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post #41 of 98
s How horrible I hemmoraged ater a miscarriage so badly that I blacked out and went into shock. Very scary. I can see how you would be so upset having a great birth end that way. :

I was so blessed to find a midwife that is very hands off and does not want to interfere....unessesary intervention seems to be the cause of most birth problems. I really want someone to be "with woman", but so many of them are very medicalized and have to get in there an do something!!! 2 of the 4 I met were quite interventionist.
post #42 of 98
"i was totally exhausted at this point and just wanted to relax...30 minutes later my placenta had not yet delivered...the MW began to panic...at that point she made a serious mistake..she inserted her hand into my uterus and lifted the edge of my placenta of fthe wall of my uterus..causing me to hemmorage instantly..."call 911 now!!!"

yep--providers are taught and made to feel that they are not acting approprately if they do not try to remove a placenta . But a non-bleeding still attached placenta is not a life threat to anyone- it just isn't- Now if you were already bleeding obviously or occultly( where the placenta or a clot is preventing flow out the cervix but the fundus is enlarging) then those are reasons to go in and remove the placenta-- because blood loss is already happening and is life threatening to do nothing--
post #43 of 98
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Originally Posted by o4smommy View Post
its not like it hurts or has side effects...it was just an idea..and every birth is "normal" until something happens...and nothing seems "necessary" until we need it. hindsight is 20/20 i guess.
i have not read this complete thread but i had to respond to this.

maybe a heplock or iv doesn't hurt YOU, but it sure as heck hurt me the one time i had one in college for dehydration due to mononucleosis. i could feel it for days after.

certainly if a need arose to have one, i would consent, but as a routine procedure, i don't believe in it.

thank you for sharing your story and for the reminder to know your midwives and their experiences.

~claudia
post #44 of 98
Yep hep locks really hurt me too.

I agreed to one with my last home birth because I had a serious pph with my first, and I will never have one during labour again.

I am sorry you had a horrible experience, and I am sorry your midwife pulled on your placenta.
post #45 of 98
Thread Starter 
ok everyone!!! can we please drop the whole hep-lock thing! its annoying already!!!! forget i even mentioned it...why is everyone focusing on that? i posted my birth nightmare looking for support and kind words...
post #46 of 98


I'm sorry that what should have been a peaceful birth was marred by a nervous midwife. You have every right to be angry, traumatized, hurt, etc.

That is one of those things that scares me. Just when mom is likely to be paying the least attention, worn out from birth and trying to enjoy a lovely new person. That is NOT when we should have to be watching to protect ourselves.

Have you filed some sort of complaint against that midwife?

-Angela
post #47 of 98
Thread Starter 
well, she wont admit she did anything wrong...she said i had a retained placenta..i have the pathology report of the placenta from the hospital that shows the trauma to the placenta where she inserted her finger. (she doesnt know this) i saw her for my after birth visit, but i never went back for my 6 week f/u. i havent confronted her about it, im not a confrontational person, and i know shes going to deny any wrongdoing...i also figured if i tried to report her no one would take it seriously since i birthed at home and brought it on myself... plus im scared of retaliation... she freaked out when i hemmoraged so im pretty sure she wont be yanking on anymore placentas
post #48 of 98
I'm so sorry! Half an hour is not a retained placenta. It's terrible that she freaked out like that and messed with your awesome birth.
post #49 of 98
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Originally Posted by o4smommy View Post
well, she wont admit she did anything wrong...she said i had a retained placenta..i have the pathology report of the placenta from the hospital that shows the trauma to the placenta where she inserted her finger. (she doesnt know this) i saw her for my after birth visit, but i never went back for my 6 week f/u. i havent confronted her about it, im not a confrontational person, and i know shes going to deny any wrongdoing...i also figured if i tried to report her no one would take it seriously since i birthed at home and brought it on myself... plus im scared of retaliation... she freaked out when i hemmoraged so im pretty sure she wont be yanking on anymore placentas


Women make the educated choice to birth at home every day. This midwife should be reported and have to answer for her actions. Silence helps no one.

