How long after chicken pox vaccination is a person "immune"?

[xmysticprincessx]

i did a few google searches and didnt find anything about this.

dd has chicken pox right now (yay!). she broke out late friday. SIL was planning on coming to visit thursday evening with her 2 boys, ages 3 1/2 and 16 months. SIL could be queen of the vax sheeple. her 16 month old just got his CP (and other) vaxes. (not totally sure when he got them, but within the past month.) SIL is concerned that her 16 month old may not be immune to CP yet. because you know, CP is this horrible deadly disease. : (she did lose her 1st child during birth 5 1/2 years ago, so i can see why she would be worried about a child dieing. but come on, even on the cdc information sheet it admits that only about 100 people a year die from CP.)

by the way, i believe the CP vax is a bunch of crap and just a merck-money maker.

so if this vax were to "work," when would it start working, ie, a few days, a week, a month, etc? or do you think that merck, etc really has no clue because they havent actually exposed a recently vaxed person to someone with wild chickenpox? or do they draw titres every few weeks when the vaxes are being tested? or would getting a CP titre from the 16 month old really be the only way to know?

any links to journal articles, etc would be appreciated. i'm actually walking on thin ice with this because SIL and i had a bad arguement about vaxes 2 years ago and did not start speaking again till a few months ago. whatever i pass along to her has to be from somewhere like the cdc, etc because all of us non-vaxers are wack jobs. (yet MIL told me that the 16 month old had a reaction to his shots last month. he had a fever of 104 and was really sick. yet she oddly enough didnt mention this to me in any of our emails, including the one today about her concern that he would not show immunity yet.)

thanks!

[dawn1221]

I actually know a 3 year old who just got chicken pox from her grandma who has shingles. She was vaxed on time accoring to cdc guidelines. The vax DOES NOT prevent the virus. It only makes it less severe. The little girl only got a couple of pox and a high fever.

[xmysticprincessx]

maybe you misunderstood my question... isnt the whole point of this vax (and vaxing in general) to prevent the disease, not make it less severe? i know even the cdc and merck say that if you are vaxed and DO catch CP that its a very mild form.

but how long after receiving the vaccination would merck/the cdc/mainstream drs say that the person is "immune" from chicken pox? (i guess i'm trying to look at it from the pro-vax angle vs the angle most of us come from- that the vax is a waste of time, dangerous, and not as good as real natural immuity).

[Deborah]

Don't have time to do this for you, gotta go to work, but do this:

Use Google Scholar or PubMed.

Search for varivax and clinical study

read the summary of the study, which should tell you when they tested for antibodies following the vax and what levels they found.

Good luck. The product inserts also have this info, don't they?

[xmysticprincessx]

i read through the proquad insert, but didnt find anything. it mentioned shedding for up to 28 days and what percentage of people were immune a year later.
https://www.merckvaccines.com/proqua...age_frmst.html
(the link to them in in there... for some reason linux doesnt show the url on pdf pages.)

i found this on pubmed:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

Around day 42 post-vaccination (range 35-63 days) all the 176 initially seronegative subjects had seroconverted for varicella antibodies.

here's an article from google scholar:
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/...ct/310/22/1409
"Approximately eight weeks after vaccination, 94 per cent of the initially seronegative children who received vaccine had detectable antibody to varicella."

[dawn1221]

Originally Posted by xmysticprincessx

maybe you misunderstood my question... isnt the whole point of this vax (and vaxing in general) to prevent the disease, not make it less severe? i know even the cdc and merck say that if you are vaxed and DO catch CP that its a very mild form.

but how long after receiving the vaccination would merck/the cdc/mainstream drs say that the person is "immune" from chicken pox? (i guess i'm trying to look at it from the pro-vax angle vs the angle most of us come from- that the vax is a waste of time, dangerous, and not as good as real natural immuity).

I totally understood the question. My point is that I don't believe the vax gives immunity. This is not the first person I know that was vaxed and still got it. Also, she had her shot at 15 months and she was 3 1/2 when she got CP.

[lokidoki]

When did you say they were coming for a visit? Am I understanding that your SIL is coming this Thursday after your child broke out last Friday evening? If so, your child might not be contagious by the time they come to visit. If your child has scabs over the blisters (which I would hope would occur by that point) then why worry about the vaxed child having immunity/not having immunity? Isn't it more about whether or not your child will be contagious/not contagious at that point?

As for the CP vax...she should be thoroughly aware that no one is guaranteed to not get diseases even if they are vaxed...especially CP vax. Obviously you cannot tell her how silly it is to not want your child exposed to a childhood disease during which they could get the benefit of life long immunity when the symptoms are least severe...but I bet you wish you could

[xmysticprincessx]

Originally Posted by lokidoki

When did you say they were coming for a visit? Am I understanding that your SIL is coming this Thursday after your child broke out last Friday evening? If so, your child might not be contagious by the time they come to visit. If your child has scabs over the blisters (which I would hope would occur by that point) then why worry about the vaxed child having immunity/not having immunity? Isn't it more about whether or not your child will be contagious/not contagious at that point?

As for the CP vax...she should be thoroughly aware that no one is guaranteed to not get diseases even if they are vaxed...especially CP vax. Obviously you cannot tell her how silly it is to not want your child exposed to a childhood disease during which they could get the benefit of life long immunity when the symptoms are least severe...but I bet you wish you could

yeah, i was thinking that about dd not even being contagious. she's got a really mild case too. but she's still "sick." "sick" meaning running around the house, jumping on the bed, getting into stuff, etc.

and yeah, i'd LOVE to tell her that the vax will wear off, the cdc basically admits it. but we had a HUGE disagreement almost 2 years ago and just recently started speaking again. but this reminds me again why i didnt want anything to do with her.

not to mention i'm extremely tempted to give her the link to filing a vaers report. a temp of 104 *is* a severe reaction. at least she's thinking of splitting the vaxes when he "needs" the boosters in a few years. i find it interesting that she nor BIL mentioned the severe reaction to dh or me but mentioned it to MIL. she must not want to admit she could have been wrong about vaxes and i *might* have been right. she used to work in a pharmacy, so she thinks it makes her a dr because she knows all the drug names and what they're for.

[MOMOF4BOYS]

Originally Posted by xmysticprincessx

maybe you misunderstood my question... isnt the whole point of this vax (and vaxing in general) to prevent the disease, not make it less severe? i know even the cdc and merck say that if you are vaxed and DO catch CP that its a very mild form.

but how long after receiving the vaccination would merck/the cdc/mainstream drs say that the person is "immune" from chicken pox? (i guess i'm trying to look at it from the pro-vax angle vs the angle most of us come from- that the vax is a waste of time, dangerous, and not as good as real natural immuity).

it is only to make it less severe.most that get the shot are never immuned.

[lokidoki]

Originally Posted by xmysticprincessx

yeah, i was thinking that about dd not even being contagious. she's got a really mild case too. but she's still "sick." "sick" meaning running around the house, jumping on the bed, getting into stuff, etc.

Yep, sounds like the typical CP case I remember. I was sailing down the stairs on a fold out chair (the kind popular in the 80s that were all foam)...which I was FAR more likely to get killed and/or injured doing than being killed and/or injured while having the CP!!!

Hmmm...new stat to find...how many children died sliding down the stairs of their childhood home on foam foldout chairs!

Good luck with the education. If nothing else, hopefully there will be an outbreak of CP that she cannot 'control' and it will loosen her up a bit.