be close to his parents (who could help out with the kids). If we do leave Bismarck, we'll be sad to go because we do like it here so much.
post #104 of 900
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Hatteras Gal, oh yeah he was in a mood. Bad day for him. Maybe we can meet at the community center next week and I can check it out? I'd like to have our other Minot mama on base for a visit with her boy sometime. Do you know how I get her through the gates?
You can meet her at the visitor's center and go in with her- she'll need her driver's license, registration, insurance if she's driving on base. You'll have to show your ID and they'll give her a pass for however long she'll be on base.

Tuesday or Thursday afternoon would work well for meeting you at the community center. But I'll be on base every day this week, so we can pick another if one of those won't work.
post #105 of 900
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When we were Marine Corp all you had to do was show license and registration at the gate and tell them where you were going (sometimes had to sign a booklet) and they let you in. It's been a few yrs since then and things may have changed, but it shouldn't have changed too much.
You need a valid military ID to get through the gate. If you don't have it, someone that does has to vouch the person on.
post #106 of 900
Ok, we're all set for our July meetings. For those able to make it
July 7th- 11:30-2:00? Bismarck, ND Pot luck lunch
2930 Cody Dr The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
We'll have a fully equipped kitchen and meeting room available.
I'll be there at 11 to set up and don't have a specific time when I will be leaving (pretty much when the last person is out the door).
July 14th- 11:30-2:00? Fargo, ND Pot luck lunch
2502 17th Ave S The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Same set up and I'll arrive at 11:00 to open up. Let me know if anyone needs directions and I can tell you how to get to either place. Anyone able/willing to help out would be appreciated for both dates. Hope to see you there!
post #107 of 900
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Ok, we're all set for our July meetings. For those able to make it
July 7th- 11:30-2:00? Bismarck, ND Pot luck lunch
2930 Cody Dr The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
We'll have a fully equipped kitchen and meeting room available.
I'll be there at 11 to set up and don't have a specific time when I will be leaving (pretty much when the last person is out the door).
July 14th- 11:30-2:00? Fargo, ND Pot luck lunch
2502 17th Ave S The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Same set up and I'll arrive at 11:00 to open up. Let me know if anyone needs directions and I can tell you how to get to either place. Anyone able/willing to help out would be appreciated for both dates. Hope to see you there!
Great. That's funny, my gramma keeps telling me to find LDS churches in ND in case of an emergency. My whole extended family is LDS.
post #108 of 900
It's amazing how much we have in common. Too bad we don't live closer together.
post #109 of 900
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It's amazing how much we have in common. Too bad we don't live closer together.
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post #110 of 900
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Originally Posted by Hatteras Gal View Post
Tuesday or Thursday afternoon would work well for meeting you at the community center. But I'll be on base every day this week, so we can pick another if one of those won't work.
Hey, sorry I didn't reply before now. DH spilled soda in the keyboard and we had to buy another one. I can't actually do this week now. I am working on this pesticide issue and will be making phone calls, doing more research and hopefully contacting some gov't officials to find alternatives. I am quite surprised that no one really seems to care about any of this. But anyway, I'll let you know when we get moved into our house so you and the girls can come over for a visit
post #111 of 900
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Hey, sorry I didn't reply before now. DH spilled soda in the keyboard and we had to buy another one. I can't actually do this week now. I am working on this pesticide issue and will be making phone calls, doing more research and hopefully contacting some gov't officials to find alternatives. I am quite surprised that no one really seems to care about any of this. But anyway, I'll let you know when we get moved into our house so you and the girls can come over for a visit
Sounds good.

You will probably meet a lot of resistance with the pesticide issue. I don't remember them spraying last year- the mosquitos were not bad at all. I do remember one year, maybe when dd1 was a baby, and I stayed in the house with all the windows closed for the next couple days.
post #112 of 900
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Sounds good.