-Angela
post #50 of 98
The same thing happened to me when I lost my daughter (I was transferred to a hospital). Dr. reached into my uterus (hurt worse than giving birth) and I hemorrhaged. I also had to have a d&c later on for retained placenta (wonder why)...
post #51 of 98

It happened to me too!

Oh my gosh!!! I am so happy to find you, because I went through a similar experience!!! I have been looking for similar posts to mine online for a long time but no luck...ironic, I was telling my therapist today I couldn't find similar stories and bingo, I see your post! How ironic, isn't it? Like you, I need to share my story for healing and closure as well. I am so sorry about your experience and I can totally relate to you and your feelings! I'd love to talk with you more via emails, if possible...

I'm so bummed because I typed in my whole story but it turned out I was expired out or the website logged me out. Grr...

I had a second homebirth last summer--a beautiful much wanted baby girl! My first HB, with a different MW, was awesome--short, beautiful, and joyful.
This time around, a horrible experience with these 2 MW...I still am dealing with the trauma and struggling to find closure. I have been seeing a wonderful therapist since January, and I have been diagnosed with post traumatic stress syndrome...no kidding!

The birth itself was great-short and fast. However, the MWs pulled the cord (they were NOT hands-off, as promised) and they didn't let us know what had happened until my DH asked them if they pulled the placenta and they admitted yes. I was hemoraghing fast in the birth tub--the blood was pitch black and my mom knew immediately something was wrong. I felt terrible. The MWs wanted me to push the placenta out after 20 minutes and I was like "I can't yet, just let me enjoy my baby" and they kept urging me to. I stood up and the MW put her hand up there and tried to pull it out. I absolutely had NO desire to push yet. They walked me to my bed and they manually removed the placenta...it was nasty. The clots falling out, all shredded and so forth. Things started to deteroriate very bad from there. They told me I was losing so much blood, but they would administer Pitocin and that hurt like heck! I fainted at the beginning of the newborn exam/champagane toast...and I fainted 5 more times following that. They took me to the bathroom where I laid down on the cold tile floor, trying to breathe via oxygen mask. My mom was so worried, she said I was completely white, my lips were white as my skin. My eyes kept rolling back. She kept trying to wake me up as I fainted repeatedly. I already was anemic that time but was taking the liquids to help...I remember thinking, "Oh, I think we should go to the hospital, I feel awful" and I was so weak I couldn't move. MW kept feeding me crackers. My mom feels horrible guilt for not calling 911 that night because she is trained in medics and she is a police officer herself but MW kept assuring her she was overreacting and I would be fine. I am so saddened about that night, because I lost my precious time with my newborn girl...my husband was the one who held her all night while I was in the bathroom. I missed the first meeting between my firstborn and my newborn...that really hurt. I missed wrapping cloth diaper and nesting with her. That is so painful to deal with...that I lost that first night...it's like a little death.

I kept hemoragghing for the next 4 days. I was literally soaking the sheets everyday. MW kept brushing it off. I had difficulty breathing. That was the worst part of this whole ordeal...not being able to breathe and feeling suffocating. It was so scary. I had two episodes of that and MW would rush over but they lectured me, saying I got out too fast out of my bed to the bathroom. Yeah, right. I couldn't walk without support. I couldn't do anything, except to BF my baby and just watch her. I kept passing huge clots, even one tennis ball sized clot! We called MW and they assured me it was normal! No way.

