A question for Bush supporters only - Page 2

[Marg of Arabia]

Oh I give up! Sorry, NM, safemommy, etc. I thought I was starting a flameproof thread. I didn't mean to set you up like this.


Hey, don't take your ball home yet!! I am enjoying this thread. I DO want to hear Bush-supporter's explain why they support Bush. Do go on............


marg

[TiredX2]

Thanks to all the Bush supporters who have posted. Its not much of a debate w/out at least 2 sides and I really appreciate those on the minority side (here at least) being willing to stick around and discuss things!


Kay

[Safemommy]

Patty, what an awesome idea to do with your tax return money! When we got our tax refund a couple years ago (the $600 one) I honestly was against that and thought there were better places to put it. I should have just taken the initiative and put it there myself!

I am going to remember that for this year. A good way to get around the government by doing it ourselves!

Thanks!

[benharperfan]

Here are my reasons for supporting our current president:

1. Bush raised the fleet requirements in terms of MPG for automobile manufacturers. He also is supporting alternative fuel uses, particularly fuel cell technology (i.e. hydrogen fuel use).

2. Bush opposes the absolutely barbaric act of late-term abortion and has enacted legislation against the procedure.

3. The argument about Bush and the decline of the economy is overspent --- the economy was on a decline prior to Bush taking office. Why does is seem that whenever a president takes office during the uprise of the economy he gets credit for it, but if he takes office when the economy is already failing, it somehow becomes his fault. It is questionable how much effect the President alone can truly have over the economy.

4. Bush is pro-military. Isn't the security of our country worth supporting??? Do we need to think of more of a reason than 9-11?

5. Bush stood up to the United Nations against Sadaam Hussein. The UN is not and will likely never be a pro-american organization. Bush was able to think and act for the well-being of his nation and the Iraqi citizens as well. Sadaam was a master of deception and misinformation. It's no wonder that more WMD have not been found. How many more mass graves with thousands of people buried in them will it take for people to realize the lack of respect for human life held by Hussein? How many more stories will we hear about Iraqis who were tortured, raped and left to fear for their lives so much that they went so far as to fake their own deaths to escape from his madness? I can't see how the Iraqi citizens would have been better off if we had stayed out of their country!!! To compare Sadaam and George once more, Sadaam had no respect for his environment. He drained thousands of acres of wetlands and destroyed almost an entire ecosystem to punish some of the Iraqi people. He dumped millions of barrels of crude oil into the ocean and set hundreds of oil fields on fire during his retreat from Kuwait. In addition, he poisoned thousands of Kurds with chemical weapons. One good thing Bush has done for the environment is remove Sadaam from power, thus preventing him from committing more environmental disasters.

6. Bush is in favor of the privatization of Social Security. Doing so would provide citizens with the ability to determine the outcome of their own retirement. It would also allow individuals to keep all the money that they have contributed to retirement. It is interesting how Democrats claim to fight for the progression of African-Americans, yet the average AA male will not receive even one-dime of all of the money that he contributes towards his Social Security (the average AA male's life expectancy is less than 65 years of age). There certainly needs to be changes made in that department!!!

7. I am for anyone who is against the socialization of health care.


That's all for now.....i am sure i will have more to say later.

[christymama]

benharperfan I agree with you. I am a Bush supporter but i havent posted on this thread for the fact that everytime I do voice my thought about being pro bush or whatever I get the third degree on it. Its sad that if our views arent as thiers are then we are wrong! : Anyhow thats a different thread LOL
I agree with the reasons you have stated So much with the military point. My dh was in the Army when Clinton was in office and let me tell you the way he "screw" his own country Military was horrible. We felt the hit! it was like to the face. No matter what your serivce memebers are doing they need the support of every american because they are out there and they are serving your country . OK OK enough i know.:
I to agree with Bush on his veiws on late term abortions. I seen someone post about bush is pro life but agrees with the death penality. I also agree with the death Penality. Heck yea most people who are on death row are people who murder and harm children. I agree they must die. Thats just me. I know i am going to get all kinds of crap for that statement but its what i feel . Maybe if it was used more often then there wouldnt be so much crime . YKWIM anyhow I think i have put myself out there enough someone will take the bait and give me the riot act i am sure: I support bush. And thats that.

