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post #1 of 9
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Well, I am here. I have read several GD and PD books and tried to implement them. I don't have the patients for my son right now. Someone help me!!

My son will be three in July. He's mean, disobeident, defiant, militious, crazy, and sad. My DS's behavior has been spinnig out of control lately. He doesn't like any idea of sharing unless he wants too. If we have visitors over or if I am babysitting there's lots of yelling, hitting, pushing, and crying. All from him, he just cannot stand some other child being in his space. If we go to friends and at his baby sitters home he is fine. I have asked two babysitters, how he does when he is at their kids and they say he is well behaved with vrey few problems. Infact today, his babysitter (i babysit her son) told me that she never sees him act the way was acting at my house.
I feel like he's constantly in time out, and I am always frustrated with him. I have resulted in yelling, his dad is to the point that he feels like spanking him. I can barely stand to be around him when he behaves the way he does sometimes. I cannot stand the constant whining when things don't go exacty the way he wants. There is no discussing how he feels, because he doesn't know how he feels, his feelings just come out in a violent, unpleasant way.

Then there's the whole, pushing smaller kids. He is notorious for intentionally knocking down chidern that are smaller than him. I have seen him zero in on a small child and charge at them. WHY!!!! Someone tell me why, because he says he doesn't know why. Yesterday I watched my DS punch an 18 month old in the face. He was sitting beside her in the car, and just ocudln't help himself, he hit her. I had the driver of the car pull over and I took him out of the car. I had a little talk with him behind the car, holding every ounce of anger back. I was so close to hitting his hands it wasn't funny. He didn't hit her again, but why would he think its okay.

Finally, there is the plain, not doing what his dad and I ask. For example, there is a rule, that when his dad or/and I are laying on the bed there is NO JUMPING. He doesn't get this. Laying down on the bed is torture session, with our DS as the tormentor, until I or his dad gets up. Then our DS throws a tantrum, yelling sometimes results.

I sometimes wonder if its because I just don't give him an enough attention. But how much attention can an almost 3 year old. Why does he crave so much negative attention. I seek out ways to give him positive attention, but he does an equal amount of negative atttention seeking. My DF has eluded that babysitting other childern, really upsets him, and now that he's older he realizes that he isn't he only person on Earth and he's really not taking it so well. So he's seeking attention in any form he can get.

Thoughts or insight into what maybe going on wiht my DS. I really want to help him.
post #2 of 9
Sorry you're having a hard time. I am struggling with my ds right now. He's 3.5 and is constantly pushing, hitting, shouting in people's faces, throwing shoes (yesterday he threw his shoes at me while I was driving). I understand some of what's going on but not other parts of it. This is how far I've got, maybe some of these things will apply to you:

(1) He is not good at empathy. I am confident he will eventually get this more, but right now he is different from a lot of his friends in this respect. He just is not able to put himself in someone else's shoes.

(2) He is almost ready to give up his nap but not quite, and his sleep is often messed up as a result. When he is short on sleep he is hyper and aggressive.

(3) He craves some very intense physical interactions. His pushing, hitting etc. is often obviously not malicious -- he is not TRYING to upset people, though if he gets some extra attention for it then so much the better. But he just seems to have a hard time regulating himself in that way. He is also extremely extroverted so he is always looking for personal interaction of any kind.

(4) I have a hard time accepting (1) and (3) since I am completely unlike this. As a result, I often don't respond in the best ways. When he hurts me, my natural response is to tell him about how I feel in the hope that this will produce a caring response. It won't, and then I feel worse and there has been no response to his behaviour that is meaningful to him.

I find that remembering these things about his development and my responses helps me to keep a better perspective on his behaviour.

What I am working on now is coming up with logical consequences and using these in conjunction with explanations about people's feelings. When he hurts people, the consequence is generally that he needs to go to a quiet space to calm down, away from the person he hurt and can come back when he's able to be gentle.

My hope is that by having consistent consequences that are applied immediately ALONGSIDE the explanations, he will first learn to be able to control his behaviour and gradually as he learns to empathise he will understand the by-then oft-repeated reasons behind it.

