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Web address: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0620085239.htm


Source: Public Library of Science
Date: June 21, 2007


Male Circumcision Overstated As Prevention Tool Against AIDS, According To Study

Science Daily — In new research, male circumcision is found to be much less important as a deterrent to the global AIDS pandemic than previously
thought. The author, John R. Talbott, has conducted statistical empirical research across 77 countries of the world and has uncovered some surprising
results.

The new study finds that the number of infected prostitutes in a country is the key to explaining the degree to which AIDS has infected the general
population. Prostitute communities are typically very highly infected with the virus themselves, and because of the large number of sex partners they
have each year, can act as an engine driving infection rates to unusually high levels in the general population.

The study has a number of important findings that should impact policy decisions in the future. First, male circumcision, which in previous
studies had been found to be important in controlling AIDS, becomes statistically irrelevant once the study controls for the number of
prostitutes in a country.

The study finds that the more Muslim countries of North Africa do indeed suffer much less AIDS than southern and western Africa, but this lower
prevalence is not due to higher numbers of circumscribed males in these Muslim communities, but rather results from the fact that there are
significantly fewer prostitutes in northern Africa on a per capita basis. It appears that religious families in the north, specifically concerned
fathers and brothers, do a much better job protecting their daughters from predatory males than do those in the south. A history of polygamy in these
Muslim communities does not appear to contribute to higher AIDS prevalence as previously speculated.

In a frequently cited academic paper, Daniel Halperin, an H.I.V. specialist at the Harvard Center for Population and Development and one of the world's
leading advocates for male circumcision, weighted results from individual countries by their population. When this artificial weighting was removed
Talbott found that circumcision was no longer statistically significant in explaining the variance in AIDS infection rates across the countries of the
World.

Second, to date, there has not been an adequate explanation as to why Africa as a continent is experiencing an AIDS epidemic far in excess of any
other region of the world with some African countries' prevalence rates exceeding 25% of the adult population and tens of millions dying from the
disease on the continent.

Talbott's new study suggests that the reason is that Africa as a whole has four times as many prostitutes as the rest of the word and they are more
than four times as infected. Some southern Africa countries have as many as 7% of their adult females infected and working as prostitutes while in the
developed world typically this percentage of infected prostitutes is less than .1%. If these 7% of infected prostitutes in Africa sleep with five men
in a week that means they are subjecting 35% of the country's male population to the virus weekly.

The virus is not easy to transmit heterosexually, but over time with multiple exposures, infection is inevitable. These men then act as a
conduit to bring the virus home to their villages, their other casual sex partners and to their wives.

The study has important policy implications. Several international AIDS organizations have begun to provide funding for male circumcisions as a
deterrent to AIDS. While male circumcision may indeed reduce the risk of transmission by some 50% to 60% in each sexual encounter, reducing single
encounter transmission rates alone cannot control the epidemic. The reason is that individuals in highly infected countries have multiple contacts
with the infected so reducing transmission rates only defers the inevitable.

The real question is what can be done with the prostitute community. Outlawing the world's oldest profession would most likely prove to be
ineffective. If the profession can be legalized and treatment and care provided to the practitioners, there would be much more reason to be
hopeful. But, and this is the key, programs of action can not just be voluntary. Too many innocent people are dying and there is too much
disregard for human life among infected prostitutes to leave treatment decisions solely up to them. A program of testing and treatment for
prostitutes must be mandatory and those that refuse treatment must be held liable.

Many international aid organizations are against such mandatory treatment programs for prostitutes as they find them to be discriminatory, violate
the individual's human rights and are perceived as an attack on female prostitutes who are viewed as victims of gender and income inequality. Such
organizations do not properly weigh the loss of human rights and life itself that this virus, unleashed on a community, is causing.

This virus, itself, is a violation of human rights and we must do everything in our power to stop it. To argue we should do nothing about
infected prostitutes during an AIDS epidemic because of a fear of creating a stigma against the infected would be like an animal rights activist
claiming that a rabid dog must be allowed to run free in a neighborhood regardless of how many men women and children he infected and killed.

