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Hib and Prevnar?? HELP CONFUSED

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
My baby is 7months old. He was born 11 weeks early has had RSV, Heart surgery (congenital heart defect), and is going to be undergoing a MRA/MRV for ongoing medical problems.

He has also had a number of blood transfusions in the past 7 months.

He did get his routine vaxs at 2months before I started questioning/researching......

My question is.....our ped knows that I dont' want to vax unless for anything until I have had the time to research everything fully but he is asking that I get him another dose of Hib and Prevnar before he has these tests done in July. I don't know if anyone has any experience with these vax and their improtance in a child with his history???

Thank you I am SO confused......
post #2 of 17
Both are fairly new vaccines. You probably had neither. They do not reduce the overall number of cases of meningitis, they just change what type it is.

I wouldn't touch either of those vaxes. Ever. For anything.

-Angela
post #3 of 17
PREVNAR I would not do, it is only given up until the kids are 15 months of age, so your kiddo is almost there anyway. It is also too new and still "in testing phase" in my opinon etc.
HIB - with your kids history and possible other transfusions etc. - not sure? I guess I would do a bit more research. I am sure there is lots of info on this site regarding HIB. Maybe somebody else can tell you more.
Try the main vaxing forum for info!
post #4 of 17

Hib

Hib is the only vax we've given thus far. While I know it's just one of several types of meningitis out there, I felt that, after I researched, I was still concerned about it. It only strikes kids under 2, and the vaccine, according to Dr. Stephanie Cave in her book, seems to be safe and effective.
Just my two cents!
post #5 of 17
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It only strikes kids under 2, and the vaccine, according to Dr. Stephanie Cave in her book, seems to be safe and effective.
Just my two cents!
It's effective against the few strains in the vax. BUT it doesn't reduce over all cases. In fact it caused SUCH a spike in other types- they introduced prevnar. Want to guess what prevnar does? Yep. Causes a different type to spike.

-Angela
post #6 of 17
I recently had HIB. I am 40. I was fighting a low-level something or other for about 2.5 weeks in April when I finally went to the doctor when I started having earaches at night and hear fluid in my eustachian tubes. The doc did a thorough swab (the kind that goes to the lab for 2 days and checks for everything) and found I didn't have strep (which I thought I had) but HIB.

Me: "HIB? That thing they're vaxing for these days?"

Her: "Yeah. No one looks for it since there's a vaccine, but every time I go looking for it, I find it. Go figure. I think the vaccine's useless."

So, she gave me a prescription for Azithromycim as the HIB strain was penecillin resistent and it was gone in 5 days. No earaches in one day. My first antibiotic in about 17 years except for the antibiotic that was forced into me at the hospital during my son's birth.

My unvaxed son did NOT get it despite extremely close contact with me. I have no clue where or how I got it, neither did my doc.
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by alegna View Post
It's effective against the few strains in the vax. BUT it doesn't reduce over all cases. In fact it caused SUCH a spike in other types- they introduced prevnar. Want to guess what prevnar does? Yep. Causes a different type to spike.

-Angela
i didnt know that. thanks for the info.
post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by alegna View Post
It's effective against the few strains in the vax. BUT it doesn't reduce over all cases. In fact it caused SUCH a spike in other types- they introduced prevnar. Want to guess what prevnar does? Yep. Causes a different type to spike.

-Angela
This is nitpicking...but...

The Hib shot only protects against one of many strains of Haemophilus influenzae (the vax is for serotype B).

I don't think the Hib vax created a need for Prevnar. (I've looked into this before for hours and hours).
Prevnar is for 7 serotypes of s.pneumo bacteria (a different species of bacteria alltogether.)

It looks like, at first, for a while, the Hib vax did decrease the overall number of cases of invasive haemophilus influenzae disease, but what stepped in and brought the overall number of cases back up was serotype replacement by non-typeable Hi bacteria, and some HiA.

The Hib vax might have also increased s.pneumo infections, but there's no way to know, since no one was monitoring it (overall cases of invasive s.pneumo disease) for the first 7 or 8 years that the Hib vax was given universally.

Does that make sense?


It's a very confusing subject...
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 
thanks for the responses so far....


but I guess my question is really related to giving Hib to a kid who has had several blood transfusions, etc....along with the reality that we will be spending another round of time in the hospital with all of those germs.....

Not really looking for people to tell me that I didn't get it and I am o.k....I was also not hospitalized, didn't have open heart surgery, and wasn't given many blood transfusions...so that doesn't make me feel a whole lot better right now....
post #10 of 17
What kind of tests are they?
post #11 of 17
I wouldn't do it. Read that Hib has been linked to SIDS. I would think your baby is too fragile.
post #12 of 17
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Read that Hib has been linked to SIDS.
Where did you read that at?
post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 
He is having an MRA/MRV series to pinpoint where in his system he has a narrowing of the arteries which is going to lead to a hospital stay to fix this problem. I am SO worried about all of the germs he is going to come into contact with in the hospital.
post #14 of 17
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My unvaxed son did NOT get it despite extremely close contact with me. I have no clue where or how I got it, neither did my doc.
No, your unvaxed son almost certainly DID get it, BECAUSE of extremely close contact with you. Hib infection rarely causes symptoms. That's why the vast majority of us have never been diagnosed with a Hib-related disease, despite the fact that every last one of us was infected with Hib multiple times during childhood, multiple more times during the teen years, multiple more times during the early adult years, etc.
post #15 of 17

Hib and SIDS?

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Originally Posted by mamakay View Post
Where did you read that at?
I Googled hib and sids and came up with:
http://www.vran.org/vaccines/sids/sids-yazbak.htm

If you scroll down to the middle, there's a table that lists each vaccine, the number of reports to VAERs, the number of deaths, the number of SIDS deaths.

Hib is not implicated - that is, they say that there's not enough info to conclude that Hib causes SIDS. However HEPATITIS B is implicated - "Hepatitis B vaccination in the newborn period has generated proportionately more death reports and more SIDS reports than any other single vaccine or vaccine combination."

Hope this helps a bit!
post #16 of 17
I just posted this info sheet on Prevnar to another thread, and thought it might be useful to you as well: http://www.wyeth.com/content/ShowLabeling.asp?id=134

The efficacy study and Table 1 are probably most relevant to your question. It all boils down to: Prevnar is highly effective against the vaccine serotypes (the seven pneumococcal strains it protects against). If your son has already had a shot of Prevnar at two months, you might feel comfortable enough with his immunity not to get any more. It's something to consider, anyway.

hapersmion
post #17 of 17

Oh my goodness!

Okay, so I just took my 15-month-old to the doctor. He has only had 3 HIB, Hep B (I know, I know!), and DTaP. Anyway, the doctor tried to force me to give him the Prevnar and I just read that someone said they only give that until 15 months! So he would have been getting something he didn't even need!?:
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