Logical consequences don't always sit right with me, but things have been really difficult around here so this is the plan I am trying to implement. I think the empathy problem is a huge one, since it seems a lot of GD at this age kind of depends on it.

Anyway, that's where I am at. I'm watching out for other responses.....
post #3 of 9
Thread Starter 
Now you have me thinking. Maybe my DS needs more physical interaction, not so much attention, but just to be touched. I have always considered putting him in some sort of martial arts class from an early age. I wonder if he can get his aggressions out in a positive enviroment like that, if it will curb the pushing and what not.

As for empathy. Why didn't I think of that. I don't even think a kid my DS's age has the ability to empathetic or they are just learning.

I am starting today on the workbook "without spanking or spoiling".

Also, I am going to be getting rid of all our artificle foods, because I think some of his problems are linked to that.

Denise
post #4 of 9
Foods could be a big part. They are in our family.

Can you work on trying to be allies instead of adversaries? Really try to connect with him at his level (if he's interested in playing legos or whatever)?

It sounds like you are both really, really frustrated. And it sounds like he's kind of playing it out on other kids and you.

Could you stop punishing him with time-outs for a week and instead try to find out what the underlying issues are? Or just coach him briefly? Or even ignore the negative behavior? And just focus purely on the positive and building some more attachment?

I will say that 3 can be very, very tough for many!

Hang in there!!
post #5 of 9
I feel for you mama, it sounds like you're going through a really rough time with your ds.

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Originally Posted by cutekid View Post
My son will be three in July. He's mean, disobeident, defiant, militious, crazy, and sad. My DS's behavior has been spinnig out of control lately. He doesn't like any idea of sharing unless he wants too. If we have visitors over or if I am babysitting there's lots of yelling, hitting, pushing, and crying. All from him, he just cannot stand some other child being in his space. If we go to friends and at his baby sitters home he is fine. I have asked two babysitters, how he does when he is at their kids and they say he is well behaved with vrey few problems. Infact today, his babysitter (i babysit her son) told me that she never sees him act the way was acting at my house.
Since you said your son only acts up around you, and not at his babysitters, it seems like maybe you guessed right when you said he's wanting more attention from you. Asking a 3-year old to share his mommy with other children who are being babysat is a lot to ask, maybe not of all 3-year olds, but of some 3-year olds who need more attention. Your son seems to be really upset by the idea of you caring for other kids besides him.

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I feel like he's constantly in time out, and I am always frustrated with him.
My feeling on this is that if your son is feeling insecure about your love for him (because of all the other kids around), and he what he wants is more love and attention from you, giving him time outs may not be the best idea. He already feels like he is not close enough to you. Giving him a time out will make him feel even lonelier and more distant from you. He will feel like you don't want him around at all, maybe he will feel that you don't even like him. Which is likely to make his behaviour worse.

Is it possible to find some ways to guide his behaviour using love and physical affection? It sounds like he is really craving those things.

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I have resulted in yelling, his dad is to the point that he feels like spanking him. I can barely stand to be around him when he behaves the way he does sometimes. I cannot stand the constant whining when things don't go exacty the way he wants. There is no discussing how he feels, because he doesn't know how he feels, his feelings just come out in a violent, unpleasant way.
It's not possible for a 3 year old to adequately express their complex feelings to an adult. Rather than asking him how he feels, try just letting him know that you care how he feels. When he is having a tantrum, get down on his level, make eye contact, and show him that you understand he's having a hard time right then. That you are there for him until he feels better. There's a sticky at the top of the GD forum about dealing with tantrums that you might find helpful.

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I sometimes wonder if its because I just don't give him an enough attention. But how much attention can an almost 3 year old. Why does he crave so much negative attention. I seek out ways to give him positive attention, but he does an equal amount of negative atttention seeking. My DF has eluded that babysitting other childern, really upsets him, and now that he's older he realizes that he isn't he only person on Earth and he's really not taking it so well. So he's seeking attention in any form he can get.
I agree with your friend.

