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post #21 of 162
No, maybe not against the law for them to be outside, but according to my county's law:
Cats are not permitted to trespass onto property where they are not welcome
http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/bocc/pamphlet/dogzone.htm
post #22 of 162
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Originally Posted by boysrus View Post
No, maybe not against the law for them to be outside, but according to my county's law:
Cats are not permitted to trespass onto property where they are not welcome
http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/bocc/pamphlet/dogzone.htm
I find that totally bizarre. HOW do you keep a cat from wandering?
post #23 of 162
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IMO that particular "right" is violating my right
But your right to have your cat free roaming is violating their right to have their property free of stray animals.

Have you actually talked to these neighbors? They have only been there three weeks, maybe they have huge plans for their yard but are still getting settled. Maybe they have allergies to cats.
post #24 of 162
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Originally Posted by Justthatgirl View Post
I find that totally bizarre. HOW do you keep a cat from wandering?
Keep it indoors, enclose your yard, build the cat a big kennel.
post #25 of 162
If you can't figure out how to keep your cat from wandering and if your cat damages someone's gardens or fences (a neighbour cat has destroyed part of our fence using it as a scratching post) then I think the least a cat owner can do is pay for damages and come and clean up the cat feces if the cat's using the garden as a litter box.

Imagine if a neighbour dog was crapping in your yard. Would you like cleaning up after it?
post #26 of 162
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Originally Posted by boysrus View Post
Keep it indoors, enclose your yard, build the cat a big kennel.
Ours are indoor, but when I was young my cat wandered. (We lived in the country, though, so maybe that's where the difference is.)

Enclosing the yard - cats climb

Build it a kennel -- That just seems weird. Maybe it's just me and it's different, but it really just seems strange.
post #27 of 162
We have quite a few cats that roam across our back garden. I love it, and it's never bothered me. There's even one that adores love, strokes and affection and will curl up in delight at being petted. *S* on the other hand hates cats and has bought a cat repellent thing that makes a strange sound which deters them from coming into the garden... he hasn't put it up yet thank goodness.

I suppose this thread depends upon personal perspective, as naturally it would

I think that it is thoughtless that they wouldn't have the decency to speak to the OP first about their intentions.


It makes me feel uncomfortable that actions are made to 'contain' cats... animals which love to go the outdoors and roam free. I love cats though, so maybe I'm biased.

Peace

Ok, I know this thread is about cats, but it also raises the issue of ownership, control and dominion of nature, space and private property. It's an essay from Yakrider.com
http://www.yakrider.com/Poetry_n_Ess...he_machine.htm
post #28 of 162
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Originally Posted by Imogen View Post
We have quite a few cats that roam across our back garden. I love it, and it's never bothered me. There's even one that adores love, strokes and affection and will curl up in delight at being petted. *S* on the other hand hates cats and has bought a cat repellent thing that makes a strange sound which deters them from coming into the garden... he hasn't put it up yet thank goodness.

I suppose this thread depends upon personal perspective, as naturally it would

I think that it is thoughtless that they wouldn't have the decency to speak to the OP first about their intentions.

It makes me feel uncomfortable that actions are made to 'contain' cats... animals which love to go the outdoors and roam free. I love cats though, so maybe I'm biased.

Peace
Yeah, same here. I just do not think cats are meant to be contained.
post #29 of 162
I had neighbors once who built their cats an outdoor enclosure. It was really cool. They had it attached to a window with a small opening. A ramp went from the window to their enclosure. It was several levels from the ground up and had several perches for them. The cats got to go outside, but never left the enclosure.

FWIW, I really dislike stay animals on my property too. I don't want to have to worry about cat or dog feces where my kids play. Or aggressive animals harming my kids.

I wish you or your neighbors had spoken to each other to find a kind solution, but the onus is on you to keep your pets under your control.
post #30 of 162
You should have the cats microchipped ... that way the SPCA will probably call if they are picked up.

In a former house, we made an outdoor cat enclosure, about 4 feet by 6 feet, with a roof. The cats had access to it from a cat door, they had free access to both the outdoor enclosure and to all of the indoors at all times.

Talk with the neighbors. You could build a 15' by 4' outdoor enclosure for the cats, out of inexpensive materials found at Home Depot. However, they may find this to be an eyesore in your yard, they may prefer to have your cats visit.