My mom and my DH were so concerned that MW kept minimizing the situation. After the third episode of not breathing, my DH said "That's it, we're calling 911" and I told him to call MW first and they came over. He handed them the phone and ordered them to call 911. They DIDN'T want to! They said I would be sitting iN ER for hours and hours and it would be a waste. My husband insisted (we are deaf but can speak) and the MW looked at each other and made the call. Parademics arrived within few minutes--miraculously, my brother was on that call! It was not his usual shift but happened to pick it up. It was great balm to have him there. He was stunned. The MW also betrayed me by asking me WHICH hospital to go! They totally backed out of that decision when the parademics asked where to go. The MW kept pushing for this horrible hospital nearest my house and I was adamant that we not go there. We had covered the backup hospital and doctor during my pregnancy and the backup doctor agreed to be there for me if anything happened. But when this really happened, the MW left me in the wind! As I was being carried out on the stretcher, the MW leaned down to me and said I was a drama queen! My mom arrived, and thankfully, she directed the parademics to take me to Abbott.

When I arrived at Abbott, my hgb was down to 3! 3 units of blood transfusions were needed immediately. I was prepped for emergency surgery within 2 hours. It was determided I had retained placenta. I was BF my baby before surgery! I was in shock because of the hemoraghing, low hgb and the doctor said it was a good thing I came in at that time because I could have died. I could have had a heart attack and died. We banished the MW from our room. We were so upset with them.

Surgery lasted 3 hours...complications. Needed another bag of blood transfusion. A big mess of fragments everywhere. Doctor discovered I had a second degree tear (MWs stated I was perfect, with only skid marks after birth but I had thought they examined too long and very secretive that night) so the doctor had to sew me up as well.

It was my first time to be hospitalized. First time to have surgery. First time to be under general anthestic. First time to have IV and catherer. First time to have Pitocin in me for 3 days. Ugh. Before that terrible night, my Dh and I had reviewed the birth/post partum records left at my house and we were surprised with some info and planned to make copies but the MW took the birth records with them when I was taken to the hopsital. When I asked for the copies, they obviously manipulated the records!!! They said I denied bleeding every time they came to see me???!!! They didn't think the situation was serious at all! I did write them a letter voicing my feelings, and they wrote back saying they heard my concerns, and I should see someone. That was it! How appalling. I filed a complaint against them with the Medical Board, so we'll see how the investigation goes, it is supposed to be completed this month.

I feel so much guilt for missing out the wonderful babymoon during my daughter's first month...I know she had people who cared for her they loved her soo much she knew she was loved. But it's hard. I was so weak for 2 months. I try to tell myself she knows me and recognizes me as her Mama and she gets so excited when she sees me as compared to her as a newborn...but it's so hard. I feel so angry with the MW for robbing me of these precious times and endangering my life since they have 25 years of experience! I am angry with them for pulling the placenta, as they were supposed to be hands-off. I am angry for them for manipulating the records. Because of that, I really struggled about having another baby or not...I thought having a 3rd would give me the power to "reclaim" birth again and say I did have another glorious birth! But ultimately, we chose not to add more children to our brood, unfortunately. I can't go through it again, with the PPH and being so weak for a long time. DO I make any sense? Also to my surprise, I also found out MW had a previous complaint! I thought I had done my homework for each MW...I also feel guilt for not listening to myself during my pregnancy as I knew something would *happen* and bingo, it did. I feel guilt for working with them when I knew I would have been better off with other MW. Let go of the guilt!!!!

I also find myself feeling so emotional as my daughter's 1st birthday approaches...it's the one year anniversary....anyone feel the same way too? My therapist assures me it's normal and it will be hard. I feel so emotional whenever I see a newborn that resembles my daughter at that time, or when I see her birth pictures. I just want to have closure...any suggestions?

I'd love to hear your stories, and I'm so relieved to find this issue about "midwives who are negligent" ...I'm still for homebirth and midwives, despite my MWs...they made a really bad judgment call. I just want to understand why they did that, and I know they were way overloaded with other mommas to be. I just can't believe they put my life at risk and did not do anything. I trusted them and they betrayed me. I read everything about homebirth and techqniues for years before my first pregnancy. I loved reading all about it and watching shows. I loved being pregnant and the magical experience of birth. I was empowered and trusted myself. Now this.

