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post #161 of 2286

Educate me on

adrenal fatigue. I have read this thread and I can relate to some of the symtoms. I read on the internet that it really isn't acknowedged by MD's. I have been really run down lately, anxiety, I don't sleep more than 3 hours at a time at night without waking up, I usually average 5-6 hours of sleep, shaky, hypothyroid (I take Synthroid.). I have been under a lot of stress...family illness, very stressful job, I keep sinus and ear "stuff" all the time. I know I don't make the best choices diet wise and I feel like I don't ever truly relax.
post #162 of 2286
Metasequoia--thanks. I am going to have to read through this thread more carefully to see what supplements people are taking.

I am taking: Biotin 8mg, EVP 2,000mg, prenatals, probiotics, echinacea (temp. for mastitis), chronium pic., thyroid, flaxmeal and herbal tincture of vitex, sib. ginseng, licorice and cramp bark.

We live in Baja. But Queretero is Very beautiful--I'd like my next vacation to be there!
post #163 of 2286
Dh just told me that my doctor's office called today while I was napping and said that nothing came back out of the ordinary on my blood tests so she wants me to come in and get the vials for the saliva test. I'm so excited, which is kind of crazy, but at least maybe I'll get a definative answer to why I'm feeling so crappy.

I've been craving hot milk with bittersweet chocolate chips, my version of hot chocolate. Do you think I might need some mag/cal? I know I shouldn't be eating chocolate anyway but it's going to be really hard to give it up completely if the results come back as positive for adrenal fatigue.

How long does it usually take to get the results once you send off your samples?
post #164 of 2286
I went to an ND after doing the saliva tests through Canary Club because everything recommended for adrenal fatigue (I am in Level 5 non-adapted low reserves cortisol burden 15) says, "do not take while breastfeeding." I wanted an ND to tell me what was okay to take.

The ND said the saliva test for adrenal function from Diagnos-Techs is very accurate, but the thyroid and hormone saliva tests aren't as accurate as blood tests. So although my saliva tests showed normal thyroid and hormonal levels, she wanted to do blood work for those things. I did the blood work two days ago and got the results yesterday. I have very low blood levels (below normal limits) of fTSH, fT4, and fT3 so she has put me on a natural thyroid supplement in addition to adrenal cortex and some vitamins. I also am anemic, according to the blood work, so she prescribed iron. She wonders how I get out of bed in the morning with everything so low (so do I).

I started taking the adrenal cortex two days ago and haven't slept in two days. I am irritable, cranky, vaguely nauseous, and extremely sleepy. I can't sleep. I only took one tablet of the 3 recommended daily of adrenal cortex. Sheesh.

I hope we can get these meds figured out so I can get some sleep and have more energy during the day. Right now I feel worse than before I started the supplements. Is this normal? Should I stop the adrenal cortex for a while? I've got to get some sleep.

She also wants me to nightwean, which I am dreading, and right now I wonder what the point is since DD is sleeping and I am not :

To the PP that asked how long labs take:

I got the results from Diagnos-Techs through Canary Club in 12 days. I got the blood work done locally in 24 hours (although it was supposed to take up to 7 days). It really depends on what lab you are using, I think.
post #165 of 2286
I take my adrenal 2 x a day in the morning and at 12 noon. Maybe you are taking yours too late in the day? I dunno much about all this, but it was just a thought.
post #166 of 2286
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Originally Posted by BellinghamCrunchie View Post
I went to an ND after doing the saliva tests through Canary Club because everything recommended for adrenal fatigue (I am in Level 5 non-adapted low reserves cortisol burden 15) says, "do not take while breastfeeding." I wanted an ND to tell me what was okay to take.

The ND said the saliva test for adrenal function from Diagnos-Techs is very accurate, but the thyroid and hormone saliva tests aren't as accurate as blood tests. So although my saliva tests showed normal thyroid and hormonal levels, she wanted to do blood work for those things. I did the blood work two days ago and got the results yesterday. I have very low blood levels (below normal limits) of fTSH, fT4, and fT3 so she has put me on a natural thyroid supplement in addition to adrenal cortex and some vitamins. I also am anemic, according to the blood work, so she prescribed iron. She wonders how I get out of bed in the morning with everything so low (so do I).