[Safemommy]

Look at it this way, if someone sucombs to the death penalty, it was because they broke a law, were tried and convicted of a horrible crime.

If a baby sucombs to an abortion, it was anyone's fault EXCEPT the baby! The baby had it's rigths taken away before it was even born!

That's just how I see agreeing with the dealth penalty and at the same time being pro-life.

Laura

[jannan]

Christymama and safemommy

Most humans on death row are mentally illand need assistance. If both of you are so against abortion, don't have one.

[kama'aina mama]

What in the name of all that is good and right will it take for some people to NOT DEBATE every single thing they don't agree with? Asking politely. Nope. Begging? Nope. Shaming? Nope, I guess not. WHY???? It is not as though this is the only thread on the whole board in which you can express your opinions. It's not as though you haven't expressed these opinions many times and in many threads. Why can you not simply let it be, as requested, and let a few people have their say without constant contradiction?

[zealsmom]

Ok, I will try to give a little unbiased perspective here.
I am a Bush non-supporter, with parents who financially and any other way they can support Bush, the NRA, and generally any right wing movement that asks for their money. I have vivid memories of their support of Reagan.

This is a long-debated issue in our family. I remember being 13 at the dinner table and trying to understand where in the world they were coming from on it. We have now come to the conclusion that we will no longer "debate" it, but do frequently talk about the facts. Everytime we talk about things that are happening, it seems that more light is shed and we can actually move forward on a few issues.

So, this is what I can glean about "WHY" they support the right.

1. They tend to take the bible literally re many things, rather than seeing it as a myth that is ripe with many insights. So, it leads to some rather "us, them" viewpoints.
2. My dad did 2 tours as a green beret in the marines in Vietnam just after high school -had a very bad experience- (can you say "nnnnn nineteen.." ? ) and tends to take anything that is "anti-military" personally.
3. They are of the TV world. They mostly get their news from places like FOX, CNN, and local paper headlines (usually without reading the whole story). With state controlled television, it seems a difficult place to get the real facts, and/or an unbiased view on things.
4. They are lovely, fun people who are in fact very wealthy, and view America as "the best place in the world". They are enjoying their lifestyle and vote for legislation and politicians that will continue to make the lifestyle a possibility.

[AmyB]

I'd like to add something to the original question.

Bush is an incredibly radical president. Under his Administration we have seen reduced civil liberties and reduced opportunity for citizen input. He has shut off the flow of government information to the public so that his administration is operating more secretively than the Nixon administration. He sent our nation to war for reasons that were apparently false. His "tax breaks" strike at the services that support the middle class and seem intended to create a wealthy overlord class that will strip the middle and lower classes of political power and rob the government of the strength to halt corporate control of national policy. He's running up a huge national debt and increasing the size of government by eliminating services and building up capacity to spy on citizens.

The things Bush supporters say they like seem awfully mild compared to the fears I have about the loss of freedom and personnal opportunity that Bush's policies represent.

Do you really believe that the few things you like about Bush are worth the risk of letting him completely remodel America?

--AmyB

[Peppermint]

You mentioned the OP- So I thought I'd repost it:
"Please could you say what exactly you like about Bush and why you are glad he is president?
Also, what do you think of his energy and environmental policies?

Anti Bush folks, please, could you refrain from saying what you don't like about him, because I already know that. It's the other side I'm trying to understand.

Thanks!"

[Els' 3 Ones]

OK. I am going to explain why I posted wayyy up there with my question abt refering to Shrub as "pro-life".

Anyone that knows me here should know that I never justify my posts - don't need too - it's my right to express myself as well as anyone else's. But since I was one of the first voices of dissent and, apparently, wayyyy out of line, I'll see if I can articulate better.


It was the use of the words "pro-life". Please. Let's at least use correct terms in our descriptions of support. Shrub is "anti-abortion" (which is why most of you support him) but he is definately not "pro-life". I was simply trying to correct that verbage. NM and I did discuss it via pm - I did not realize that, as ususal, I was being obtuse.

The use of terms like that, combined with statements like " It's no wonder that more WMD have not been found." that make me unable to keep silent. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE state your support in truisms, not in spoon fed media rhetoric. THAT may be why we garner other generalizations abt the conservative right................ie: don't think independantly, only vote on one issue, etc, etc, etc.