I just want to find a way to be at peace about this whole terrible ordeal. I don't want to be sad every year on my daughter's birthday. Will I always feel sad? I know time and introspect will help...my therapist said 2nd and 3rd year would be better...and thank goodness for her

Thank you for letting me share my story and to "listen"...
post #52 of 98
I am a bit confused as to what happened. The mw pulled the placenta before or after the pool was black with blood? because I think that there is a good reason to be aggressive and get the placenta out if there is bleeding present -- if there was no bleeding before they pulled on the placenta then they very well could have contributed to the bleed--
I have done more expectant management than active management but I have manually removed a placenta and transferred for one to be removed- the one we transferred the placenta was in for 8 hrs or more post birth and it was partially detached but only very marginally so-- the one that I removed - the bleed before anyone even touched the cord or placenta was so brisk and the amount of lost was already as much as we normally see with the placenta -- so the blood loss was a real cause for concern- very slight movement of cord with guarding showed that something was still attached- mom passed out 3 times while getting her into the car (didn't wait for someone to come) and atleast 3 or more times in the car- I manually removed the placenta in the car- and by the time we arrive at hospital mom was not bleeding at all! but she stayed once we got there-- add to that I wasn't her mw but just visiting friend !
post #53 of 98
Hi-sorry, to clarify... the pool became black after they pulled the placenta.
post #54 of 98

midwife

Something just doesn't sound right here...........even if this was this midwifes first birth attended, one of the very early rules you learn is that you DON'T pull on anything!!!!!!!! Sorry this happened, but even though the birth is not how you dreamed and hoped it would be, you are fine, and so is baby.........Life, it's up and down,.......I get upset when I think of not knowing how to nurse properly for many of my children.......we can't go back and do over(dang it!!!!), so we need to count all our blessings and be thankful...........look how many people you were able to reach and give a 'heads up'........this is how we learn.......blessings to you and your family....... and thank-you for sharing.
post #55 of 98
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i would love to hear all your feedback..and any other similar experiences
I am so sorry for you...my MW "gently tugged" my placenta to "help" it deliver. I hemorrhaged and then hemorrhaged again 2 days later as (apparently) a portion of my placenta was still adhered to my cervix (it needed to be removed surgically). The nurse stuck a pad between my legs and said she'd be back to check my in 20 min., all the while blood was pouring out of me. I had to call my parents on my cell and make them come to the hospital and demand that I be seen by a doctor (my father is a lawyer). Up until that point, I had never been seen by a Dr., the Dr. was just giving my orders over the phone. My hemoglobin dropped to a 4. I had 3 blood transfusions in all (thankfully, one was in between the 2 hemorrhages or I would surely be dead). I still see women here all the time gushing over the hospital where I birthed and the MWs (cuz it's a pretty hospital that has a nice birthing tub). I used to talk about my expereince, but people seemed to not want to hear it.

My second birth was an emergency c-s due to a transverse breech and I am not a VBAC candidate due to the way they needed to cut me to safely deliver DD#2. Unfortunately, I will never have a "healing" birth experience. I will never have a trauma-free natural birth. Never.