(And even a 6' fence is not guaranteed to keep cats in!)
post #31 of 162
if they just moved in, how are they supposed to know whose cats those are> esp if they're not tagged?
post #32 of 162
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Originally Posted by a_work_in_progress View Post
I can already tell you I'm probably going to be in the minority... but I think what your neighbors did was wrong. I love cats. This morning I went outside and found that a stray cat got into my garbage. It's my own fault for creating so much garbage this week that there wasn't enough room in my garbage can. I was a bit annoyed that I have to pick up the mess, but I'm definately not mad at the owners of the cat. Then, I met the cat. She came over as I stood there looking at the garbage mess. She rubbed herself against my leg, and stood on her hind legs so I'd pet her. Kind of her way of apologizing for making the mess... "Hey, sorry for getting into your garbage, but I'm eating for 5 here!" (yup, she's pregnant). I wish I knew who owned her, so I could see about adopting one of her babies in a few months.
If she is eating out of the garbage, chances are that she's homeless. You might plan on putting out a box with old towels inside it to give her a good place to nest. Then you'll have to help adopt-out her babies!
post #33 of 162
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Originally Posted by Justthatgirl View Post
Enclosing the yard - cats climb
http://www.catfencein.com/

http://www.purrfectfence.com/

http://www.catfence.com/

30 years ago, there were lots of people writing to Mothering Magazine talking about how horrible it was laws were changing and it was becoming necessary to restrain your child in a car seat! How can the baby nurse, how will she be comforted? Now the norm on Mothering is to post in horror and sadness when a child is seen out of a car seat.

I have been reading through the Henry Huggins and screaming at the book!! Why doesn't he have that dog on a leash, and in a fenced yard? So many of the issues Ribsy was having would have been solved by containment. And why was Beverly Cleary modeling such bad behavior. But, it was the norm then to let dogs be free, because they are animals and need freedom. A pardigm shift has occurred with dogs since the 1950s, and with children since the 1970s, and I suspect that the same type of paradigm shift will occur with cats over the next decade or so.
post #34 of 162
Pets are property in the eyes of the law. Just as you don't have a right to park your car or dump your yard clippings on your neighbor's property, you also don't have a right to let you pet roam freely there because it infringes on your neighbor's property rights.

Many municipalities do have poop-scoop and leash laws on the books. It's your responsibility as a pet owner to be correctly informed about these laws and to follow them. Call your local animal control agency if you are not sure of them. Your neighbors are not obliged to work with you on a mutually agreeable solution. You are obliged to follow the local laws without any prompting.

People who think it's too hard to control their animals perhaps need to rethink the feasibility of having pets in their life.
post #35 of 162
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Originally Posted by nicole lisa View Post
It depends where you live. In most places I've lived it has been.
Are you talking about a specific apartment/condo complex or housing development mandating that cats are to be indoor cats only?

I don't think you could find a law in any state in the US banning cats from being outside. :
post #36 of 162
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Originally Posted by charmander View Post
Are you talking about a specific apartment/condo complex or housing development mandating that cats are to be indoor cats only?

I don't think you could find a law in any state in the US banning cats from being outside. :

Here is my city law

"Welcome to the City of ********* Animal Services Division, where we endeavor to protect animals from abuse, and people from animal bites and disease. We have a staff of concerned and caring individuals in the Field, Kennel, and Office willing to assist you however possible.

If you own a pet, responsible pet ownership is something expected by your friends and neighbors to ensure both their peace of mind, and the overall living conditions of our community. The law has certain requirements for every dog, cat, or ferret:

Vaccinations - rabies required annually

Licenses - renewable yearly
available at Animal Services or your veterinarian

Leash Law - leash required whenever animal is off the owner's propertyleash may be no longer than 8 feet in length

Spay/Neuter - all animals adopted or reclaimed from ASD must be sterilized.

Identification - all animals adopted or reclaimed from ASD must be microchipped
post #37 of 162
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Originally Posted by charmander View Post
Are you talking about a specific apartment/condo complex or housing development mandating that cats are to be indoor cats only?

I don't think you could find a law in any state in the US banning cats from being outside. :
Well, here's one: http://www.co.rowan.nc.us/animalshelter/leash_law.htm
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e. All female dogs and cats in heat (season) must be confined. The owner or keeper of any female dog or cat in heat must confine the animal in a building or enclosure in such manner that it will not be in contact with another dog or cat. Restraining the animal in an open area with a chain or leash to a fixed object does not constitute confinement, and is a violation of these rules.
Many municipalities have such laws.
h tp://www.ny4whales.org/wcc_catsinthecradle.html
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Because as many localities have discovered, cat owners cannot be trusted to keep their pets inside or remove strays that they feed from the outdoor environment, legal action is necessary.

Many counties, cities and even nations have already enacted cat-leash laws. For example, Marin and Columbia Counties in Florida, Cleveland, Ohio, Gaithersburg and Rockville, Maryland as well as parts of North Carolina, California, New Jersey and Louisiana all have cat leash laws. Violations of the cat leash law result in anything from a small fine to the loss of ownership rights. Cat leash legislation is pending in many states, including Virginia, West Virginia, Connecticut and New York.
I have two cats and two dogs. The cats stay inside and the dogs only go outside in a very large dog run or on a leash.
post #38 of 162
In every town I have lived in, there was a clearly defined leash law for pets not on their owners' property.
post #39 of 162
Not disputing that - but the original assertion was that pet cats were not allowed outside, which is obviously not true.
post #40 of 162
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Originally Posted by charmander View Post
Not disputing that - but the original assertion was that pet cats were not allowed outside, which is obviously not true.
I'm assuming she meant, 'off the property'. That's what I understood her to mean, anyway.
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