You will probably meet a lot of resistance with the pesticide issue. I don't remember them spraying last year- the mosquitos were not bad at all. I do remember one year, maybe when dd1 was a baby, and I stayed in the house with all the windows closed for the next couple days.
Oh yeah. I figured that out. It is a very ineffective, dangerous way to handle the mosquito issue. I'll do my own research on it I guess so that I can keep my family as safe as possible. It's like the vax issue, if people don't care I'm not gonna push. I will help find an alternative to propose to city council. I don't think my family should be subjected to those chemicals because the officials here are too lazy to do a little reading. Ugh: Well, we'll be out of state for a while then. I hope we can get together soon.
post #113 of 900
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Oh yeah. I figured that out. It is a very ineffective, dangerous way to handle the mosquito issue. I'll do my own research on it I guess so that I can keep my family as safe as possible. It's like the vax issue, if people don't care I'm not gonna push. I will help find an alternative to propose to city council. I don't think my family should be subjected to those chemicals because the officials here are too lazy to do a little reading. Ugh: Well, we'll be out of state for a while then. I hope we can get together soon.
They are going to do whatever costs them the least amount of money. But I think it's great that you are going to present them with an alternative, especially to the city council. I'm reading through your links and I am appalled that they are going to be spraying that stuff- probably with no information to the public about what it is, etc, at all.
post #114 of 900
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They are going to do whatever costs them the least amount of money. But I think it's great that you are going to present them with an alternative, especially to the city council. I'm reading through your links and I am appalled that they are going to be spraying that stuff- probably with no information to the public about what it is, etc, at all.
No, absolutely no info for the public. Even worse is the fact that aerial sprays are deemed, by the CDC, to be the least effective measures of pest control. Not only does it cause resistance to build in the mosquito population, it kills the organisms/animals that normally eat the mosquitoes so the problem will be worse next year and if the weather doesn't permit them to spray they will have wasted almost 10,000 tax payer dollars. I'm seriously not impressed. If I were pregnant I would be very : , and having a young baby, I am still : I guess it's an excuse for a nice emergency vacation though. Oh, and the DDVP ingredient in the Trumpet EC is probably one of the most carcinogenic/toxic in the mix. Guess what, the 78% of Trumpet that is Naled breaks down rapidly into DDVP. I guess that is how they get away with selling the stuff when they know of the very dangerous effects of the DDVP portion. Must think people are morons.
post #115 of 900
Does anyone happen to know what they use to spray for mosquitoes in Fargo/Moorhead? I just read in the paper today that whatever it is, they say is nontoxic to humans and pets, but they recommend staying inside during spraying and for at least 45 minutes after. I wonder why they would even say that if it is so nontoxic. They also mentioned that it is toxic to bees! Great! That's all we need. Anyway, I commend you for doing so much research and speaking out about this. At the very least, the public should be made aware of what is being used and the details about the chemicals. The apathy, when it comes to issues like this is astounding.
post #116 of 900
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No, absolutely no info for the public. Even worse is the fact that aerial sprays are deemed, by the CDC, to be the least effective measures of pest control. Not only does it cause resistance to build in the mosquito population, it kills the organisms/animals that normally eat the mosquitoes so the problem will be worse next year and if the weather doesn't permit them to spray they will have wasted almost 10,000 tax payer dollars. I'm seriously not impressed. If I were pregnant I would be very : , and having a young baby, I am still : I guess it's an excuse for a nice emergency vacation though. Oh, and the DDVP ingredient in the Trumpet EC is probably one of the most carcinogenic/toxic in the mix. Guess what, the 78% of Trumpet that is Naled breaks down rapidly into DDVP. I guess that is how they get away with selling the stuff when they know of the very dangerous effects of the DDVP portion. Must think people are morons.