ETA:
Sarita-My DD's first b-day was really difficult for me as well. I also have/had a difficult time watching video from shortly after she was born and seeing her newborn photos (I'm not in any of them). It has gotten better over time. Part of it has just been a process of letting go of the "dream" and accepting that this was my experience. It's hard to explain and I keep deleting what I write because I'm afraid that it will be minunderstood, so I'll leave it as in my experience, it has gotten less difficult over time.
post #56 of 98
I'm very sorry this happened to you. I hemmorraged at my unattended homebirth. My daughter had a short cord. Labor stalled for four hours AFTER transition. Babies have and can choose to release a hormone during labor that overides the mom's natural pitocin and causes labor to stop. This happens sometimes in cases of cord entaglement or a short cord, like our daughter had. She remembers having the cord wrapped around her leg, and using all of her strength to be born. She remembers clawing, pinching, squeezing, punching, kicking, biting and tugging at the placenta to get it loose before her birth. She remember's feeling trapped, and a whole life and death scenario where she had to think, and perform manuvers to survive. Chunks of shredded placenta came out before her head was delivered. Babies have 150% oxygen and can live for 1/2 an hour after the placenta detaches before they are born because their blood contains extra oxygen for just such scenarios. So, if the placenta detached, she was on a time limit to be born or die in a certain amount of time. When she was born her skin was very pink, and she was covered with thick white vernix. What I didn't understand is that the placenta looked complete. I trickle hemmoraged for a couple hours, my fundus wouldn't stay tight. I didn't have any money for herbs like angelica or shephards purse that midwives use at births to stop hemmorage and bring the placenta, so my plan was just to go to the hospital for a shot of pitocin in the case of a hemmorage. When i went to stand up, I passed out. My sister and husband had to carry me down a flight of stairs and to the car. I knew I would be ok with a shot of pitocin and I told them not to be afraid, that as soon as I got the shot I would be fine and really we left in time. They gave me a shot at the hospital, then, they sent me home with chunks of placenta still inside of me. The next day I passed a succenturiate placental lobe, a extra placental lobe with a vein on it. When I called to tell the hospital they said it was a blood clot. Blood clot my ass! Blood clots don't have veins people! After 3 weeks I had a uterine infection and had to have a d&c to remove all the extra pieces of placenta, and it was during the uterine infection where I almost died. Those antibiotics saved my life. I never took antibiotics for years and these were the strongest possible. They worked really well. I froze my placenta and just last year (six year's later) examined the placenta with an experienced midwife. She found the vein that went out to the edge of the placenta. She said only the most experienced of midwife would have caught it and she is not suprized even the hospital would have missed it for sure.
post #57 of 98
Gosh, that is awful and I feel sorry that you had such a bad experience. It is not easy to choose a good midwife. But it is not easier to choose a good doctor. You need to find someone who can take good care of you, and of course you can find someone who does not. But I do not believe that births in the hospital are safer than at home, especially not in the United States. Their statistics are extremly bad!!! Actually, all W European countries have better statistics than the States. In Germany, by law, there has to be a midwife with you even if you deliver in the hospital. Even if you have a c -section the doc has to have a midwife their as well.

The Dutch have the best Statistic in the whole world and in the Netherlands every 3rd baby is born at home!!! Makes you wonder....
post #58 of 98
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Originally Posted by o4smommy View Post
I was left with a feeling of longing, for a beautiful peaceful birth that i was denied.
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my Midwife stripped my membranes trying to get my body to go into labor ( i aggreedto this). So i started getting desperate when that didnt get my labor going..i did alot of research and decided to try castor oil.
I'll try to go through and give some feedback. The beautiful peaceful birth camp is usually nauseated at the use of castor oil. They aren't fans of membrane stripping, it's not so lovingly called MEDwifery to do things like that. They might find castor oil appauling. It is a substance so toxic to the body that the body reacts violently in the bowel to release itself of it. That's why it works, because of the violent diarrea. It causes the mom to tire quickly, causes her hemorroids, and can cause the baby harm. The castor oil crosses the babies placenta to the baby. This has the same effect on the baby as the mom, so the baby could pass meconium before birth and have fetal distress. Castor oil induction is believed by some to be an abuse of women.

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..i was totally exhausted at this point and just wanted to relax.
could be exaustion secondary to castor oil induction. Which makes me wonder about the exaustion hemmorrage connection I seem to remember something about.

I thought it might be helpful if you could see my notes from midwifery school on handling a difficult 3rd stage. I feel kind of awkward with some of the midwife blaming that goes on at hemmorrages or stillbirths. Sometimes women hemmorrage, sometimes babies die during labor, and mom's do too.

From my notes I can't tell if she made a serious mistake as you say or not.


