Three deaths apparently due to HPV vax - Page 2

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by applejuice

Isn't that what doctors, et alius, always say after a vaccine reaction?

It often is. And a lot of times it's the vaccine. At other times it really is a coincidence. Claiming that it's never a coincidence and it's always because of the vaccine is doing the same thing they do, only the opposite.

[taranbabyjayden]

Ugh... darn Vaxs...
Does not surprise me... at all..

[applejuice]

The question (that's hard to answer) is whether or not they would have died on the same day even if they hadn't gotten the shot.

Using the same argument and reasoning, it is hard to say if polio, and other vaccine preventable diseases, would have disappeared if not for the vaccines developed to prevent the disease(s). It is just a coincidence.

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by applejuice

Using the same argument and reasoning, it is hard to say if polio, and other vaccine preventable diseases, would have disappeared if not for the vaccines developed to prevent the disease(s). It is just a coincidence.

Sure. It depends on the degree of biological plausibility and hard science behind the vaccine, though.
With vaccine reactions, it's the same thing. A child that develops a fever and a rash (or something biologically plausible and more serious) after the MMR is more likely to be suffering a vaccine reaction (or have actually caught the disease from the vaccine, to be honest) than someone who had something happen that's not explainable by medical science.
To use an extreme example of something not terribly likely, imagine a child that falls and fractures their arm 5 days after their DTaP booster. Would that be a vax reaction?

[applejuice]

To use an extreme example of something not terribly likely, imagine a child that falls and fractures their arm 5 days after their DTaP booster. Would that be a vax reaction?

No, because a fracture is a more likely result of a fall than of a vaccine. If the child was having a seizure from the vaccine and then fell five days after a DTaP booster, the vaccine would be a consideration; the P portion of the vaccine has been known in the medical literature to be neurologically toxic since the 1940s, and was changed in 1996-/+.

A bit OT, but I was accused of breaking my DS's left radius after he fell off his scooter because the doctor in charge had just repaired several of them from baton blows after the WTO conference in Seattle. For him, broken radius = baton beating, never mind the fact that children do fall and break bones.