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post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by Clarinet View Post
I agree with Thismama and Shadowmom. I think facts are very helpful in changing someone's mind but realistically, how many babies do you know that died as a direct result of formula feeding? Me, none. When I hear "formula kills babies," my gut reaction is to roll my eyes and move on. But when I hear formula fed babies are 5 times more likely to die than breastfed babies, I can evaluate for myself the reasons why babies in general may die (ailments undiagnosed, SIDS, contagious illness and lack of immunity, etc.) and then break it down into two categories - 16.67% breastfed and 83.33% formula fed. That I can appreciate rather than the general "deadly formula" statement.
I agree with your statement. When you look at that statistic, 83% formula fed and 16% breastfed, it makes sense that more FF babies would die than BF just because there are more FF babies. Is the 5x figure actually statistically significant? (i.e. p<0.05)

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Originally Posted by Ruthe View Post
Advantages. When we talk about the advantages of breastfeeding--the "lower rates" of cancer, the "reduced risk" of allergies, the "enhanced" bonding, the "stronger" immune system--we reinforce bottlefeeding yet again as the accepted, acceptable norm.

Health comparisons use a biological, not cultural, norm, whether the deviation is harmful or helpful. Smokers have higher rates of illness; increasing prenatal folic acid may reduce fetal defects. Because breastfeeding is the biological norm, breastfed babies are not "healthier;" artificially-fed babies are ill more often and more seriously. Breastfed babies do not "smell better;" artificial feeding results in an abnormal and unpleasant odor that reflects problems in an infant's gut. We cannot expect to create a breastfeeding culture if we do not insist on a breastfeeding model of health in both our language and our literature..."
That's true if you're talking to a group in general or in general promoting breastfeeding. If I'm talking to my SIL and trying to convince her to BF instead of FF, then my positive bfing statements are more likely to make an impact than any negative ffing statement I could make. I guess it's more about knowing your audience than anything.
post #22 of 26
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Originally Posted by ShadowMom View Post
Well, in that situation I would probably just say that the infant death rate is twice as high for babies who were exclusively formula fed (or whatever the accurate statistic is).
The accurate statistic is a 27% higher death rate. For every 100 bf babies that die, 127 ff babies die. That's 27 babies that would have lived had they been bf.

I like someone else's idea of asking Why or Why do you feel that way or Why do you think that when discussing bf/ff. She says she asks about 5 times, and that usually gets to the heart of it.

Adding: Thanks, Ruthe. I added the link to my sig.
post #23 of 26
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Originally Posted by songbh View Post
Probably one of my "harsh beliefs" is that the medical profession sabotages or neglects breastfeeding at just about every conceivable opportunity.

Said the wrong way, this belief can make a mother feel attacked or criticized for trusting her doctor, or for following the advice of nurses after a hospital birth.

Phrased the right way and AT THE RIGHT TIME, this perspective can encourage a mother to educate herself and be an informed consumer of healthcare.
I'd love to hear some concrete examples of ways this could be phrased that don't trigger the listener to feel attacked.

One that's coming to mind is something like "did you know the average pediatrician has had little to no training about breastfeeding?"
post #24 of 26
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Originally Posted by mama-a-llama View Post
I'd love to hear some concrete examples of ways this could be phrased that don't trigger the listener to feel attacked.

One that's coming to mind is something like "did you know the average pediatrician has had little to no training about breastfeeding?"
I think phrases that don't sound too scientific (e.g. "average pediatrician") might be more effective. I would just say, "Most doctors aren't experts on breastfeeding. A lot of times, their advice is out of date. Check with an LC instead."
post #25 of 26
i have a girlfriend who attended at BF support group when her ds was under 6 months (can't remember exact age..maybe 2- 3 months) and mentioned to the person facilitating that she had used formula a few times (for her own reasons i can't speak for her on why she chose to) and the person facilitating told her that because of her formula use, her child might "die"...
this did nothing to make her want to look into why that might be true, it didn't do ANYTHING positive for the cause...all it did was make her pissed off and think that the woman was a wack job. she never attended a meeting again.
if the woman had used different words, and approached my friend in a different way, my friend may have been open to hearing her opinion on the use of formula and its negatives. but because of the woman's choice, she drove away someone from her group.
luckily, my friend is an extremely intelligent woman and a very hands on mom, and decided (again for her own reasons which i can't speak for her) to stop her use of formula. but what if she hadn't?
anyway, i just think that your choice in words and how you approach someone when you discuss this sort of thing is very important... this is a very personal issue, because we are talking about peoples kids. people get really defensive...you want to broach the subject in a way that makes them want to listen to you, not get angry or think you are an extremist.
we do this with our kids all the time when we want them to do something, you use certain words and certain voice tones and phrasing to make someone comfortable when you want to get your point across. nobody likes to be told what to do. nobody likes to be told that they are wrong.
post #26 of 26
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Originally Posted by mama-a-llama View Post
I'd love to hear some concrete examples of ways this could be phrased that don't trigger the listener to feel attacked.
A couple very simple and very generally-applicable techniques for building rapport when discussing information that might be new to a mother:

