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post #21 of 269
6/19/07 at 1:27pm
its a childrens novel. I can't see it being that stark.

V.
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post #22 of 269
6/19/07 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by kathirynne View Post
[B]Lord Voldemort: Will he live or die? Lord Voldemort will be vanquished, but he will not die. (And his defeat will have something to do with his continued underestimation of the power of love.)
darn, I dont' have my book in front of me. But I have a passage marked in HBP where DD is talking about Tom Riddle. I think that this is why DD was happy that VM had taken some of harry's blood. He introduced love into himself. The thing that Tom Riddle needed as a child and could grasp. Tom is still in there. The last of the souls. Harry has to get to him and save him...with the love of a mother.

V.
post #23 of 269
6/19/07 at 1:31pm
just keep posting...just keep posting...

another reason that I believe this is if you read the books, DD sometimes talks about LV and sometimes he talks about Tom Riddle as if they are not the same person. And he always calls him Tom. The conversation is the MOM between then is very interesting.

V
post #24 of 269
6/19/07 at 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by tboroson View Post
It is my theory that Snape was there under the invisibility cloak, like Harry was on the tower, and alerted DD.

Horcruxes. Well, JKR has already shot down a lot of my theories: Harry is not a Horcrux.

Who else dies? I think McGonagle will die.

Other creatures: I really want to know if Hermione's ever going to succeed in freeing the house elves.

Ollivander: I think he's a Death Eater. At the beginning of book 1, when Harry bought his wand, Ollivander tells him that it's very curious, because the phoenix that gave the feather to that wand gave only one other feather, and that one went into Voldemort's wand. Er... how did he know that? Voldemort would have been Tom Riddle when he bought his wand. Purportedly, nobody except Dumbledore knew that Voldemort used to be Tom Riddle. So how did Ollivander know that Tom Riddle's wand eventually wound up being Voldemort's wand?
To the theory that Snape was under the Invisibility Cloak on the night the Potters died, JKR said simply, "No, he wasn't." That she bothered to shoot down this theory at all is neat.

Harry as Horcrux- JKR has not shot this down or confirmed it. But I refuse to believe it, not if it means Harry has to die.

McGonagall- I think that was her brush with death.

Hermione is going to be a barrister and represent all sorts of repressed beings in magical Britain.

Well, Slughorn knew Tom Riddle became Lord Voldemort. But you're right, that doesn't explain how Ollivander knew. He certainly is odd and gives Harry the heeby jeebies.

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Originally Posted by zoebird View Post
i believe that both harry and LV will die. it would be the most honest ending for the story.
Aside from the fact that I just love Harry and don't want him to die, JKR already had Dumbledore tell Harry (or did Lupin tell him? I've got movie contamination) it would be wrong to waist the sacrifice his parents made with their deaths. I really think Harry is meant to live. All along Harry has simply wanted to be a normal boy. When Voldemort dies I can imagine Harry will lose the scar and his parseltongue ability.

JKR also said if she killed off Harry no one else would be able to write Harry Potter stories.

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Originally Posted by kathirynne View Post
[B]~ The cauldren Voldemort used at his "rebirth". (A cauldron is another of the Hallows of Britian.)
Voldemort's cauldron as horcrux- that's a good one. He'd have used Cedric Diggory's death.

One more prediction: The Trio will go back to the Cave and they'll have to use Hermione's waterproof fire to stave off inferi.

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I think that this is why DD was happy that VM had taken some of harry's blood.
Ah yes, the gleam of triumph in Dumbledore's eye.

