Harry Potter Spoiler - Page 3

[mamapixie]

I remember reading an article with Richard Harris, and he almost didn't do the movies, his grand-daughter talked him into it. In retrospect, he kinda gave one last gift to his granddaughter, KWIM?

Mugglnet has a picture of the actor who is now playing Dumbledore.

[I Believe in Fairies]

David Thewlis website - http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9633/

[hydrangea]

I can’t believe how fast some of you finished. I finished yesterday (Monday). I couldn’t take more time for reading because my girls needed a lot of my attention this weekend, and I am not at my best when I’ve stayed up all night reading. Believe me it was hard to put down the book when I had to though.

I’m really glad it wasn’t Hagrid who died. I had no idea how much I loved him until he wasn’t there in the beginning of the book. Hogwarts isn’t the same, comforting place without Hagrid. I did cry a little about Sirius, but I would have been bawling had it been Hagrid.

I think Harry did face the fact of how Snape might have felt by James’s behavior at the end, when the feast is about to begin and he runs into Luna Lovegood. She is a freak and he and his friends do make fun of her, but this time when he runs into her he is not just kind to her but treats her as a friend and equal (this seems to be a recurring plot theme in this book.

I think the afterlife is behind that curtain and the voices were those of loved ones who died. I took Luna’s comment to mean that they would see their loved ones after they died. I assumed she just knew more about it than Harry because she had been raised as a witch. I never even considered that Sirius could come back through it. But now that I think of it, it would be wonderful. It just doesn’t fit with my understanding of the curtain.

I assumed from the prophecy that it could be either Harry or Neville, and that if he had attacked Neville first, and the circumstances had allowed it, it would have been Neville. I wonder why he assumed it was Harry and not Neville.

I think it’s hysterical that Divination is considered so flaky even in the wizard world.

I totally think we will be seeing more of Neville. I thought all the revelations about him were exciting. I think it is interesting that he has been using his father’s wand all along and then he used Hermione’s. I wonder how he would do if he had his own. I think he suffers from lack of confidence and people, especially his grandmother, expecting him to be like his father instead of like himself.

I wonder if the fact that the dementors came while Harry was picking on Dudley means anything? I keep seeing this theme throughout the book of picking on people being wrong and their being more to people than meets the eye.

I also questioned why Harry didn’t see the winged horses before since I assumed he had seen his own parents die. I wonder if this actually means something? Sometimes I wonder whether his parents are actually his parents? I know he looks like them, but we could be surprised. Wouldn’t it be wild to discover Snape was actually his father? I know, it’s extremely unlikely, but it’s fun to wonder.

Seeing the characters that are picked for the movies does change my view of what characters look like, and sometimes it’s disappointing. Richard Harris actually disappointed me as Dumbledore. I always pictured Dumbledore more like how Ian McKellan plays Gandalf in Lord of the Rings, and Richard Harris's Dumbledore is nothing like that. Hermione is not at all what I picture her to be like. She’s supposed to have really frizzy hair and buck teeth. Hagrid and Snape, however, are casted perfectly in the movies. I love Robbie Coltrane!!! And Maggie Smith surprised me the first time I saw her, but I now think of Professor McGonagall (possibly my favorite character in the books), as looking like her. I think Harry and Ron are casted fine. I think Mrs. Weasley is perfect. I love her clothes, too, :LOL.

[owensmom]

I think they referred to the room with the arch and curtain as the death chamber. Maybe they used to kind of hold court in there, and if you were convicted to death you'd have to go through the curtain under the archway. That is my take on it...

I was so so so sad that Sirius died, he really was my favorite. I think Harry will have a big standoff with that woman that was Sirius' cousin - the one that killed him.

I know Harry is only a 15 year old boy, but does anyone else get frustrated with his inability to show or tell his feelings to his friends and even Hagrid or Dumbledore? Not just this book, others too. I mean, I think they'd understand if he cried... just me I suppose...

How do you pronounce "git"?

Even though we've maybe not seen the last of Sirius, I still feel sad because he isn't a flesh and blood human being that Harry can hang out with, hug, etc...

I hadn't thought of Snape as a double agent. I thought he ignored the mark calling him. Surely if he was a double agent he'd have to be in the inner circle of death eaters... although Harry did call him on calling V the Dark Lord... I thought maybe he was like safe at Hogwarts from V, and only came to the OOP house briefly.

I re-read the long discussion between Dumbledore and Harry last night and cried all over again. Partly because I realised that in my head I was hearing Richard Harris say the words and that is the only place I will ever hear him do that.
I so agree!!!

I watched a movie called Withnail and I (a brit movie) and Uncle Vernon was in it.

I loved the Weasley twins in this one!!! They really did it... I loved the fireworks disrupting everything, cracked up as the sparkler spelling POO went by the window... :LOL I think the Weasley twins were cast well in the movie too.

