Originally Posted by siennasmom
Preggie, I'm trying to understand what you're saying. I've Googled. I found one page that said that some guy in Michigan got five of his kids taken away by CPS but one was returned because he didn't have a birth certificate and therefore didn't belong to the government. I find that completely nonsensical. If you think not having a birth certificate means the government won't "own" you, I think you're being naive. In the US, the government can lock people up and throw away the key in contravention of law and our very founding principles. They'll do what they want to do whether or not you have a particular piece of paper. I think you're much more likely to encounter problems from not having a BC than you are to thwart problems by not having one, but that's just me.
If you read my posts, you will have already read that I do have BCs for our children specifically because the gov't DOES violate the rights of the human being to live as sovereign. In my previous posts, I have included information concerning the gov't's perpetration of a registration system specifically for its own economic gain and my loss of authority in my life, family and belongings amongst other things, and also that, In Canada, a Supreme Court Justice has set a precedent merging both the 'legal person' and the 'natural person' who were previously distinct from one another, that we have no recognised UCC, and SOoooo, choosing to not have a BC is just as dangerous as having one, but for different reasons. Perhaps you will go back and re-read or read for the first time my posts, which I think have been reasonably clear.
It is clear that to not register the births of our dc here would be hazardous, which is why I wrote that we have chosen alternate methods for preparing to live autonomously that do not include removal of ourselves from the system, as that is not possible any longer. Currently the fine for not registering a birth within 30 days is up to $50,000 (for the merged 'person'- legal or natural) and to start my own system of registration, according to the Vital Statistics Act of Canada is punishable by imprisonment.
I believe the gov't has engineered language such that we have tacitly accepted the merger of the corporate entity begun with what looks like our names at birth (strawman or dummy), and the natural human being, the one that is flesh and blood. Most would not hesitate to call themselves 'tax-payers', 'drivers', 'citizens' or 'residents', etc... These titles used to be distinct from the natural person because it is against the Universal Declaration of Human Rights to compel a natural man to action (statutes, legislation and acts compel action; the law simply punishes)- this compulsion is what we have previously recognised and called 'slavery' but now affectionately term 'duty.' The majority of this engineering was done before I was born, and now it is too late for me to act according to my Human Rights, so my family has found other ways to live that do not endanger the sanctity of our home. I don't see what is 'naive' about that.
I think that most would need more than an hour or two to begin to learn how to navigate through gov't documentation and all of the Acts, including the Interpretation Act, (so-called) Common Law, Civil 'Law', statutes and legislations, accepted definitons according to the various Acts, precedent-setting court cases, IMF and world economic trends as recorded and reported by the nations and their master (the IMF), and also the plethora of misinformation on this very broad topic. Perhaps you would consider at least making a solid attempt before assuming that you're 'googling' during the past few hours would render you capable of refuting what has been read and understood by many already, from whom you might be able to learn something new.
It is ironic that you assume that I am naive given that not only have I spent years of my life thinking what you are presenting here (I would be confident to guess that most did at one point; we were all taught the same things- I have not just arrived from another planet...), but have surpassed that with a more indepth and accurate understanding of what is now and what has taken place. I may be naive in the grand scheme of things, but I don't think that I would qualify according to your implied definition, at least, for that descriptor, nor do I think you are particularly qualified to assess my
understanding at this point.
Please feel free to either look further into this, or to dismiss it at your leisure; if you dismiss it, then why continue to impede an otherwise potentially engaging discussion? I do hope, however, for your sake, that you will continue instead to research and learn where you stand concerning your innate and inalienable right to freedom.