I'm sorry I don't have any concrete advice on what you should do, but I think that if you try to keep in mind that what your son really wants is love and attention from you, maybe things will be easier.
post #6 of 9
mavery, at age 3.5, your son should not be fully developed with respect to empathy. You can help train him by building scenarios for him. If he takes another kid's toy, you stop the action and say, "What would you do if Jimmy took your toy?" He may not even be able to tell you how he would feel, but you can get him on the road to putting himself in someone else's shoes by asking him about action.

However, I think from what you describe that when your kid is "constantly" hitting, kicking, grabbing, whatever, that he's not in control. At the point where he's doing that, you can't have an empathy discussion with him.

I have one kid who was quite a challenge, behaviorally, and he didn't seem very empathetic, either. I definitely think the explanation stuff is lost on them when they are out of control. For us, putting the child in his room to calm down by himself, was the answer. After about 2 weeks of consistently removing him from the situation, he cut down his fits enormously.

If that doesn't work, you should talk to your pediatrician.

Good luck!
post #7 of 9
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Originally Posted by cutekid View Post
My son will be three in July. He's mean, disobeident, defiant, militious, crazy, and sad. My DS's behavior has been spinnig out of control lately. He doesn't like any idea of sharing unless he wants too.
That sounds perfectly normal and age appropriate to me. I have a friend with a son a little older than ds (ds is almost 3), and we have playdates. The kids don't have to share their toys because, well, they are THEIR toys. I encourage ds to share, and even go so far as to tell him that I think he should share, and talk about how his friend feels and if there are any other toys to offer, etc. It's never forced. My ds (who had major trouble sharing the first few times) is getting much better at sharing.

The hitting other kids, however, is NOT ok. It sounds like there are underlying issues behind the hitting that need to be addressed for the hitting to go away.

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If we go to friends and at his baby sitters home he is fine. I have asked two babysitters, how he does when he is at their kids and they say he is well behaved with vrey few problems. Infact today, his babysitter (i babysit her son) told me that she never sees him act the way was acting at my house.
That reminds me a lot of the "baby self" that Anthony Wolf talks about in Secret of Parenting. It made me realize that just because ds "acted out" more with me, that it didn't have to do with my parenting. It just had to do with the fact that he was most comfortable with me.

SOP is, imo, a great book to read if you (general you) are having a tough time with gd. It's on the stricter side of gd, but there are still no punishments, threats, bribes, etc.

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I feel like he's constantly in time out, and I am always frustrated with him.
I totally agree with a pp on this- time outs are likely making things worse, and not better.
post #8 of 9
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mavery, at age 3.5, your son should not be fully developed with respect to empathy.
No, I realise that. But he is noticeably behind many of his preschool classmates (and this is something I have discussed with his teacher, who agrees). Like, someone does something to ds that he doesn't like, we encourage him to tell the other person it felt bad and please don't do it. Then ds immediately does it to someone else and is genuinely surprised when they make a fuss. It's probably not out of the range of normal, but maybe more striking in my ds because he is extremely verbal and a bit precocious in other ways.

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You can help train him by building scenarios for him. If he takes another kid's toy, you stop the action and say, "What would you do if Jimmy took your toy?" He may not even be able to tell you how he would feel, but you can get him on the road to putting himself in someone else's shoes by asking him about action.
We do do this. He is perfectly able to come up with descriptions of how he would feel. It just doesn't extend to other people yet.

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However, I think from what you describe that when your kid is "constantly" hitting, kicking, grabbing, whatever, that he's not in control.
Thats part of what I was trying to get at. A lot of the time it's not that he's angry or worked up (though of course sometimes he is, and this is different). He just does this stuff - it reminds me of kids with sensory integration problems seeking particular types of stimulation.

We'll see how taking him to his room to calm down works after a few days....
post #9 of 9
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Update

Thanks ladies,
I think a lot of our prolems comes from my own perception of my DS. So I have to work on that. I know that he's a nice sweet child, but sometimes its easy to focus on the negative.

Yesterday I spent time taking a step back when my DS was "misbehaving." And tried to give him an alternative behavior. This morning rather than yelling at him, because his crying was going on and on. I gave him time to calm down, while still being firm that he'd nursed enough. (my nipples were hurting, so that was enough) After 10 minutes of cuddles and helping me with coffee, he calmed down and thanked me for the milk and banana I had offered.

Denise
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