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post #25 of 269
6/19/07 at 6:34pm
I don't think he could have used Cedric's death, because he didn't kill Cedric - Pettigrew did. Maybe he planned to use Harry's death to make it one. More likely, he planned to use Harry's death to make Nagini one?
post #26 of 269
6/19/07 at 9:33pm
Hm... here's a thought: wouldn't it be funny if Percy found his way back into the fold because he fell in love with someone really unexpected? Tonks would have fit the bill really well, but she's already got a good man...
post #27 of 269
6/20/07 at 12:12am
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Originally Posted by tboroson View Post
I don't think he could have used Cedric's death, because he didn't kill Cedric - Pettigrew did. Maybe he planned to use Harry's death to make it one. More likely, he planned to use Harry's death to make Nagini one?
Question on this point: Did Pettigrew use Voldemort's wand to kill Cedric? Cedric came out of the wand during Priori Incantatem, which would indicate that Voldemort's wand killed him. I just couldn't remember if it was mentioned in the book.

I'm loving all these theories!
post #28 of 269
6/20/07 at 1:13am
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Originally Posted by tboroson View Post
Hm... here's a thought: wouldn't it be funny if Percy found his way back into the fold because he fell in love with someone really unexpected? Tonks would have fit the bill really well, but she's already got a good man...
Ms. Luna Lovegood?

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post #29 of 269
6/20/07 at 1:14am
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Originally Posted by mkcmommy2003 View Post
Question on this point: Did Pettigrew use Voldemort's wand to kill Cedric? Cedric came out of the wand during Priori Incantatem, which would indicate that Voldemort's wand killed him. I just couldn't remember if it was mentioned in the book.

I'm loving all these theories!
WOWZA! I never thought of that!
post #30 of 269
6/20/07 at 1:55am
Harry will die I think. Ron and Hermione will make it battle worn but make it. I think Snape will show his true colors on the side of good. I think Lupin may not make it. Voldemort will definitely meet his demise. Wormtail will be sent to Azkaban.
Too bad I just now saw this I must go to bed now but I will definitely read this thread tomarrow evening just wanted to subscribe.
post #31 of 269
6/20/07 at 9:41am
I haven't read all the replies yet, but this is really cool!

The Trio--lives

Voldemort--dies

Snape--is innocent! Well, on the side of good, at least. DD was dying from his withered hand and cooked up a plot to put Snape beyond suspicion so he could help Harry kill Nagini and Voldemort. Snape will die heroically in a way that leaves no doubt as to his true intentions. I'm not sure why DD trusted Snape, but I've always believed he was in love with Lily somehow and became full of regrets when he discovered he caused Vold. to kill her.

Hogwarts--I think it will be closed, but it could go either way. It might be open with only a few students. However it goes, the trio will need to go there for info and guidance.

Horcruxes--apart from the locket found at Grimmauld place, I'm not sure yet. I haven't hit HBP in my rereading. I'll come back and edit next week. I don't think Harry is one.

Other deaths--Percy (under Imperious and finally shaking it off), Wormtail (saving Lupin from Greyback with his silver hand), Bellatrix (killed by Neville), and Hagrid. I'm not sure, but I had heard that Alan Rickman and Robbie Coltrane were the only two actors JK told the final fates of their characters to, which would indicate to me that they both will have screentime and good death scenes and she was trying to keep them from leaving the series by telling them about it. There will probably be other order members and death eaters dying, but nobody we've come to care for too much.

Other predictions: Sirius, DD, James, and Lily will help from beyond the grave using Sirius' mirror.

One or more of the trio will time travel and be under the invisibility cloak on either the night of Harry's parents' deaths or a day or two before. They may have had to travel back to get a Horcrux and may actually meet James and Lily, warning James to leave the cloak with DD before he dies.

Harry will return to Hogwarts as the DADA teacher either immediately or following a pro-Quidditch career.

Somebody will use the Draught of Living Death mentioned in Snape's first lesson in book one.

Generally, I think she'll set up the book so that the trio has to ask for help from our favorite characters for each Horcrux. So maybe the Weasley twins help with one, Lupin and Tonks with another, etc. They don't need to tell them what they're looking for, but the three aren't trained enough yet to do it all alone. This will let us see our favorites in action one last time.
post #32 of 269
6/20/07 at 10:16am
Harry: Will he live or die? Live

Ron: Will he live or die? Live

Hermione: Will she live or die? Live

Lord Voldemort: Will he live or die? Die!