I started taking the adrenal cortex two days ago and haven't slept in two days. I am irritable, cranky, vaguely nauseous, and extremely sleepy. I can't sleep. I only took one tablet of the 3 recommended daily of adrenal cortex. Sheesh.

I hope we can get these meds figured out so I can get some sleep and have more energy during the day. Right now I feel worse than before I started the supplements. Is this normal? Should I stop the adrenal cortex for a while? I've got to get some sleep.

She also wants me to nightwean, which I am dreading, and right now I wonder what the point is since DD is sleeping and I am not :

To the PP that asked how long labs take:

I got the results from Diagnos-Techs through Canary Club in 12 days. I got the blood work done locally in 24 hours (although it was supposed to take up to 7 days). It really depends on what lab you are using, I think.
I went through this back in February! At that point I had only had a blood test & was seeing a holistic doctor who believed in AF & felt that I had it because of my low DHEA, unfortunately, it wasn't her specialty. I Googled some of the supplements the doctor gave me for the adrenal fatigue, one of which is adrenal cortex (mine was "Adreno-Plus"). Here's what I found:

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Other possible side effects include a general stimulatory effect that may manifest as anxiety, irritability, and/or insomnia.
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The proper procedure is to start with a dosage lower than what is recommended on the label of most adrenal extract supplements (1/3 of the normal dosage), and then slowly increasing the dosage every two days until one notices the stimulatory effect. Once that effect is noticed then simply reduce the dosage to a level just below the level that will produce stimulation.
The label recommended 1 capsule daily, the doctor said to take 2 a day, no wonder I felt like I was on speed!

I have since found my wonderful ND adrenal specialist & I stopped taking Adreno-Plus & started taking the Mil Adregen & never felt wound up on it - and I take 3 tablets a day. Not sure why, Mil Adregen has more B6, maybe the way it's utilized in the body?

My doc has hinted around that nightweaning would be a good thing for me but when I implied that it wasn't something that I wanted to do, he never brought it up again.
post #167 of 2286
Well I got my test kit today. BUT I can't do it until I'm on day 19-21 of my cycle...which fortunately is this coming monday-wednesday. Except we'll be at the beach on exactly those three days. I'm going to have to do it there which really stinks because I will have to work around tests for an entire day of vacation.

Ah well. I gotta do what I gotta do.
post #168 of 2286
Okay I need help here!!!

As I mentioned I have to do the saliva test on either monday, tuesday or wednesday. Well then at the bottom it says you should take your BBT and they say to do it on days 1-5 (or something in that range) of your cycle! I am not keeping my saliva all the way through to the next cycle, nor am I going to wait until next cycle to start all of this. I need these results quickly.

On their site they also say you should be taking your temp under your arm. Well I can't do that because I chart with mouth numbers and I don't want to screw it all up.

Do you think I could just send in the first 3 temps of this cycle and make a note that they are oral temps? I don't want to screw it up, but I don't want to wait a million years either. :
post #169 of 2286
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Originally Posted by Metasequoia View Post
I went through this back in February! At that point I had only had a blood test & was seeing a holistic doctor who believed in AF & felt that I had it because of my low DHEA, unfortunately, it wasn't her specialty. I Googled some of the supplements the doctor gave me for the adrenal fatigue, one of which is adrenal cortex (mine was "Adreno-Plus"). Here's what I found:





The label recommended 1 capsule daily, the doctor said to take 2 a day, no wonder I felt like I was on speed!

I have since found my wonderful ND adrenal specialist & I stopped taking Adreno-Plus & started taking the Mil Adregen & never felt wound up on it - and I take 3 tablets a day. Not sure why, Mil Adregen has more B6, maybe the way it's utilized in the body?

My doc has hinted around that nightweaning would be a good thing for me but when I implied that it wasn't something that I wanted to do, he never brought it up again.

Whew, thank you! That makes alot of sense. I'll try taking the adrenal cortex first thing in the morning, and break the capsule up so I'm just taking 1/3 to start.