It is not surprising that computer models rarely show the virus reaching epidemic proportions; it is very hard to transmit this illness
heterosexually. Only when model building researchers introduce a highly sexually active infected subset of "prostitutes" to their mathematical
models does the infection spread exponentially to the general population.

Reference: "Size Matters: The Number of Prostitutes and the Global HIV/AIDS Pandemic" PLoS ONE http://plosone.org/doi/pone.0000543

Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by Public Library of Science.


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Now that makes much more sense, although I very much do not like that comparison with a rabid dog on the loose, those women are trying to earn a living, and if you have nothing to sell but your body, what are you supposed to do?

They're onto a loser there though, the main funders of HIV policies and prevention/treatment methods are all American, and they are SO into genital cutting, and SO NOT into doing anything that "might encourage prostitution". A programme to find and treat prostitutes, distribute free condoms etc. things that would really work, is dead in the water.

The World Bank and PEPFAR have already been condemned for basically cutting the condom supply off and for refusing to fund work with prostitutes because it's encouraging immoral behaviour (although they may have modified their stance since the outcry last year), I can't see them having anything to do with this.

Or am I just being ultra-cynical again?
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Please help me with this. I'm planning on having #2 and my parents have already started trying to bully me into circumcising should I have a boy. The first was a girl, but I didn't find out till 27 weeks, so I had already researched and decided not to circumcise, and my parents knew and were NOT happy.

Anyway, my parents have been talking about this original AIDS study, and a study about HPV, saying that being circumcised reduces the chances of getting either by a ton. This doesn't make sense to me because I've never heard anything of STD rates in Europe being half of ours, and it seems like I would have if this were true.

Anyway, even in that article, it says "While male circumcision may indeed reduce the risk of transmission by some 50% to 60% in each sexual encounter, reducing single encounter transmission rates alone cannot control the epidemic." So it sounds like it's saying that circumcising actually does reduce the chances of getting HIV in any given sexual encounter. I'd love an article which would rebut this HIV discussion, but if this article says that above sentence, it isn't helping me. Are there any other articles about STDs and circumcision?
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Please help me with this. I'm planning on having #2 and my parents have already started trying to bully me into circumcising should I have a boy. The first was a girl, but I didn't find out till 27 weeks, so I had already researched and decided not to circumcise, and my parents knew and were NOT happy.
Ack, how terrible! Perhaps just emphasise that it should be your son's choice what happens to his own body, not yours, certainly not theirs and nobody elses for that matter. Just his.

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Anyway, my parents have been talking about this original AIDS study, and a study about HPV, saying that being circumcised reduces the chances of getting either by a ton. This doesn't make sense to me because I've never heard anything of STD rates in Europe being half of ours, and it seems like I would have if this were true.
Furthermore there is now a shot for HPV that would make circumcision an utterly redundant tool even if it did have any effect.
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Please help me with this. I'm planning on having #2 and my parents have already started trying to bully me into circumcising should I have a boy. The first was a girl, but I didn't find out till 27 weeks, so I had already researched and decided not to circumcise, and my parents knew and were NOT happy.

Anyway, my parents have been talking about this original AIDS study, and a study about HPV, saying that being circumcised reduces the chances of getting either by a ton. This doesn't make sense to me because I've never heard anything of STD rates in Europe being half of ours, and it seems like I would have if this were true.

Anyway, even in that article, it says "While male circumcision may indeed reduce the risk of transmission by some 50% to 60% in each sexual encounter, reducing single encounter transmission rates alone cannot control the epidemic." So it sounds like it's saying that circumcising actually does reduce the chances of getting HIV in any given sexual encounter. I'd love an article which would rebut this HIV discussion, but if this article says that above sentence, it isn't helping me. Are there any other articles about STDs and circumcision?
Here's a statement from a group of South African scientists refuting the HIV findings:

http://www.africa-interactive.net/index.php?PageID=4620

Even if circ offered a limited amount of protection, they STILL recommend you wear and use condoms. So if you're recommending that they use condoms, which has a 90% protection rate, then what's the point of recommending circ? Because even if they had a 50% protection rate (which is pretty outrageous) if you continue to have unprotected sex at some point you're going to contract HIV! Circ'd or not.