Snape: Is he good or bad? Will he live or die? Snape is ultimately good I believe, may die as a sacrifice for the greater cause

Dumbledore: Why did he trust Snape? My best guess is that Snape carried and still carries a torch for Lily and regrets her death

Hogwarts: Will it be open or closed? Open

Horcruxes: What objects do you think are horcruxes? Besides the locket, how many are left again? Definately not Harry. Maybe Tom Riddle's trophy that Ron barfed all over

Deaths: Who else do you think will die? Well besides Voldemort, I've wondered if Percy may or may not, the Lestranges and various other DEs including Lucius, and probably Snape.
post #33 of 269
6/20/07 at 3:03pm
personally, i don't think there should be any more harry potter stories. the story is done.
post #34 of 269
6/20/07 at 4:49pm
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Originally Posted by mkcmommy2003 View Post
Question on this point: Did Pettigrew use Voldemort's wand to kill Cedric? Cedric came out of the wand during Priori Incantatem, which would indicate that Voldemort's wand killed him. I just couldn't remember if it was mentioned in the book.

I'm loving all these theories!
Yes he did, he gave V's wand back to him once he was wizard-shaped again.

He also killed the caretaker at the Riddle house with V's wand.
post #35 of 269
6/20/07 at 4:58pm
A lot of interesting theories.
I think that at least one, if not both, of the Weasley twins will die. I think they've been selling their defensive products (the dark powder, the shield cloaks etc...) to both sides, and it gets them in trouble.
post #36 of 269
6/20/07 at 5:44pm

What if...

The cloak is a horcrux? (No, really. Wait for it.) One of the Hallows of Britain is a cloak.

The cloak belonged to James, and would probably have been in the house at Godric's Hallow when Voldemort murdered James and Lily...

I've just been trying to figure out what the horcruxes might be (because I think that Harry has to destroy them all in order to free Tom Riddle from Lord Voldemort) and I keep coming back to the cloak.
post #37 of 269
6/20/07 at 6:03pm
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Originally Posted by kathirynne View Post
The cloak is a horcrux? (No, really. Wait for it.) One of the Hallows of Britain is a cloak.

The cloak belonged to James, and would probably have been in the house at Godric's Hallow when Voldemort murdered James and Lily...

I've just been trying to figure out what the horcruxes might be (because I think that Harry has to destroy them all in order to free Tom Riddle from Lord Voldemort) and I keep coming back to the cloak.
Good thought, but Dumbledore was the one who gifted the cloak to Harry, I'd like to think that DD would have sensed something was amiss with the cloak?

Of course I have to start doing a reread so I can start coming up with my own horcrux ideas...:
post #38 of 269
6/20/07 at 6:05pm
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Originally Posted by Cate View Post
A lot of interesting theories.
I think that at least one, if not both, of the Weasley twins will die. I think they've been selling their defensive products (the dark powder, the shield cloaks etc...) to both sides, and it gets them in trouble.
I'd like to say "No way!" but after the death of DD it seems that "nothing's sacred" as far as who lives or dies.
post #39 of 269
6/20/07 at 6:23pm
In the Room of Requirement in book Half Blood Prince there is mention of a blood stained axe (the axe that did away with Nearly Headless Nick? the "sword" of Arthurian legend) and also a tiara on a statue's head could have belonged to Rowena Ravenclaw (bit of a stretch there...)

I'm pretty certain that JKR has shown us glimpses of the horcruxes to come.
post #40 of 269
6/20/07 at 6:26pm
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Originally Posted by abimommy View Post
Horcruxes: It seems to be somewhat Arthurian

The four "Hallows" or artifacts mentioned in Arthurian legend are

Cup
Sword
Dish
Lance or spear

Or in some

Lance
Sword
Cup
and the Stone of Destiny
Boy those really ring familiar in regards to Tarot cards.
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