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Thread Starter 
One of my clients is concerned because she had this ultrasound which showed some soft signs of Downs Syndrome. She said the doctor said the baby has fluid on one of the kidneys, which is a "soft" sign of Downs.

Can anyone comment on this, share information or links? I am trying to get more information. She is calm on the outside, but worried down deep.

Thanks,
Jyotsna
post #2 of 6
I had a client with a pyelectasis that showed up by u/s.

She didn't have any other risk factors for Down's, and decided against having an amnio or any other testing done. She really believed that sometimes an u/s can show too much info, ya know?

Baby was fine.
post #3 of 6
My client just had a baby and they were doing an ultrasound b/c of another problem and noticed fluid in the kidney, the doc said he wasn't sure if it was anything, but the baby seems perfect.
post #4 of 6
I hate the level of stress that all these tests can produce- if physicians offer these tests they should also do some education and counseling to go along with it- here is one study that may pertain to your friend's situation-- accuracy is all over the place with this isolated finding.

J Ultrasound Med. 1998 Sep;17(9):539-44; quiz 545-6.

Effect of maternal hydration on mild fetal pyelectasis.

Babcook CJ, Silvera M, Drake C, Levine D.

Department of Radiology, The University of Utah Medical Center, Salt Lake City
84132, USA.

The aim of our study was to determine whether maternal hydration status prior to prenatal sonography affects fetal renal pelvic diameter. The renal pelvic diameters of fetuses from two different institutions were compared prospectively. At one institution 74 women were asked to drink 32 to 48 ounces of water prior to undergoing sonography (hydration group), whereas at the second institution, no specific hydration regimen was requested of 176 subjects. The inclusion criteria were as follows: greater than 15 weeks' gestation, otherwise normal obstetrical sonogram, normal amniotic fluid volume, and negative family history for renal disease. Renal pelvic diameter, degree of maternal bladder fullness, and gestational age were compared between the two groups using logistic regression analysis and log-linear analysis. A P value < 0.01 was considered significant. Bladder fullness in the two groups differed significantly (P < 0.001). Logistic regression analysis showed a very strong effect of maternal bladder fullness on fetal renal pelvic diameter (P < 0.001). The log-linear analysis model showed a highly significant association between maternal bladder fullness and fetal renal
pelvic diameter (P < 0.001). We conclude that maternal hydration influences fetal renal pelvic diameter. The larger fetal renal diameters seen in the hydrated group support physiologic theories that the effects of maternal hydration on amniotic fluid volume are partially mediated via fetal urine production.

PMID: 9733170 [Pubmed - indexed for MEDLINE]
post #5 of 6
Thread Starter 
I am sure this baby is fine, but as a doula I just wanted to get some more info or opinions. I know that my client bought in to the whole ultrasound, which is what got her scared in the first place. I don't blame her at all. I just hope she can see that these tests lead to inconclusive evidence. I will talk to her in person next time I see her.

Thanks everyone.

Jyotsna
post #6 of 6
During my nuchal scan they also looked for a nasal bone. Seeing the nasal bone was a good indication that I did not have Down's. I would ask if they noticed a nasal bone during the scan as well. It's a marker for Down's if it isn't visible around 11-13 weeks. Depending on how far along she is, it may be a good thing for her to ask her doctor about.

Quote:
Nasal Bone Evaluation in Fetuses With Down Syndrome During the Second and Third Trimesters of Pregnancy
Wesley Lee, MD, Greggory R. DeVore, MD, Christine H. Comstock, MD, Karim D. Kalache, MD, Beverley McNie, Tinnakorn Chaiworapongsa, MD, Giancarlo Conoscenti, MD, Marjorie C. Treadwell, MD, Anthony Johnson, MD, Raywin Huang, PhD and Roberto Romero, MD

Division of Fetal Imaging, Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology (W.L., C.H.C., B.M.), and Division of Biostatistics (R.H.), William Beaumont Hospital, Royal Oak, Michigan; Perinatology Research Branch, National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, Bethesda, Maryland (W.L., G.R.D., K.D.K., T.C., G.C., R.R.); and Hutzel Hospital, Wayne State University, Detroit, Michigan (W.L., C.H.C., M.C.T., A.J., R.R.) USA.

Address correspondence and reprint requests to Wesley Lee, MD, Division of Fetal Imaging, Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, William Beaumont Hospital, 3601 W Thirteen Mile Rd, Royal Oak, MI 48073-6769 USA.

Objective. This study examined the use of three-dimensional ultrasonography for evaluating the fetal nasal bone, as a sonographic marker of Down syndrome, during the second and early third trimesters of pregnancy. Methods. Forty fetuses, including 20 with trisomy 21, were scanned once by three-dimensional ultrasonography. A midline sagittal view of the facial profile was used to analyze the volume data. Independent examiners reviewed blinded and randomly allocated volume data sets for the nasal bone. Interobserver reliability was evaluated for the sonographic presence or absence of the nasal bone. Logistic regression determined the contribution of this parameter to the presence of Down syndrome. Results. Both examiners showed substantial agreement in scoring whether the nasal bone was visualized by three-dimensional ultrasonography (P < .001). They identified 40% to 45% of fetuses with abnormalities using the absence of the nasal bone as a sonographic marker. However, a substantial number of fetuses with abnormalities were also found to have a nasal bone present. The nasal bone was visualized in 80% to 90% of fetuses without abnormalities. Conclusions. Three-dimensional ultrasonography can be used to evaluate the fetal nasal bone with substantial interobserver agreement during the second and early third trimesters of pregnancy. A nonvisualized nasal bone identified 40% to 45% of fetuses with Down syndrome in this study.
Also here's a .pdf on soft-markers for ultrasound at 18-22 weeks.
http://www.perinatal.nhs.uk/ultrasou...markers_A5.PDF
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