The side effects you described are exactly what I'm having.
post #170 of 2286
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Originally Posted by Kimmiepie View Post
Okay I need help here!!!

As I mentioned I have to do the saliva test on either monday, tuesday or wednesday. Well then at the bottom it says you should take your BBT and they say to do it on days 1-5 (or something in that range) of your cycle! I am not keeping my saliva all the way through to the next cycle, nor am I going to wait until next cycle to start all of this. I need these results quickly.

On their site they also say you should be taking your temp under your arm. Well I can't do that because I chart with mouth numbers and I don't want to screw it all up.

Do you think I could just send in the first 3 temps of this cycle and make a note that they are oral temps? I don't want to screw it up, but I don't want to wait a million years either. :
Yes. Don't hold the saliva.

Are you charting now? When you take your mouth temp tomorrow morning, record your mouth temp, then stick the thermo under your arm and note the temp you get. Note the difference in the temps (mouth vs armpit) and subtract the same amount from days 1-5 that you already have and give them those temps on the lab sheet. That should be pretty accurate as to what the temps were as if you had done them armpit.
post #171 of 2286
Oh that's a great idea! Thanks.
post #172 of 2286
Okay another question *sigh*

I either ovulated today or yesterday so my temps are going to be higher than the ones at the beginning of the cycle. So I don't know how I could adjust the earlier temps that way. Also, I seem to be running a fever (cold going around here) so now it won't be accurate at all.

If I wait until I'm not sick anymore I will definately have after O temps, so how I would I deal with that? Also, would it be so bad if I just took the first temps for this month and made them about a degree lower? That's usually how the armpit temps work right?
post #173 of 2286
I have my appt. with an "anti aging/bioidentical hormone/adrenal fatigue" specializing MD next Tuesday. I can't wait to find out what the test results say. I'm getting really hypoglycemic lately (more than usual) and I don't fully wake up until about 4-5 pm. This is getting so old. I wish DS would nightwean too but I'm not going to force him at this point... It's so great to find out I'm not alone. Everyone just tells me I'm tired because I have two kids under 5. I'll report back my results and supplement recommendations in a month or so after my follow up appt.

Everyone else, keep posting your test results OK?

thanks, Kelly
post #174 of 2286
Cheers to everyone here for perservering!

I am relatively new to this thread and assuming that nursing at night interferes with the cortisol and that is why night weaning is important?

Also, how important do you think a supportive community is when dealing with AF? (i.e. good network of friends nearby, friends for dd/ds, church community, etc.) Do you think it makes a difference either way?

One of my struggles since being 8 months preggo is that I moved out of the country and haven't made any close friends in my city. I feel like that just makes it worse when feeling so low-energy and depressed/irritable. What do you all think?
post #175 of 2286
Thread Starter 
I think nightweaning will be really beneficial for us, that said, I'm not doing it. Not yet at least. Ds is 16 months now, maybe around 18-20 months. It'll be such a HUGE effort, makes me tired just thinking about it. I don't have anyone to help with it either, so it'll be me with the boobs attempting to comfort Ds.

I think friends are important, I have a couple of friends who talk me down when I'm heading towards a panic attack - I don't know that what I actually have are panic attacks, I think they're just acute moments of anxiety when I read/think something horrible & can't get my mind to shut down, kwim?

I also feel SO much better after spending a few hours with some fellow mommies - being "trapped" with small children day after day is tough!

I just got back from my appointment - my BP has improved! It's still low, but it's rising as it should - it was 95 - 105 - 105. The first one was lying down (95) & upon standing it rose to 105 - this is HUGE! When I first started going it didn't rise at all! After 10 seconds it was still 105! Again, this is huge! I felt okay today (mentally, physically I'm still achey) so my BP corresponded with my mental outlook (& lack of adrenaline) I attribute this to laying on the couch/by the pool reading Harry Potter for 3 days straight.

In times of stress (like if I've been having adrenaline rushes) my BP reflects that (why my doctor always says, "The BP never lies.") For instance, 2 or 3 weeks ago, exDp came with me (45 minute drive with someone I seriously clash with) & my BP was 105 lying down, rose to 115 upon standing & continued to rise - that continual rising is a sign of stress (and in my case, those readings were a little high overall.)

