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post #21 of 67
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Originally Posted by QueenOfThePride View Post
Asking for information and opinions is OK, but no one is allowed to ever argue in favor of routine infant circumcision, because there aren't any benefits.
So, basically, it's okay to ask the OP's question, but anybody that answers "yes" to it is going to get in trouble?

(Just curious, not trying to start anything.)
post #22 of 67
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Originally Posted by chinaKat View Post
So, basically, it's okay to ask the OP's question, but anybody that answers "yes" to it is going to get in trouble?

(Just curious, not trying to start anything.)
Yeah, basically. Doesn't make much sense.

But anyway -- hell no. It's incredibly cruel and torturous, and to subject a human being to such terrific pain is downright disgusting.
post #23 of 67
No. DH doesn't know this yet, but no. I'm pretty sure he is unaware of the debate, as many people are. I'm pretty sure it's a boy, so this discussion is coming.

I'm so glad DD was a girl bc I was ignorant on the subject when she was born. MDC has taught me a lot.
post #24 of 67
Since my first baby was born nearly 16 yrs ago, I always had the same thought a few posters have shared already. I said, "I would never slice off my daughter's labia, why on earth would I slice off my son's penis tip?" And that explains it for me.

There will come a day that the barbaric practice is outlawed. And that day can't come too soon !
post #25 of 67
If our baby is a boy, we intend to leave him intact, after all, babies are born that way. I think it's wrong to do otherwise.

It should be easy for me then, right? But I do have some slight guilt issues, though I know it might sound strange. My husband is a Jew, and to him circumcision is an important part of his culture. It is their covenant with god and he wanted to pass that along to his sons. We were not going to have anymore children after dd, because we both felt so strongly opposite about it. But he decided after some time that since it was so important to me, we would not circumcise if we had a male child, so long as I would not try to dissuade that child from making the decision to be circumcised if he chose to do so when he became older, to be in accordance with Judaism.(which seems more than fair to me)

I love my husband. He is ultra-supportive about all my ideas about birthing and parenting, and this was the one thing that was really important to him. I feel like I took something away from him. I feel like I took a part of his culture, his past, and who he is away from him. And this feels a little wrong too.

I think personally think it's not okay to circumcise, or in any way mutilate someone with out their consent. I mean, I don't even think it's right to pierce babies ears! But I also think it's slippery slope to be intolerant, or judgemental of other's religious or cultural practices if they don't fit in your moral paradigm.

So I hope you understand when I say, I will breath a big sigh of relief if this one is another girl...
post #26 of 67
Nope. Dh is circ'd and trying to restore his foreskin. He hates that his parents did that to him.
post #27 of 67
no way!
post #28 of 67
wait-- but what are the *reasons*, other than "it's barbaric"? i'm honestly asking for information. Particularly, what are the reasons that are strong enough to override millenia-old cultural and religious beliefs (see Jewish Covenant With God)?
post #29 of 67
I circed my 6 yr old Ds due to iggnorrance I was convinced that he would have chronic infections if left intact and he would be made fun of- so sad hose were my reasons but I was young and misinformed- My ds has also had problems w/ the skin growing onto his penis

Will I circ again NO I am well infrmed now and just cannot see torturing my child- if my child wants it done later in life it can still be done but you can never put foreskin back! My DH is not to happy about my no circ desicion but he will get over it! He just worried about the boys looking differnt when naked!
post #30 of 67
Somewhere on this forum I read some posts by one or more Jewish mom's who decided not to circ. Maybe someone can point you to those posts?

Up here, it is no longer (?) routine practice to circ. And I come from Europe anyway where this is just not done. The idea never occurred to me before I came to this forum and then I was so shocked. First chance, I asked my midwife whether or not the hospital would try something like this.
post #31 of 67
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Originally Posted by cicely_m View Post
wait-- but what are the *reasons*, other than "it's barbaric"? i'm honestly asking for information. Particularly, what are the reasons that are strong enough to override millenia-old cultural and religious beliefs (see Jewish Covenant With God)?
There are lots of reasons. Look at the resources in the Case against Circumcision forum. It was very eye-opening to me.

For me, the most important thing is the experience of it--pain, fear, and a trauma so deep that babies go into shock (or as others would incorrectly label it, "sleep very deeply for hours afterwards"). Others think it's an issue of bodily integrity, that you don't cut off parts of people's bodies without their permission. Others argue that if we did this to girls there would be no end to the protests. Still others argue long-term effects such as all the things that can go wrong (including death), injury to the penis, and lost sexual sensitivity.