I liked how the book had Ron shouldering some stuff - Quiddich keeper and prefect... so he just isn't Harry's buddy.

[kama'aina mama]

I think I was unclear. It is pretty plain to me that Snape IS a double agent. For Dumbledore and the Order... but with all doubles you can easily question who they are REALLY working for. Some people seem to suspect he is double crossing the order.

Git is just like it looks. Sort like how an American southerner pronounces 'get'.

[owensmom]

Thanks Kama, just as I thought. Seems like a fun word to use.

[faeriemom]

Owensmom -- as I've said many times, Sirius was my favorite too!!! It is so sad to think that he's "gone." And, like you said, even if he comes back in spirit or whatever, he's no longer flesh and blood -- I hate that!!

Oddly enough, my 2nd favorite characters in the series are Fred and George. Back when mamapie started the "who's your secret HP crush" thread, I was going to post Fred & George (can't decide which one I like best, so I'll take them both), but I was too embarrassed! After all, they were still underage in Book 4, and I didn't want to be an old perv. (Now they're adults though, so it's ok!)

I love how they were written in Book 5, especially the scene when they left Hogwarts. I was on edge thinking that Filch was going to whip them. Ah, but then they flew away into the sunset and I cried for joy!! I can't wait to see what they do in book 6.

Oh yeah, I love the casting of them in the movies too. Perfect!

I've been frustrated with Harry since book one, that he doesn't open up with his friends or with Dumbledore. In every book there are things that I think he should really share with someone, but he just keeps it to himself. Maybe that comes from spending his early years with the Dursleys (with no one to talk to)....but it is frustrating sometimes!

I don't know what I think about Snape yet. Can't decide what he's up to exactly.

I also thought it was great that Ron is out from under Harry's shadow in Book 5. It's about time! And I found it interesting that Harry was a little jealous of him for a change. My ds is especially thrilled that Ron's the Gryffindor Keeper now. Ron has always been his favorite character.

[CerridwenLorelei]

I finished last night!

Ok I wanted to smack (not really ) but did want to yell at harry OPEN up to someone !!
And I could see that it was a trap to lure him to the mysteries dept and couldn't figure out why he didn't put it together

I did crack up at Mad eye and Uncle Vernon though !!

[MamaMichele]

Does anyone else see JKR writing another potter book after the first seven. I'd like to see what the famous trio are up to 5 or 10 years after school. Or, maybe, just maybe, I need a life?
Michele (who is still all freaked out and (spoiler) thinking that maybe its Neville and not Harry.

[CerridwenLorelei]

Maybe the after books will depend on how

much she wants to keep it going???/

Ok for those of you that have read it all. Here is a question dd and I were discussing today

Do you think Harry shares or is to blame for Sirius' Death or Dumbledore does have his share?


*****I***** personally feel Harry has some blame. MPO is if he HAD done the occulmency lessons he wouldn't have been tempted to follow the dream to start with. And Sirius is of course going to leave to rescue him.



I also hope Kreacher and Mrs. Black's portrait suffer nastily

[daylily]

Someone asked what happened at the end when Voldemort possessed Harry. As he was being possessed and Voldemort taunted Dumbledore, telling him to kill them both, Harry realized that if he died, he'd see Sirius again and felt happy and that's the moment Voldemort dropped him. The way Dumbledore explained it, Voldemort couldn't tolerate possessing a body that felt that much love or caring for someone else.

Kama, I think your guess, at the beginning of this thread, about Umbridge turning out to be a half-human--thus explaining her hatred of them--is very interesting. It's too bad Rowling doesn't explore this in OOTP, but maybe it will come up again in later books. I don't think we've seen the last of Umbridge. After all, only Harry and his friends know that she sent the dementors after him. Won't she face disciplinary action from the Ministry?

I have a hunch that Voldemort and Bellatrix Lestrange were lovers before V was killed. I hope there isn't a secret Voldemort spawn hiding somewhere.

And, it's mentioned briefly that Dumbledore has a very eccentric brother. I wonder if more will come of that in the future.

I loved, loved, loved Luna Lovegood. It cracked me up that her father runs a tabloid and that it was the source for accurate info about the ministry and Voldemort. Remember the Quibbler cartoon showing Fudge exchanging gold with the goblins?

[hydrangea]

Re: Maybe the after books will depend on how

Originally posted by CerridwenLorelei

Do you think Harry shares or is to blame for Sirius' Death or Dumbledore does have his share?

I don't think either is to blame. I think we make choices in life without knowing where they will lead. Sometimes they lead to good and sometimes they lead to bad. This time they led to bad.

I don't believe blame except where the outcome is intentional or the actions were exceptionally risky and stupid.

Sirius himself encouraged risk-taking and Sirius himself left his house.

