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post #41 of 67
6/12/07 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by chinaKat View Post
So, basically, it's okay to ask the OP's question, but anybody that answers "yes" to it is going to get in trouble?

(Just curious, not trying to start anything.)
No, you can say yes you will do it, for instance MDC has NO stance on religious circumcision.

But you can not advocate other people to do it, and if you do admit to wanting to do it expect the backlash from the people who are pro human rights for keeping babies bodies whole.
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post #42 of 67
6/12/07 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by cicely_m View Post
wait-- but what are the *reasons*, other than "it's barbaric"? i'm honestly asking for information. Particularly, what are the reasons that are strong enough to override millenia-old cultural and religious beliefs (see Jewish Covenant With God)?
Circumcisiion is not a thousand years old for how it is used today.

It started in the early 1900's, thats less than a century ago. People have done it for religious reasons since the dawn of time but in the early 1900's doctors prescribed circmcision without anesthetic to adolescents to curb masturbation.

When they decided that the practice was a little to barbaric (mind you originally they were doing clitorectomies to girls for the same reason) they decided to do this neo natal.


Look up the history of circumcision in america and all the diseases it claimed to cure. Epilepsy, Blindness, Parapalegics. No I am not kidding. It is medicaly documented that people who were paralyzed from the waiste down were paralyzed due to an infected foreskin and when the foreskin was removed they could learn to walk again.





Circumcision in america is not how the religious starts intended it to be. And some religions such as Christianity actually forbid the act because Jesus came to remove the blood sacrifices and put them on his shoulders.


Anyways, goto CAC for all the info needed. that is the best place to ask questions like this, you will get people fully educated with the answers to answer your questions.



ETA:
Sorry I type fast when talking about circ, please ignore grammar errors
post #43 of 67
6/12/07 at 1:01pm
If this is a boy we will not be circing!! Owen is in tact and I am so glad that I didn't circ him.
I was really uninformed when I got pregnant with him, and at one point I just didn't have an opinion on it. I told DH that he could decide.
Then I learned more and told DH that he would have to circ him over my dead body!
Okay, I really only told him that if he wanted to circ him that he had to go in the room while they hacked off part of the baby's penis. I think that was enough to change his mind.

I have a few friends who circd, and when I have changed their son's diapers I want to cry. It just looks wrong on a baby. You can tell that they were altered, it is really really creepy looking if you are used to seeing only in tact boys. It breaks my heart that so many parents are doing this to their babies here in the US.
post #44 of 67
6/12/07 at 1:28pm
Never.

Please visit The Case Against Circumcision Board here at MDC.
post #45 of 67
6/12/07 at 2:40pm
no way! my ds is keeping his foreskin (unless he decides to chop it off) (which i would support being it's HIS decision and all, but i would be a little sad)
post #46 of 67
6/12/07 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by A&A View Post
Here's an article for YOU to read (NOT to show your dh--just for you to read and think about.)

http://www.stopcirc.com/vincent/vuln...ty_of_men.html
Thank you, A&A! That is exactly what I was looking for. I even started a thread about this in CAC, how do I talk to my circ'd DH about this without lighting a whole emotional fire in him? I didn't get much in the way of specific suggestions, so I really appreciate it. What a great article!
post #47 of 67
6/12/07 at 3:26pm
We circ for religious reasons. If you're Jewish or Muslim and believe it to be a religious obligation... then it's a different debate IMHO than if you're of another faith. If you're not Jewish or Muslim, I can't see why one would do it. Having said that, there are some Jewish and Muslim mamas who do not circ. I think not circ'ing is more rare in Muslim circles... but I could be wrong. The movement may be growing... and it could be coming from some of the Muslims in Europe where RIC is very uncommon.

Most Muslims that I know of (other than Turks in Turkey) circ at birth or shortly after, in a hospital, with anesthesia, etc. Some in the States actually hire a mohel from the Jewish community as there really isn't the concept in Islam.

Not sure if I need to add this, but I'm referring to circumcision of male infants. Female circumcision pre-dates Islam and has been denounced by many prominent Muslim clerics... especially in Egypt, where it is prevalent and is practiced by Egyptians of all faiths--including Christians.

I also need to say that I've seen what some of the anti-circ sites say about Muslim circumcision rituals... and the information is either extremely outdated (19th century), not based on fact, or particular only to the country of Turkey and thereby misleading. I attended both of my son's circumcisions (one in the States, one in a pediatric surgeon's office in Egypt) and none of them bore any resemblance whatsoever to any of the videos or descriptions I've seen on these sites regarding Muslim or non-Muslim circ.
post #48 of 67
6/12/07 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by Houdini View Post
I circ'd my boys and regret it more than I could ever imagine. If I were to have anymore kids, there is no way I would circ.

You can PM me if you have questions about my circ experience.