And then there's the disgusting history of routine infant circumcision in the U.S., involving a theory about the prevention of masturbation and the observation that men who were circumcised had fewer penis-related infections--yeah, in the trenches in WWI...so I need to circumcise my son why?

I'm not an expert, but that's basically what I've gathered over the last couple years. Given all that, why on earth would I ever do that to my son? I'd much rather face a few quizzical looks from my family, who can just get over it.

I believe it is against the UA to argue about circumcision for religious reasons, or something like that.

HTH!
post #32 of 67
I will not. And I'm Jewish. Well, Catholic and Jewish, and I don't observe Jewish law anymore. But it's astonishing to me how many people feel they have to visit their faith upon thier sons but don't follow Jewish law themselves. Imho, unless the Jewish family in question strictly follows one of the branches of Judaism that follows all laws as literally as possible, with no allowances for changes due to changing times, then there is no logical leg to stand on. (I think it's wrong for the law-following Jews to do it too, but at least it's logical.)

As for Christian who circ for religious reasons, well, don't even get me started other than to suggest reading the NT.
post #33 of 67
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Originally Posted by cicely_m View Post
wait-- but what are the *reasons*, other than "it's barbaric"? i'm honestly asking for information. Particularly, what are the reasons that are strong enough to override millenia-old cultural and religious beliefs (see Jewish Covenant With God)?
Um.... what more reason do you need to NOT sexually alter a newborn?

-Angela
post #34 of 67
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Originally Posted by cicely_m View Post
wait-- but what are the *reasons*, other than "it's barbaric"? i'm honestly asking for information. Particularly, what are the reasons that are strong enough to override millenia-old cultural and religious beliefs (see Jewish Covenant With God)?
For the reasons, please see the Case Against Circumcision forum on this site. It is full of reasons.

We aren't really allowed to debate this kind of issue anywhere else, so we can't say much that is specific. (I had an unrelated thread completely deleted because someone started advocating circing.)

There is a section there for Jewish people who don't circ too.
post #35 of 67
This baby is a girl, and no we won't be circ'ing.

If she were a he we definatly wouldn't be circ'ing.

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post #36 of 67
I think bodily integrity is a pretty good reason. Why are we born this way, if this is not the way we are supposed to be? People do all sorts of things because of tradition that makes no to sense to ME-scarification, lip plates, neck rings, etc. I don't know that it's right to pass judgment about them. I'm not sure that it's right to call someone barbaric for these things. But I do think that altering a person's body without his or her consent is not right. Babies can't consent. You wouldn't circumcise an adult without permission from him. A baby is a tiny human being, they deserve the same rights and dignity as any other person.
post #37 of 67
post #38 of 67
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Originally Posted by cicely_m View Post
Particularly, what are the reasons that are strong enough to override millenia-old cultural and religious beliefs (see Jewish Covenant With God)?
Here is an MDC "tribe" you may find interesting (mamas who are Jewish or Muslim and against circumcision):

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=239177
post #39 of 67
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Originally Posted by melissakc View Post
No. DH doesn't know this yet, but no. I'm pretty sure he is unaware of the debate, as many people are. I'm pretty sure it's a boy, so this discussion is coming.
Here's an article for YOU to read (NOT to show your dh--just for you to read and think about.)

http://www.stopcirc.com/vincent/vuln...ty_of_men.html
post #40 of 67
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Originally Posted by cicely_m View Post
wait-- but what are the *reasons*, other than "it's barbaric"? i'm honestly asking for information. Particularly, what are the reasons that are strong enough to override millenia-old cultural and religious beliefs (see Jewish Covenant With God)?
I have three boys who are all circ'd, one who was re-circ'd at 18 months b/c of complications.

If I knew then what I know now, I could have saved them a completely unnecessary surgical procedure that has permanently altered their body. I am not aware of any other surgical procedure that a parent is allowed to routinely put their child through just b/c of cosmetic reasons that will permanently alter the function of part of their body. My boys will never have all the sensations God gave them b/c of my ignorance. I permanently altered their bodies and that can never be undone.

I put my middle son through a second circ b/c of complications from the first one. I didn't look into the subject until a poster on MDC brought it up to me. I could have saved my sons' from this procedure had I just looked into the facts, but it never occured to me to do that. I met the poster on MDC and he was able to convey all the information to me about circ. It was really difficult to face what I had done to my boys. I was able to save my youngest son from the same interventions his brother had to endure due to the complications from his first circ (adhesions).

Please visit the Case Against Circumcision and read the sticky with the regrets from people who have circ'd their boys. My story is in their somewhere as well.
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