El

[benharperfan]

Originally posted by Els' 3 Ones

The use of terms like that, combined with statements like " It's no wonder that more WMD have not been found." that make me unable to keep silent. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE state your support in truisms, not in spoon fed media rhetoric. THAT may be why we garner other generalizations abt the conservative right................ie: don't think independantly, only vote on one issue, etc, etc, etc.





El

First off, let me state that i do not feel that I should need to defend my exact choice of wording, nor should anyone else. But....if you are referring to my wording choice alone, that is one thing....or do you simply need more information or specifics on where i was headed??? Here's one: Recently US officials were led to equipment used to enrich uranium underneath a rose bush in an Iraqi scientist's backyard. It is this type of tactic that i was referring to when I was discussing the fact that I am not suprised more WMD have not been uncovered. It's not as though i took a quote from CNN.com and simply posted it into this thread. I can back up my choice of wording more, but is that really the issue here...or is it the fact that there are many valid reasons to support our president and commander-in-chief???

I also find it humorous that people choose to refer to Mr. Bush as a "murderous nazi" when Sadaam Hussein has slaughtered, raped and pillaged many more Iraqis than we probably even know of, and surely has taken the lives of more Iraqi citizens than were lost during recent war events led by our troops.

Now, i will get back to the OP request for why i support Bush....i will not defend anything else i've already written, but will simply add to it:

1. Bush has not (thus far anyway) used an intern as his personal humidor, nor has he ever been impeached or considered for impeachment.

2. Bush has not been accused or sued for sexual harassment or assault. He did not point his finger at every American during a national public address and lie straight-faced to us about his wild sexual escapades, only to take it all back a short time later and "apologize" for his mishaps.

3. Bush is not, as far as anyone is aware, attempting to dump his millions of dollars of legal bills off onto taxpayers.

4. I'm unclear as to why the arguement continues to arise that Bush is taking money from the poor and handing it to the rich. Poor people have little to no federal income tax liability. How can the poor be expected to receive a tax credit when they are not contributing to the very monies in question????? Our current tax system can be directly related to the Communist Manifesto. Last I heard, America was not a communist society.

5. America was founded on the ideals of protecting peoples that cannot protect themselves.....who could possibly need more protection than an unborn child. The plain truth is that the Bush administration is pro-life, i.e. anti-abortion.......and I, like so many other mammas, applaud that.


Enough said for now.

[Els' 3 Ones]

or do you simply need more information or specifics on where i was headed???

I was referring to your wording..........because there have been no WMDs found - unless you can give me more info???




Again, I do not wish debate. You are all fine and well to support Bush................but please do not perpetuate lies here and expect them to go unchecked.


El

[Els' 3 Ones]

Lies and all, Hilary?

Why?





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[Els' 3 Ones]

If they think something is the truth, I would like know why they think that

So would I. That's what I'm asking................no? :

[dfoy]

Let's call them "Bush supporters" - not conservatives. My dh has been a die hard conservative republican all his life - he was brought up this way. But NO WAY is he a Bush supporter. So, let's clarify: not all conservative Republicans are Bush supporters.

[Lucky Charm]

Lies and all?

Interesting that what we believe is lies, and what you do is truth. How is that?

why should i believe what you believe is truth? how can you really be sure that you arent being fed a bunch of lies? I understand differing of opinions, points of view, perspectives and all that makes us who we are, but why is it anyone on the "other side" is being fed lies?

[christymama]

AMEN Sweetbaby

[Els' 3 Ones]

Originally posted by sweetbaby3
Interesting that what we believe is lies, and what you do is truth. How is that?

why should i believe what you believe is truth? how can you really be sure that you arent being fed a bunch of lies? I understand differing of opinions, points of view, perspectives and all that makes us who we are, but why is it anyone on the "other side" is being fed lies?

Please read my posts carefully. I did not say your opinions of Shrub are lies. Did not say what you believe him to be doing (re: education, taxes, environment, et al) are lies. Did not.

I questioned the use of two terms. 1) referring to a man who has executed 1000s of innocents as "pro-life". 2) the use of the term "more" WMD's when, in fact, there have been none.

Got it now?