Birth of Olive Sigler - Page 2

[elanorh]

Even if I believed that tattoos were contraindicated by Natural Family Living (which I don't) - they're permanent (or very expensive to remove anyway). I think many of us have made permanent decisions which don't jive with our current life choices/decisions, KWIM?

I voted for our current mayor, for instance -- but *now* I think he's a total UAV and would like to have him removed from office. I have a Master's Degree, and am currently SAHP and will likely not actively USE that degree even when I do resume work outside the home.... etc.

But, I don't think that tattoos are 'against' NFL. As previously mentioned, they are a large part of cultures around this world who'd be considered far more NFL than anyone posting on this board - they are common cross-culturally. There was a great episode by ESPN about a player for the Washington State Huskies bball team who got a Hawai'an tattoo as part of his heritage .... KWIM?

There are all levels/degrees of NFL. None of us are perfect. We are all trying to do what works best for us and our families. It's a continual process. I feel awful for the mom in the video, because she has to learn of such a negative response to such a beautiful, proud moment in her life.

I guess I think there are other choices which would be far less "NFL"-like than tattoos .... This coming from a mom who doesn't have a single tattoo, nor any piercings at all and doesn't plan on any anytime soon, either. When we start making Natural Family Living into an exclusive club with a checklist for membership - we're the ones who lose! IMO part of being AP/NFL is being open to others.

[pamamidwife]

I think tattooing is gorgeous - and I know some "NFL" families that don't adhere to another person's "rules" about "NFL".

I think we get way too nitpicky and judgmental about the terms of "NFL" and "AP" in terms of OTHER people. What matters is that we all honor the earth, our children and our families.

[savvybabygrace]

I think it's important to point out that many people get tats to honor their children; for example, after the birth of this babe I will be getting both of my daughter's first footprints tattooed over my heart with their initials. It's just my private way of always keeping them close to me.
I parent according to my own standards of AP & NFL - this means that I take the basic ideas and make them fit into my family. I think this goes for every single parent out there, don't you? We certainly don't all raise our kids in the exact same way, and don't view our bodies in the same way either.

There was a point a few years ago when I hated the tattoo I got in college and wanted it removed; the idea of a tattoo just bothered me and I felt stupid for getting it. And I had NEVER heard of AP or NFL. Now that I have changed my lifestyle to really fit those categories, and now that I'm a mama, the idea of forever imprinting the tiny feet of my precious girls on my body is gorgeous to me.

Just some thoughts...

[GamineNoir]

Originally Posted by savvybabygrace

after the birth of this babe I will be getting both of my daughter's first footprints tattooed over my heart with their initials. It's just my private way of always keeping them close to me.

That is simply beautiful.

[SusanElizabeth]

Originally Posted by redhen

It's not any different than a birth video of a woman who has "obviously silicone-enhanced breasts" - do you really think that a woman is less of a natural parent because she chooses to modify herself for whatever reason, be it spiritual, cosmetic, corrective, etc? :

No, I don't actually think there is anything wrong with silicone-enhanced breasts. I really don't. I think I was just confused about what was being defined as "natural family living".

For example, my daughter reached the age of 16 without getting her period.
A doctor recommended that she get hormone supplements but when I mentioned this onllne (0n this site) , I got a lot of faces in response where the eyes were bulging out. (in shock).

All I was trying to say was that I was confused about what is defined here as "Natural family living>"

I am sorry to everyone I have offended here. I'm not expresssing myself well.

[pamamidwife]

NFL is a catch-all, but there isn't some club that you have to belong to in order to practice AP or NFL. I know plenty of moms that homebirth then go on to bottlefeed with formula, or those that don't cosleep or even choose to vaccinate. Or mamas who birth in the hospital with an epidural or cesarean and then breastfeed for years.

While we all have our opinions as to what is "Best", really we are mighty opinionated about what others SHOULD be doing. We should just stick to minding our own lives and our own families.

[cheeseRjedi]

Originally Posted by pamamidwife

I think we get way too nitpicky and judgmental about the terms of "NFL" and "AP" in terms of OTHER people. What matters is that we all honor the earth, our children and our families.

[arimama]

I think that is one HOT mama. I guess I missed how tattoos have anything at all to do with natural living?
I would have to say that most of the tattooed mamas I know are AP, NFL type of folks.
Both things go against the maintstream.
Does one have to have long greasy hair, stanky pits and a unibrow to be "natural"?

[AuntG]

Originally Posted by arimama

Does one have to have long greasy hair, stanky pits and a unibrow to be "natural"?

If so, then this pregnancy has caused me to fit the bill perfectly! Pregnancy + summer = : ick.

[Nonie's mom]

I loved the video and got sucked into utube video land!!!

[pigpokey]

I liked the video very much. I didn't catch any views of the bosoms that make me think they were surgically altered? But so much is a matter of style. I do not think choices in makeup, jewelry, body art, clothes, shoes, are primary aspects of NFL. The are more secondary aspects, in my opinion.

[arlecchina]

Originally Posted by savvybabygrace

after the birth of this babe I will be getting both of my daughter's first footprints tattooed over my heart with their initials.

ohhh that is so sweet and beautiful!

[courtenay_e]

The ONLY reason I'm anti-tattoo is that if I had one, I wouldn't be able to donate bone marrow again...it risks you out. And that doesn't mean, though I'm QUITE AP (if you ask me...), that I don't think that other mamas shouldn't have them. We are who we are, and I agree with the pp's who said that the AP, NFL community is as varied as the human race itself. I think that MDC is pretty much the same. And I'm glad of that!

[SusanElizabeth]

I would like to apologize again for my post about this. I expressed myself in a way that was inapproprite. I was confused about the way that people had responded to me on this site, (about other COMPLETELY UNRELATED) issues that had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with this video, and I used this as a way of getting back.

[redhen]

I am glad to see that you are apologizing. I happen to know the mama in discussion and she is a very sweet, kind soul. She's one of the most consciousy GREEN people I've ever known and takes a lot of thought in every area in her life in how she affects the world she lives in, so hearing someone bash her was quite upsetting.