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30 minutes later my placenta had not yet delivered...the MW began to panic...at that point she made a serious mistake..she inserted her hand into my uterus and lifted the edge of my placenta of fthe wall of my uterus..causing me to hemmorage instantly..."call 911 now!!!" she shouted.blood flowed out of me like a waterfall
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from my notes from Dr. John Stevenson on proper handling of 3rd and 4th stage difficulties "3rd stage is the time between the birth of the baby and the delivery of the placenta. Hemmorrage is usually caused by rushing the placenta. There have been 3 or 4 cases notes in history where the placenta took up to 24 hours. But usually if no sign of bleeding, pushing urge or discomfort, the instructions are to leave the placenta alone for 1/2 hour. Interferance is BAD management. If placenta does not separate within 1/2 an hour then rest assured there will no hemmorrage when it does separate. By then the placenta area is consolodated and dried up. As soon as the baby is born watch closely for hemmorrage. Scoop up the blood with a dish. When blood gets to a pint or 1/2 of a litre, that is when I tell the mother that she should stop bleeding. that is the appropriate time to ask her to push the placenta out. Hold breath and push while you pull gently on the cord. As the placenta is delivered, the membranes should follow easily. If not, twist memebranes like a rope and pull gently coax to separate from the uterus without tearing. Someone simulaneously massage uterus through mother's abdomen. Hold breath push. less common/hemmorrage/stuck placenta. limit traction. pull very gently. If she has already lost a pint, hold breath, pull on cord w/ a wobbly motion and massage uterus at the same time from pubis to umbilicus, while maintaining traction. Make a mental picture of the placenta being anchord by the cord traction while you peel the uterus off the placenta upwards. Patience and perserverance might be necesssary. Ask mother to kneel or squat over basin while doinng the same thing. Get into empty bath for this. Don't give pitocin before placenta is out. Don't push on the fundus. And here are his instructions for low lying placenta like you had. troublesome bleeding/placenta low. reach up w/ 2 fingers and find bottom of placenta, distinguish it from cervix. Cervix thick and soft, placenta much firmer. Take pair of sponge forceps or ring forceps. Slide up 2 fingers onto placenta, get good grip of the placenta, about 1/2 way across, not just on the edge. Rotate it, rotating movement will peel membranes off of uterus. Ask mom to push at the same time as you draw down only if the cord has snapped. "
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My point is ladies...please be sure you thoroughly know your MW's and there back ups....make sure they have all the supplies...PLEASE make sure that your mw doesnt not pull on the cord or insert her hand into your uterus in order to manipulate your placenta in any way
I don't think a lack of supplies was your problem. It sounds like you had a problem with your placenta...or maybe with the management of it, but which supplies exactly are you talking about. DEMS don't carry IV's usually, CNM's do, I think. I think you might be giving dangerous advise to never let your midwife pull on the cord or place her hand inside the uterus. Sometimes this is necessary. I'm glad you survived. It looks like she did a great job of recognizing the emergency for what it was and calling 911.

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postpartum hemmorage is the #1 cause of maternal death..I almost became a stastistic..make sure you dont..

i would love to hear all your feedback..and any other similar experiences
Well, before you blame your midwife entirely, I think taking responsibility for your part with the castor oil would be helpful. Exausted moms hemmorrage more I do believe. Did you hemmorrage at all before the delivery of the placenta? Did she try to do any of the things listed here in the notes like gently pulling on the cord while you pushed before reaching in?
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I'm so sorry! Half an hour is not a retained placenta. It's terrible that she freaked out like that and messed with your awesome birth.
But we weren't there. We do not know if she had already lost enough blood, and if that was the case, the placenta needed to come out.
post #60 of 98
{{{{{huuggss}}}}}}}

I really feel for you. I had these beautiful thoughts of a great home birth myself that went to crap and I was a transfer and delivered my son at the hospital.. PM me if you want to talk hun..
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