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post #1 of 16
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DH and I are struggling with this issue as technically DD can start K next year.

Her birthday is at the end of November - practically December, and I know it's regular practice to keep winter babies back a year.

Academically, she's 'ahead' - we do a lot of homeschooling on top of preschool.

Socially, she's a little shy.

Physically, she's the smallest in the class - some kids are almost a year older than her.

DH was kept back a year by his parents. The rationale was that socially and academically they do better, and are even a little 'ahead', it's good for their self-esteem, etc. An elementary principal once told me she did this for her kids and it was the best thing she ever did.

Thoughts?
post #2 of 16
We struggled with this for our ds, too. The cut off is Dec.31, and his bday is dec. 7. But, physically he's advanced and big for his age and gets on better with kids that are a little older. Academically is where he lags a little. In the end, we chose to not hold him back a year mostly because of his socializing preference. We work on the academic stuff at home a lot to help him 'catch up'.

Seeing that you already do a lot of homeschooling and you would likely be prepared to supplement her school work if she felt un-challenged, I personally might be more inclined to give her the added confidence by keeping her back. My parents did something similar with me and arranged extra projects and homework with my teachers to ensure that I did not get bored. But they felt that socially it was in my best interest to be where I was. I am happy with their decision.

But, you know your dd best and it's so hard to say 'if i were you...'

We REALLY struggled, too, so I hope you're able to confidently make a decision. Good luck!

lilgreen
post #3 of 16
In our neck of the woods the cut off is September 30. Ds has a November birthday. We considered having him tested and sending him to Kindergarten early, but decided against it. I think he has really benefited from spending an extra year with me. He went to preschool 3 afternoons a week, but the rest of the time he was with me. He knows all of the letters, the sounds they make and is reading by himself, doing math, knows most of the states, etc. He has been able to learn about dinosaurs, volcanos, etc. all on his own time. Academically he is really ahead of things. This extra year of preschool has made him much more mature socially. He can now deal with social situations and is able to seperate from me. He is now very excited to go to kindy in the fall! Now I am worried that he won;'t be learing anything new though! I don't want him to be bored and start acting out.

I am just surprised that size has come up. I don't understand what that has to do with being ready for kindergarten.
post #4 of 16
Cutoff here is August 31st. I can't imagine kids starting kindergarten before they even turn five.

I'd wait a year and let her be older in the class instead of younger. Due to:
*she's shy
*she's small
*if you ever move to a different state, she'll be a year and a half younger than the older kids in her class
*she'd start college before she is technically an adult

Also, being ahead academically now doesn't mean she always will be. Some kids are ahead, but the others catch up to them within a few years - so she might not always be "ahead" as she is now. My dd was quite a bit ahead at 3 and 4, but the other kids caught up, and she's now right on grade level for most things, a little above on others.

If it worked out well for your dh, and others whose opinions you respect, I'd wait and send her after another year.
post #5 of 16
The cut off here is September 1st. My b'day is on the 3rd so back when I was going to K, my parents had a choice to send me ahead or keep me back. They sent me ahead and I was not ready emotionally although I am gifted intellectually. It set me up for low self esteem and poor grades. I was a C student until I got to college and realized my potential. My parents decided to hold my younger brother back when it was his turn even though he was gifted intellectually as well. It did him a world of good. He had so much more confidence than I did and was an A+ student.
post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 
Re size: this is an issue for DD - she is petite...like, a few inches shorter than almost all of her classmates. At the ripe age of 3.5 it's already become a self-esteem thing (she was called a 'baby' by other kids) so yes, this does factor into my decision, along with the other items (late birthday).

I'm in Canada where the cutoff in our district is Dec 31st, but apparently there is the OPTION with birthdays from Sept-Dec to postphone for a year.

Thank you for the helpful stories - keep 'em coming! My own research so far is mixed...more tilted towards postphoning, with a few 'girls mature faster than boys anyway so it's a moot point' stories.

(sigh)
post #7 of 16
I have December babies and I'm glad the cut off in my town is Aug. 31st. My neice will be a few days shy of 6 when she goes to kindergarten. I think 4 is a bit young to start so I would wait it out another year, especially if you having any reservations. As a teacher I think it is easier to keep them out a year than have them always be a little behind.
post #8 of 16
There was a pretty compelling NYTimes article on June 17 called When Should a Kid Start Kindergarten? I think you can find it on their site (although you have to sign in).

DS's bday is September 14. In CA, the cutoff is Dec. 1 (apparently b/c during WWII they needed women to go work in the factories, so they sent the little ones to school). Almost every year there's a bill to change it back to September 1. After reading the article, I'm going to hold him back, so he'll be almost six when he starts.