I second the recommendation for Case Against Circumcision. They have a lot of passionate people on there about the topic. There is also a sticky at the top where mamas have posted about regretting circs and why they regret the decision.
Same here. I circ'd my ds due to ignorance. My gut told me NOT to do it but I was pressured and did it. I would NEVER do it again. Everytime I look at ds penis, I feel terrible guilt. I would never want to feel that again.
post #49 of 67
6/12/07 at 4:03pm
Nope never in a million years...My son is intact and perfectly healthy..I agree that you should check out THE case against circumcision!
post #50 of 67
6/12/07 at 5:04pm
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Originally Posted by Isis View Post
Same here. I circ'd my ds due to ignorance. My gut told me NOT to do it but I was pressured and did it. I would NEVER do it again. Everytime I look at ds penis, I feel terrible guilt. I would never want to feel that again.
See...you were one up on me b/c I didn't even have the gut feeling not to do it....I didn't even question any aspect of it until I was talked to on MDC.
post #51 of 67
6/12/07 at 5:43pm
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Originally Posted by umsami View Post
We circ for religious reasons. If you're Jewish or Muslim and believe it to be a religious obligation... then it's a different debate IMHO than if you're of another faith. If you're not Jewish or Muslim, I can't see why one would do it. Having said that, there are some Jewish and Muslim mamas who do not circ. I think not circ'ing is more rare in Muslim circles... but I could be wrong. The movement may be growing... and it could be coming from some of the Muslims in Europe where RIC is very uncommon.
I would also circ for religious reasons (I don't see any reason for it to be done routinely). As far as I'm concerned brit milah is an absolute religious obligation. Period.

Not circumcising is still very rare amongst Jews. It's probably the most followed tradition there is.
post #52 of 67
6/12/07 at 7:38pm
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Originally Posted by melissakc View Post
Thank you, A&A! That is exactly what I was looking for. I even started a thread about this in CAC, how do I talk to my circ'd DH about this without lighting a whole emotional fire in him? I didn't get much in the way of specific suggestions, so I really appreciate it. What a great article!
You're welcome! :
post #53 of 67
6/12/07 at 7:47pm
never never never
post #54 of 67
6/12/07 at 7:48pm
Good gracious, NO!!! If we're ever blessed to have a son, we will NOT be ripping/cutting/mutilation him.
post #55 of 67
6/12/07 at 7:55pm
No way! My DS is circed. You can read his stories in my siggy. I would never circ another son.
post #56 of 67
6/12/07 at 8:27pm
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Originally Posted by CalenandEllasmomma View Post
No way! My DS is circed. You can read his stories in my siggy. I would never circ another son.
OMG, I just read your story and I just want to cry. Thank goodness that you now know the truth and can help to stop others from making the same mistake.

My two children are both intact, both my 8 year old son and my 5 year old daughter. I believe circumcision is barbaric.
post #57 of 67
6/12/07 at 8:40pm
I think it's great that you're finding out about circ before baby comes. It's a good question to ask if you have questions
post #58 of 67
6/12/07 at 8:44pm
Sarah, I am so glad you are giving thought to this now while you are pregnant instead of once the baby is born and you are unprepared and pushed into a decision.

Good for you for wanting to be informed!

Here is a great article on the matter:

http://www.mothering.com/articles/ne...ting-kids.html


BTW, my son (my second child) is intact (not circumcised) and I am so happy with my decision. Had my first child been a boy then he probably would have been circumcised - luckily she was a girl and since then we have had the opportunity to become more educated on circumcision and know that it is completely unneccesary.

Best wishes,
Tracy
post #59 of 67
6/12/07 at 8:53pm
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wait-- but what are the *reasons*, other than "it's barbaric"? i'm honestly asking for information. Particularly, what are the reasons that are strong enough to override millenia-old cultural and religious beliefs (see Jewish Covenant With God)?
I answered this quite well. It is NOT my place to authorize someone to cut off a piece of another person's body. It is THEIR choice whether or not they want their entire body.
post #60 of 67
6/12/07 at 10:03pm
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Originally Posted by SaraBravo View Post
are you going to circ? what are your thoughts?
My first two boys are circ'd. When I was expecting #1 I had already had several miscarriages, and was so focused on just staying pregnant long enough for him to survive, I never thought much about parenting issues. I let his dad decide about the circ issues. Our doctor actually tried to talk us out of it, but he wouldn't have it. Then when number two came along I really didn't want to circ but DH insisted upon him, and the hospital bullied me into it. The birth was ultra-traumatic, and I was past fighting.

For number three, also a boy, I stayed home for the birth. I put my foot down and told his father that if he wanted him circ'd he'd have to take him to the Doctor and hold him through the proceedure himself. I told him that I wouldn't have anything to do with it, and that if my son ever asked about it I'd tell him who did it to him. This was after sharing loads of information with him about why the foreskin should be left alone.

So, I have two that are circ'd and one that is intact. I wish they were all intact.

Kiley