I think you should write a letter to the editor.
post #117 of 900
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Does anyone happen to know what they use to spray for mosquitoes in Fargo/Moorhead? I just read in the paper today that whatever it is, they say is nontoxic to humans and pets, but they recommend staying inside during spraying and for at least 45 minutes after. I wonder why they would even say that if it is so nontoxic. They also mentioned that it is toxic to bees! Great! That's all we need. Anyway, I commend you for doing so much research and speaking out about this. At the very least, the public should be made aware of what is being used and the details about the chemicals. The apathy, when it comes to issues like this is astounding.
It is probably the same chemical if an AF unit is spraying it. You should call your local Environmental gov't official to find out what it is. They will all tell you that these chemicals are all safe to humans, as the director of primary care in our hospital did. I would ask them the name of the chemical and how many times they hav sprayed it--that's it. However, if it is toxic to fish, birds and wildlife it is toxic to humans. I would leave the area for about a week if you can swing it. It'll still be in all the local food etc since the spraying instructions specifically say not to avoid dairy farms,etc and it leaches into groundwater. I found out that the stuff they are spraying here is fed to farm animals all the time and is sprayed on crops like grapes. Makes you think twice about not buying organic, huh. Anyway, if any of you want more links I have tons.
post #118 of 900
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It is probably the same chemical if an AF unit is spraying it. You should call your local Environmental gov't official to find out what it is. They will all tell you that these chemicals are all safe to humans, as the director of primary care in our hospital did. I would ask them the name of the chemical and how many times they hav sprayed it--that's it. However, if it is toxic to fish, birds and wildlife it is toxic to humans. I would leave the area for about a week if you can swing it. It'll still be in all the local food etc since the spraying instructions specifically say not to avoid dairy farms,etc and it leaches into groundwater. I found out that the stuff they are spraying here is fed to farm animals all the time and is sprayed on crops like grapes. Makes you think twice about not buying organic, huh. Anyway, if any of you want more links I have tons.
I would appreciate some of those links. I'm going to have to do some research. It makes me wonder about our garden:. They are doing an areal spray in Cass county tonight. I'm in Clay county, but I'm sure the wind carries it over.
post #119 of 900
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I would appreciate some of those links. I'm going to have to do some research. It makes me wonder about our garden:. They are doing an areal spray in Cass county tonight. I'm in Clay county, but I'm sure the wind carries it over.
The wind can carry the spray quite far, up to half a mile is documented but I'm sure perhaps it is more. Here are some of the links:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...medid=12460795
http://www.ehponline.org/members/200...5887.html#disc
http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/air_gen.pdf
http://www.amvac-chemical.com/media/...T_EC_283_7.pdf
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pic...3&blobtype=pdf
http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_...p?Rec_Id=PC127
http://www.springerlink.com/content/w8r83v26727g2313/
http://www.panna.org/
http://extoxnet.orst.edu/tibs/ghindex.html
http://www.caymannetnews.com/Archive...ns%20Over.html
http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-pr...nce_id=62-73-7
http://extoxnet.orst.edu/pips/dichlorv.htm
http://www.pesticidewatch.org/overkill.pdf
http://cmsadmin.mercola.com/2002/may...son_profit.htm
http://www.nyhealth.gov/nysdoh/westn...3/c3summry.htm

Basically, look for toxicology info on Naled and DDVP. I was mad just after searching AMVAC's safety fact sheet. And remember your sources, everything that has minimized the toxicity of the products has been governmental or has some other reason for taking such a stance. I'm reading CA's "Overkill" right now to see if they propose alternatives and will be trying to find out what CA uses. You may also look for the half lives of each of these chemicals and their effects on plants. I think the chemicals are professed to be safe for plants, but I believe that for about 2 seconds. If you find other links please share. I'm still looking for info.
post #120 of 900
I called Cass County Vector Control this afternoon and they told me that the chemical they use for areal sprays is Perm-X 30 30. The MSDS is HERE
if anyone is interested. I actually went out and covered my garden beds with a few tarps as best I could. I figured it couldn't hurt. Thanks for the links... this is so depressing. :
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