That's my opinion though. Guilt and blame about Sirius's death may even come up in future books.

[owensmom]

True Hydgrangea - I wonder how Harry and Dumbledore's relationship will be in the future...

[MelissaEvans]

Does anyone else see JKR writing another potter book after the first seven.

Remember when Harry was talking with Prof. Mcgonagal (sp) about his future career and she mentioned being and auror (sp again) takes another 3 years of schooling... I was thinking maybe there will be another 3 books. =) I've read other series where it was very obvious that the author was bored with it though, and it really wasn't worth it. So if JKR gets to that point, I'd rather she leaves it alone. =)

I just re-read 3 and am worknig through 4 again. I hate how JKR always includes obvious information about the previous books ("Malfoy and Harry hated each other from the moment they met"). Darn it, I've already read that, I don't need a reminder. The stuff I did forget wasn't included in little lapses like that. Ever read the Babysitter's Club series? I swear, you could just skip the first chapter because it's all the same.

That being said, was there any "back flashes" like that in 5? I thin 4 could have been a lot shorter if she assumed the reader had a brain and read the other books (how many people pick up the 4th in a series and start there intentionally?). O'ell.

[Cinder]

Originally posted by MelissaEvans
Ever read the Babysitter's Club series? I swear, you could just skip the first chapter because it's all the same.

lol, I haven't read baby sitter's club in forever, but I always skipped that first chapter where she explained everything for the 50th time.

[owensmom]

I think it was this thread that talked about incorporating Shakespeare? I was watching Jeopardy and there was a quote from MacBeth that said something like "I saw the weird sisters" ...

I thought that was funny.

[madrone]

I didn’t get the book until the 27th because it had to be mailed from England. I read it in 2 ½ days, reading everywhere I went. People here were so envious and a couple have even asked to borrow it, saying they couldn’t wait until December when it’s released here and would try to read it in English. Now I don’t know what I’m going to tell them because I’m so down about Sirius. It has taken 2 days just to be able to write this. I had a major crush on him, even though I never posted on the crush thread.

I watched the JKR Albert Hall interview that someone posted on another thread. Someone asked her if she would write a Harry Potter book after he finishes at Hogwart’s. She said something like that we don’t know if he lives to talk about an adult Harry Potter book. Seems like I heard somewhere that she said that this death was the first of some deaths to major characters. I’m afraid now that she is going to copy Hemingway and have Harry’s death be the end of the seventh book. What if that is what Luna’s message about the voices meant?

At first, I thought that the death chamber might be a place where witches and wizard’s sentenced to death might be executed. But I don’t know after thinking about it a bit because it’s within the Department of Mysteries. The old court rooms are down a flight of stairs before the Department of Mysteries door at the end of the corridor. I thought the death chamber was one of the doors after that door that changes after you shut it. I don’t think the building changes except within the Department of Mysteries. Maybe it’s where they study death instead? This makes me have some hope that maybe Harry will be able to see or talk to Sirius again.

Hermione’s parents have really bugged me also. They’re completely unbelievable characters, IMHO. In order for them to not just have a fit about never seeing her, they would have to be really detached. But if they were like that, I think she would express resentment towards them. And she never does. The only thing she has ever said is that they don’t or wouldn’t understand in a few references to magic. JKR stated in the Albert Hall interview that they are just boring dentists. It’s her books and she can do what she wants with her characters, but I think it would be more believable if Hermione spent holidays with them. Maybe not the spring one because of exams, but the winter and summer ones definitely.

Mrs. Weasley, however, is completely believable to me. I think witches and wizards must home school their children until they leave for Hogwart’s. If they went to small schools for young witches and wizards, the parents would have to live closer together than they do and some of the children would know each other before arriving at Hogwart’s. I don’t think they would send their children to the local muggle school. It would be too hard for odd things not to happen (like with Harry before he knew he was a wizard) if they went there. Could anyone here at MDC argue that Mrs. Weasley wasn’t a harried housewife home schooling seven young children? When Harry has arrived at the Weasley’s, a month of summer has already occurred. It is very easy to quickly fall into old patterns. I don’t recall her being so irritable during the Christmas holidays in OOTP. Maybe I’m just not remembering it and will catch it during the re-read.

I really like the Luna character. She reminds me of myself.

A lot of her writing has been inspired by others. She is a very well-read woman. I think very few people have ideas that are truly original. I don’t think she is one of them. She’s an incredible writer with a great imagination. She just was influenced by the things she read before.

[madrone]

Hey, check out this from the Toronto Star:
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...=1056146496262
An obituary printed on the OOTP release date.

[owensmom]

Originally posted by madrone
Hey, check out this from the Toronto Star:
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...=1056146496262
An obituary printed on the OOTP release date.

Oh ok, now that made me cry. I really need to get over this...

[madrone]

I do to OwensMom.