1) Reflect back what she has already said, so that she knows you really did hear her.

2) Affirm and praise whatever positives you can find in her situation and choices. Do this first and last, so that the stuff that is potentially more difficult is cushioned on either side and the harsh idea is neither her first nor last impression of you.

3) Offer information, don't give advice. Instead of saying, "You should do X, because of A!" -- try saying, "A lot of mothers have found A to be true/There is good evidence that A is often true; have you considered doing X?"


An example conversation, pulled right out of my half-dead but still creative brain:

Mother of a 7do newborn: My baby had some formula supplements in the hospital; the nurses said my milk wouldn't come in for three whole days and he was starving, so I fed him with a bottle a couple times. Now he's often fussy when he nurses. I must not have enough milk for him.

Me (reflecting): You and the nurses felt he was getting too hungry, so you gave him some formula. Now you're worried that he's not getting enough milk when he nurses.

Mother: Yes. I know the breastfeeding books and stuff say to avoid early supplements, but the nurses said he might lose more weight if we didn't feed him. It was so scary to hear that -- I want to breastfeed, but I can't let my baby starve!

Me (reflecting, affirming): The nurses told you that he needed the formula. It must have been upsetting to hear that about his weight loss. Of course you want to make sure your baby has enough food to eat -- you're a good mother!

Mother: And I guess they were right about my milk being slow or not making enough milk, because we're having all these problems now. If he were getting enough milk, he'd be calm and just nurse, right?

Me (offering new information): Well, if they told you he needed formula because your milk wouldn't come in for three days, they may have jumped the gun a bit. Some hospitals don't do a very good job in training their postpartum nurses in breastfeeding. It's normal for a new mother's milk to take three to five days to increase in quantity -- that first milk you were making, the colostrum, is usually enough for a newborn's tiny stomach. (me, affirming) ... but, it was only natural for you to trust what they told you -- we are really dependent on our care providers to provide good information, aren't we? (me, praising) ... and, like I said, a good mother feeds her baby. You were also so wise to reach out now for some extra help with breastfeeding.

(Then I would switch to the fussy-while-nursing issue, and walk her through information about diaper counts being the only reliable way to know whether a baby is getting enough milk, and that the fussy-while-nursing behavior might be due to nipple/flow preference, or overactive letdown, or any number of other factors and that unless his diaper count is below the minimum, baby is getting plenty of her wonderful milk in his sweet tummy -- and throughout, I would repeat these reflecting and affirming dialogue techniques and offer information, not advice.)

So much of breastfeeding support is about building up a mother's confidence in herself as a mother. This is what I love about LLL's philosophy and approach. LLL believes that every mother is the expert on her own child and her own breastfeeding relationship. It's "Better mothering THROUGH breastfeeding" -- it's not "More breastfeeding, no matter how terrible it makes a mother feel about herself!"

Now, this is just one possible scenario, and it assumes a mother is still breastfeeding and has more immediate concerns than the sabotage by medical personnel. Sometimes I am conversing with a mother who is mourning the loss of her breastfeeding relationship (sometimes it was YEARS ago and she is still grieving.) If her story involves medical sabotage which she doesn't recognize as such, then (in between reflecting, affirming, praising, etc.) I might slip in some information like, "Your doctor may not have understood the way his advice might impact your breastfeeding relationship. It's really very common for doctors to learn almost nothing about breastfeeding in medical school, and of course the formula companies target them with a lot of samples and literature, too." And I would affirm with some statement like, "Misinformation from someone you trust, like your doctor, can really derail things! I think it's really hard to breastfeed if you don't have accurate information and the right kinds of support from everyone involved."
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