And I know for a fact that the STDs thing and circ has been shot down.

Maybe someone can dig up the studies for you.
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You can also point out that USA(only western country that practise circumcision)has the HIGHEST STD&HIV rates in western world compared to intact Europe&Canada...
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Here is what i says in discussiuons about that study:

It is no where near as effective as other methods such as education and condoms. Keep in mind that those promoting this have a single minded, fanatical focus. Their prime directive is to reduce the incidence of AIDS. Nothing else matters, becuase AIDS is ripping apart the society and they are fighting this. But even they do not advocate this "solution" for the US, only in Africa, where they are up against a wall. But even there, it may not be an effective strategy. Studies comparing African countries that have high incidences of circ vs low incidences have failed to see a benefit.

A 50% reduction sounds huge...until you realize it can also be stated (more accurately) as:

circ’d men had a 1.6% chance of contracting aids, while the normal men had a 3.4% chance. Or if you were circ’d you had an incidence of 16 men out of a 1,000, while normal men had an incidence of 34 men out of 1,000.

This doesn’t sound as compelling. Or use the number in a more familiar and less frightening context. Relate that 50% to birth control, a similar situation in which you want to be very certain that you are safe. How many people will be satisfied if their birth control method only reduces the chance of pregnacny by 50%? Flip of a coin, in other words.

On top of all this, in the details they point out that, in reality, the circ'd person still has to do all the other more effective things like condom use. So in effect, all they get for their circ is a 50 50 chance of being safe when they fail to do the other stuff reliably. How many partners or times do you want to have sex if you only have a "flip of a coin" expectation of being safe?

And it gets even worse. A woman only has reduced her chance of getting AIDS by 30% if her partner is circ'd. Who wants to play the odds with only 30% chance...less than a coin toss.

And it is a glaring ommision that no one is studying and testing female surgery to prevent AIDS. Obviously one is acceptable but the other is not, a priori.

Nor does anyone seem to dwell on the fact that the research indicates this is NOT effective in preventing anal or IV transmission, and therefor (since those are considered the main routes in the US) it will not be effective in the US. So basically, no need to circ unless you anticipate that you or your son will be going to Africa to have sex. and will be unlikely to use condoms or other methods reliably.

As far as talking points to argue more broadly why circ is a bad choice:

Physicians have legal and ethical duties to their child-patient to render competent necessary care based on what the patient needs, not what someone else, including a parent, expresses.

The child has a legal right to bodily integrity. Upon reaching adulthood, the child may have a right to sue to recover damages for injuries or unnecessary surgery sustained in childhood.

The parent must ethically and legally make decisions for the child based solely on the best interests of the child.

Circumcision amputates approximately 50 percent of the heavily innervated skin and mucosa of the penis, tissue that is a specific erogenous zone. Excision of the foreskin renders the remaining skin taut and immovable, eliminates its protective, sensory, and sexual functions, and destroys the gliding action of the foreskin, changing the natural mechanics of
normal human reproduction.

Circumcision puts the patient at risk of surgical mishap, adhesions, meatitis, meatal ulceration, infections, bleeding, and even death.

Circumcision is an extremely painful procedure with long-lasting post-operative pain.

Circumcision creates an abnormal physical appearance with a disfiguring scar encircling the shaft of the penis and the glans penis permanently exposed to drying, abrasion, and mechanical injury.

But your arguments may not change their mind. This is a very devicive subject. People have very strong feelings when it comes to sex and religion. So you may just have to be strong and forceful.

Regards,
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