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I am a director of a public Montessori school. I am currently teaching a 9-12 class, which isn't my level (I'm 6-9 trained), but my 9-12 teacher moved across country to be with her husband for a job transfer in April, so I took over her class for the last 2 months of school.

The school is 2 years old, so we have a large portion of students who were not in Montessori since preschool, which of course would be the ideal.

I have a group of about 8 boys, who want to talk to each other all day long. I can give them choices, get them interested, but the bottom line is that there is NOTHING more interesting for them, than socializing. Of course, the ideal Montessori classroom says that students may work with whomever they'd like. I know that there are many schools who say not to take students unless they received Montessori early on. However, we are a public school, and though we counsel parents on what would be the best fit for their children, we cannot "kick them out."

I have a friend whose daughter goes to an AMI school, and the director's philosophy is "Montessori is right for every child, but not every family." Of course, this angers the parents, because it assumes that, if it's not working for the child, then there is something "wrong" with the family situation that hinders the child from flourishing.

The solution my former teacher used for these group of boys is to choose specific works for students to do each day. She would create a list of possible job ideas, and highlight them. The students would do them in any order they wish, and at their own pace. However, even that didn't work for these boys, who are like magnets to each other...so she separated them during the day, so that they sat in places without their friends...and this was no easy feat as there are 8 of them who are so tight that they don't ever want to separate from "the pack." Choosing all their work and separating them is so un-Montessori to me, and yet, it was the only thing they could do do keep their focus on work. There has often been talk about distractions in the environment...well, what if the students are constant distractions to each other? Especially 6 of the eight boys are NEVER silent.

So, I tried to have them choose their own jobs, and they had difficulty. I ended up having a class with 75% of students choosing their work, and 25% of students who I chose their work and chose their seats. It doesn't feel good to me, and yet, it feels better than leaving them floundering and without direction, and constantly following them around and monitoring them to make sure that they are engaged in purposeful activity.

Next year I will have two 9-12 classes, and I will separate them into two groups, to make this group smaller. I even had them all choose a research project based upon interest, but these students didn't care about the topic of research...they cared about who they were working with, and even went so far as to forgo an interesting topic if their friends were doing something else, because the need to be with their peers was much stronger than their other internal needs.

Does anyone have any good insights on this matter? I am curious to see if anyone has any feedback, especially anyone whose dealt with elementary students, who are much different than primary students. Thanks you for listening!
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I don't have any advice for you, just . I'm a former high school teacher, who is new to Montessori concepts (my oldest will be starting in the Children's House in the fall.). But, I know how hard it is to deal with a "pack" in the classroom, so you have my complete sympathy!

I have had a brief discussion with our city's Montessori principal about 9-12 grade. Apparently, they were a pilot school with the first Montessori HS in the country. From what I understand, the school is incorporated into their specialized public high school (you have to qualify to get in), due to budget/building reasons. The elective classes are with the general ps, but the core classes are Montessori. They are taught by specialists in each field, as is required by state law (at the secondary level, you have to have a major or minor in the subject area and past a general knowledge test in that subject...I'm certified in math, computer science, and Spanish). So, it is really not the same as Montessori in the younger grades, where one generalist teacher does all subjects. In the core classes, they use the Socratic Method. I have a hazy idea of what that entails (a lot of questioning, debate, and discussion?), but from what I recall it is still fairly teacher led. The school has been around for awhile, so I do believe most of the students have come through Montessori all the way.

I don't know if that is helpful to you or not. But, it is an example of one Montessori public high school that doesn't really look the same as the elementary and jr. high levels. I think you can be up front with the boys. Tell them that the way things are happening just isn't working. Have you sat down with each one individually and together and brainstormed ideas on how you can come up with a plan for getting some work done? Then, hopefully you can get some buy in from them on whatever system you set up?

Good luck!
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Suggestions for 9-12 upper el boys

I am not a Montessori teacher, but I am a Montessori mama to a 14 year old who was in a private M school from ages 3-9, then a charter M school ages 9-12 (we ended up yanking her because the head of the school liked those charter dollars too much and started doing away with the work cycle, implementing workbooks and homework, and added letter grades inour last semester there---BTW it is now a "traditional" charter school, NOT Montessori, thanks to this completely greedy idiot).