My doctor upped my pregnenolone to 50mg/day. I wish I could take more licorice but it's not well documented while bfing.

I'm going to bring Dd1 to my next appointment in hopes that she'll be able to learn how to do this adjustment (not relate to AF, a pelvic/hip adjustment) since ExDp & I don't get along well enough for him to do it 2-3 times a week for me.
post #176 of 2286
I had my appt today and got a lot of tests ordered. I just have to do the saliva test in a couple days and send it in and go to the lab for the blood tests (thyroid, vit D, complete blood count, iron, etc). Can't wait to see the results! I have a follow up in a month.

She just said that good sleep is very important to the adrenals when I told her that DS was still night nursing 2-3 times after bedtime. He's 18 months old now so I am going to hopefully work to one night waking. She suggested a protein rich snack for him shortly before bedtime which I never thought of (duh). We'll see if that helps. Otherwise I think he's just doing it out of habit to get back to sleep... We shall see.

In the meantime I ordered "Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome" from Amazon. I can't wait to get it.

Yesterday DH told me, "so if all the tests come back normal, does that mean you're going to stop complaining?" Grr... : : Because I said I felt shaky and tired at 11:30 am Sunday and needed to eat before we went shopping. (This coming from someone who ignores his body's signs of stress and anxiety.)

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Kimmiepie,

Yes, the underarm temps are about a degree lower than the oral temps, give or take... I think you could calculate it that way and they'd be pretty close.
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post #178 of 2286
Just wanted to update that I did my tests and mailed them out today. Now I wait...the grueling wait.

Has anyone done the ZRT tests (mine was combo saliva and blood spot)...if so how long did it take to get your results?
post #179 of 2286
This is interesting ... i just read the first and last pages of this thread, and noticed that so many of the posters are nursing at night. I feel that this was the cause of my demise. DS night nursed for 14 months, waking up every 2 hours or so, and it just KILLED me. I got so tired and run-down ...

DS is now 24 months, and not night-nursing, but still waking up several times a night. He falls right back asleep, but I sometimes lay awake for an hour, trying to fall back asleep. Everyone tells me to nap during the day, but I can rarely manage it -- I lay down with DS, but cannot fall asleep, even though I'm really tired.

I also tend to feel horrible in the mornings. Getting up with DS is so hard, and I'm not a very good parent at that time because I feel so terrible. I thought that it was just the lack of sleep (plus hayfever, because to complicate matters I also have that!), but after reading the symptoms of adrenal fatigue, it really sounds like me.

If you got this far, thanks for listening. I will go back and read the entire thread now!
post #180 of 2286
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Originally Posted by wagamama View Post
This is interesting ... i just read the first and last pages of this thread, and noticed that so many of the posters are nursing at night. I feel that this was the cause of my demise. DS night nursed for 14 months, waking up every 2 hours or so, and it just KILLED me. I got so tired and run-down ...

DS is now 24 months, and not night-nursing, but still waking up several times a night. He falls right back asleep, but I sometimes lay awake for an hour, trying to fall back asleep. Everyone tells me to nap during the day, but I can rarely manage it -- I lay down with DS, but cannot fall asleep, even though I'm really tired.

I also tend to feel horrible in the mornings. Getting up with DS is so hard, and I'm not a very good parent at that time because I feel so terrible. I thought that it was just the lack of sleep (plus hayfever, because to complicate matters I also have that!), but after reading the symptoms of adrenal fatigue, it really sounds like me.

If you got this far, thanks for listening. I will go back and read the entire thread now!
s I feel for you, especially being pregnant AND having hayfever. I usually have horrible spring/summer/fall allergies but this year I started taking some local raw honey each day (yum), lots of extra vit. C, and homeopathic hayfever drops from the HFS. I've been slacking off lately but still have had very few problems (with the hayfever anyways). Oh, and my main allergy symptom was fatigue, like I hadn't slept in days even after sleeping 10 hrs at night. Maybe that's part of your fatigue issue as well.
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