A little OT, but one of the points they made is that this is a financial issue for a lot of families -- one more year of paying for daycare/preschool, or free public school.

Anyway, I figure I'm in no rush. In fact, it kind of terrifies me to think of sending him off! And if we ever decide to use private school, the cutoff is September 1. And if CA ever succeeds in pushing the cutoff date back to September again, then he'll be right on track.

It's a really tough call, though, I know. Can you talk to the local elementary school principal? Do they have kindy assessment?

Good luck,
Erin
post #9 of 16
I would probably hold her back, but that's what we're doing w/ Evan more than likely. Unlike your dd though, he doesn't seem as ready for school, whereas AJ just loves to learn! I was started early and graduated right after I turned 17. I did fine, but my mom said she wished she would've held me back. It dind't occur to her when I was 3 and 4 that I was going to hanging out w/ 18yo kids when I was only 13yo...
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by RainCoastMama View Post

Thoughts?
ooh. . . where do I begin?

The practice of holding age-eligible kids back from entering school is called "academic redshirting". There is a lot of contradicting opinions about whether this is beneficial or not. Here's one of many websites you will find that seems to have some good detailed information on the topic:

http://ceep.crc.uiuc.edu/poptopics/redshirting.html

Moving on to personal stories:

I and my two sisters have birthdays in January and February, and were schooled in a province with a December 31st cut-off. Our parents were able to have us assessed and we all started school "a year early". I really discourage that description of it, though. We (collective) are always quick to talk about "customizing to the needs of the child" if it means holding a kid back, or modifying a curriculum. But suddenly that sentiment dries up if anyone talks about putting kids in school "early". Too many people seem to take it as a personal afront that you are trying to say your child is smarter than their child.

My sisters both did just fine in school. . . average or better-than average marks, socially well-adjusted. I was a painfully shy child and didn't really start to get out of that until junior high. In spite of this, starting Kindergarten when I was just over 4.5-years-old was probably the most important decision that got made in my childhood - to my great benefit. I excelled as a student. I was a smart, kinda' geekie kid that never really fit in with a lot of my classmates. In spite of being a year younger than some of them, I found them immature and didn't come into my own with friendships and such until college. Literally, I might have died in a school career in my "age-appropriate" grade. The tendency of public schools to pace instruction according to the "lowest common denominator" seems to be pretty-widely practiced.

My daughter is now completing Grade One. She is in the same situation I was as a child, although her birthday is in the beginning of April. It was a real struggle to get policy exemption to get her into school. It has really helped her blossom, she is doing extremely well socially and academically. Her teacher admitted early fears that she wouldn't adjust because her personality is to sit back a bit and assess a situation before leaping in (appears as shyness). Teacher worried that our daughter would be a drain on resources in a busy class of 24 kids. She told us with relief that all those doubts dissolved within the first few weeks of school.

I don't know that my daughter is "gifted", persay, as we haven't had her tested. But you can read lots about gifted kids and early schooling, which may help you decide about your daughter. Hoagies is a great site with lots of good links. From what we researched, kids who are ready and are held back, run the risk of having their enthusiasm for learning diminished or extinguished. There is also strong indication that if a gifted child enters school early, the "gap" between that child's abilities and the abilities of an average student only increase over the years. Hence, parents of gifted kids are usually urged to work toward schooling solutions that aren't assessed on short-term outcomes. While all kids develop at individual rates, gifted kids are particularly asynchronous in their development.

Now I know that's all about spring babies, but I'll take a further minute to share my the experiences my sister-in-law had with her fall babies.

DD#1 was born in October. Went to school in the "normal" year. Struggled (Also in this time was some moves with single mom, settling into new marriage, etc so that may have influenced things). DD#1 repeated Grade 1. Continued on fine, average student.

DD#3 was born in early November. This daughter seemed quite "mommy-dependent" in the spring prior to school eligibility. Mom thought "Aha! I have learned how this works with fall babies". Held DD#3 back a year. DD#3 attended Kindergarten and Grade 1. The "mommy-dependency" seemed to have been a phase that lasted only several months. Daughter was continually bored in school. Daughter never really seemed to form solid friendships in her own classes, but ended up being friends with her same-age peers in the grade above her. In her Grade 2 year, she was in a split-class of Grade 2 and Grade 3 students. Her parents pursued having her complete both years' work at the same time. She has taken on this extra work very well. Next fall, she will join her same-age peers and enter Grade 4. This puts her back where she would have been if her mother had sent her to Kindergarten the first year she was eligible to attend. Mom just shakes her head at the whole situation and how different these two daughters could be.
post #11 of 16
DD has an October b-day and the cut-off here is September 1st. We sent her to Pre-K and it went VERY well. She was so bored at home! Her teacher ADORED her, she had a couple close friends in the class (4 or 5 girls in a class full of boys ), and she really did well both academically and socially. She was also among the oldest, if not THE oldest. Several of the kids were only about 4 yrs old.