I am aslo a child and adolescent psychiatrist, and very interested in how Montessori can be the ONLY school that can help so many kids with problems.

What would happen, if you did NOT worry about the yearly state tests, and allowed these boys to do NOTHING but socialize, and in the meantime, the 75% of kids who are normalized can continue to do interesting work, including going outs, camping, woodworking, small machine repair, writing newsletters and comic books, playing music, and all the other millions of awesome things the normalized child does? At the worst, the troublesome 8 will have had at least 2 months of school that they actually enjoyed; at best, one, or two, or maybe even all of them will be inspired by something so fascinating that another child is doing, that he will then actually do work, of his own choice, and become normalized too?

I think it is so easy to think childhood is a race, a contest, and they must work work work to keep up. Sometimes the social work can be the biggest work that is done in a classroom for a whole 3 or 4 year cycle!!

A great book to help you not lose hope in the method or in the children is by Donna Bryant Goetz called "Children Who Are Not Yet Peaceful: Preventing Exclusion in the Elementary Classroom". She is the head of Austin Montessori School, and a very gifted writer too!

I wish in the Cleveland area there were a public true Montessori school, as my youngest, who will actually spend a 4th year in preprimary as our local private Montessori has no room for her in their lower el, would have benefitted so much from exposure to children from all kinds of families and all kinds of economic advantages/disadvantages. Instead, IF she even gets a lower el space in 2008, she'll spend her entire Montessori career with the top 1% income bracket. NOT what Dr. Montessori had in mind!
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Thanks so much for the reply from you both...honeybee, the 9-12 of which I am speaking is not a grade 9-12, but the ages of 9-12...the upper elementary grades. But thanks so much anyways, for the input!
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I am an upper elementary Montessori teacher. I also ran into a similar situation with a group of 9-12 boys about 4 years ago. I had to resort to doing something similar to what your former teacher did. I took the student's workplans and highlighted the materials that they could choose from for that day. They were allowed to continue to work with each other provided that they completed their workplans. They also had to come to see me or my assistant teacher after completing each activity and one of us put our initials on the highlighted activity. If they were not able to complete their daily workplan then the next day there were seperated. They learned very quickly cause and effect. I did not enjoy having to do it this way, but if we didn't, nothing would have been completed.

And my former director had the same quote that Montessori might not be right for every family.
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Well, you can tell how much my mind is still in the traditional school mode! I'm hoping my experience as a M mom will help un-doctrinate (hey, why can't I make up my own word?) me from traditional educational thought patterns!
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Just curious Crunchymom....how many jobs did you choose to highlight each day for these kinds of students? What was your expectation of them in terms of work, for each day? Did you specify a certain amount of language/math/cultural?

I feel like I have to be on top of them, and policing them. Sometimes I get frustrated because none of Maria Montessori's plentiful work addresses these kinds of topics, such as what to do when a group of students are called to socialize more than called to any sort of material or work in the classroom. Or, what to do with the unmotivated, uninspired student. I have a few of these also. Usually you can find one or two things to spark their passion, and I can get them going on these things for awhile, but when it's over, that's it. One of my students, for example, is only interested in wars. He knows the history of wars like you wouldn't believe. However, that hasn't been able to sustain him for long periods of time.

There is an assumption that children want to work all of the time if they are normalized, and I'm not sure if that is true. I do think, in my experience with 6-9, that this is more true for this age group, but in 9-12, students start wanting to focus on other things. I wonder if this is attributed to the earlier onset of the adolescent period. In Maria's time, adolescence really didn't hit til 12 or so, but I"m seeing the 9-12 group exhibit some of the qualities she expressed the 12-15 year olds were exhibiting.

I sometimes wish Maria Montessori would have written extensively about difficult days in her classrooms, and challenging situations she dealt with. Again, I actually have a pretty great group of kids, but we have our days when things are not smooth. Sometimes there is a feeling of striving for an ideal, with a feeling that normalized children are happily productive every day, all day long.

Just musing on philosophy this morning... .
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