She starts Kinder in the fall and I think she's going to do very well. She'll be 6 6 weeks after school starts. All of the kinder teachers are very nice and she'll be in the same school, so I know it will go well for her. I hope she gets some of her friends in her class.

ETA: I was born in November and sent to school before I turned 5. I don't think it was a good idea. I ended up staying back in 3rd grade, too. That was ok.
post #12 of 16
Well, since I don't plan on sending my kids to "real" school, it's a little different for us, but here's what we're doing.
My son is 4.5, he'll be 5 in January. We are going to be part of a Waldorf-ish kindergarten coop this fall, which is half-day and we can go either 2 or 4 days a week-- I haven't decided on that part yet. I think he'll be the youngest there and that does worry me a bit, but we're going to try it out and see how it goes. If it isn't going well after a month, we'll just quit. I plan to unschool him once there are no more partial week, parent-run coops available to us, so it's not like he'll be behind if he doesn't go to kindergarten, and we could do something like it next year if he wants to then.

I worry about academic redshirting and how it might increase the class divide, so if I were sending my child to public school I don't think I would consider it at all.
post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thank you mamas...great points and great life experience stories. Dh and I will definately take a wait and see attitude. DH said that as he was redshirted, he thrived in school, always did really well.

My primary issue, of course, is that along with redshirters in DD's year if she were to start at 4.8 yrs old, is that there will be 6 yr olds with the developmental and social aptitude of, well, 6 yr olds. At this young age, every year = 5 years, KWIM? Sure she's a smart cookie, but a 4.8 yr old is NOT a 6 yr old and can never play on a level field. I don't want her to get left behind or socially isolated.

Q - what's the difference between Pre-K and preschool? Many people mention it and I can't seem to find a conclusive answer.
post #14 of 16
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My primary issue, of course, is that along with redshirters in DD's year if she were to start at 4.8 yrs old, is that there will be 6 yr olds with the developmental and social aptitude of, well, 6 yr olds.
Most likely not. The 6 years olds will most likely be very active kids who have a hard time sitting still. The reason their parents waited to start them was because they were immature for their age.

K cutoffs vary widely from place to place, and the expectations for K vary widely as well. In some places, K is a half day and kids learn their ABCs. In other places, it is a full day and they learn to read.

Before deciding on what to do, I would find out more about exactly what K is where you live and consider whether or not your child is ready for it, rather than making a decision based on generalizations that may not have anything to do with your situation.
post #15 of 16
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Q - what's the difference between Pre-K and preschool? Many people mention it and I can't seem to find a conclusive answer.

Pre-K is age 4. They learn letters, letter sounds, nursery rhymes, songs, colors, etc. DD came home w/ projects and school work and she learned to write. Pre-school, to me, is like glorified daycare.
post #16 of 16
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The 6 years olds will most likely be very active kids who have a hard time sitting still. The reason their parents waited to start them was because they were immature for their age.
Not neccessarilly. My ds turns 5 two weeks b/f the cutoff. We're not sending him. Academically, he is *totally* ready, but we have several reasons for waiting another year:

-- He's only been in preschool 2 days a week since January, and he dropped out in April. He'd only ever been home with me. He is *not* ready for 5 days a week away from me.

-- He has speech apraxia, and could benefit from another year to build up his speech skills and confidence b/f starting Kindy.

-- If he stays in pre-k he can be in class w/ his little brother, which will be really good for both boys, as far as willingness to be away from me (and makes my life a lot easier if I end up needing to stay for the day)

-- We have a great preschool teacher who is totally on the same page as me. I don't know yet if I'll do public K or homeschool or what. I'm not worried about academics -- I have them in pre-k for the social stuff, projects, painting etc that I haven't been able to do w/ them at home lately.

I started K at 4, my parents had me tested in b/c I missed the cutoff by a week or something. I didn't ever have a problem w/ it, so I don't have a bias that way. It really just depends on the kid, the school, the class mix etc.

Keep in mind though, Kindy these days (in a lot of places) is more like first grade was when we were little -- I worked in a kindy one year. It was full day, no rest period and only one recess, and the report card of skills they were supposed to master by the end of the year included basic fractions, counting to 100, by 1's, 5's and 10's, counting backwards from 30, knowing all their money, basic reading and spelling etc etc. I don't want to push my ds. He is bright, and actually knows some of this stuff already and will probably master most of it over the next year, but it is on his terms, not a teachers, yk?
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