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post #1 of 16
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W is 7 (just turned). He is a curious child, and likes to look at and play with things. I understand that, and don't object, however we have told him that if the thing is not his, then he needs to ask before touching it. We just know that he isn't always as careful as he thinks he is...once he asks, we do let him look at/handle most things--some things we supervise, or have him sit down, or whatever. Sometimes we dont' let him handle it, but we will happily show it to him. Really though, most things if he asks we'll let him get a good look or touch. However, he's really bad about asking. We try to remind him, 'catch him being good' by thanking him or commenting when he does remember, but still he seems to get some thrill out of being sneaky about playing with things that are not his and which he has not asked to touch. And he has broken more than a few. Just this afternoon my dh was cleaning out the fish tank. He took out the little glass thermometer (along with all the other 'scenery' in the tank) and had brought it into the bathroom sink to scrub it down before putting it back in the tank. The thermometer was still sitting on the counter this evening when I sent W in to get his bath. (This is normal for--he's taken baths on his own for 3 years, and generally objects if we offer to help.) Anyway, about 5 min later I went to check on W, and make sure he was actually getting into the tub (he is distractable) and I found him sitting on the floor picking up pieces of glass from the--you guessed it--shattered thermometer. Had he asked, I would have let him look at it with supervision, but he didn't ask, he just 'snuck' it when I was in another room and busy with the baby. And now he's broken it. I asked him what he was doing with it, and he said 'looking at it.' I asked if he'd asked and he said 'no.' I asked if he SHOULD have asked and he said 'yes.' So he knew...he just didn't bother...

SO, here's my dilemma: I want him to have some kind of consequence for the sneaking and the breaking...I'm sure he didn't mean to break it, but he was not being careful, and had not followed the rule (and we made the rule in the first place because of this exact kind of situation).
On the one hand, the natural consequence seems to me that he should buy a new one...however there is no way he can afford to replace all the things he ruins/wastes (two weeks ago he dumped out an entire bottle of shampoo into his bath, which was doubly upsetting because the week before that he'd emptied most of a bottle of bubble bath, and we'd had a long talk about why he should not get into those bottles himself, but should ask...) Anyway, he has a little money, but we'd literally have to triple or quadruple what we give him in order for him to pay back for what he's wasting/destroying. I think that would be really false inflation because the money wouldn't mean anything to him, you know? And if we ask him to pay for things with his current earnings, he would basically be in debt to us for the next decade, and he's still ruining and wasting stuff...
Tonight another option occured to me, but I wanted to run it by some other GD-minded parents and see if you think it's appropriate and is a logical (if not entirely natural) consequence: I was thinking that perhaps he could work off his debt to us rather than pay for it in money. He does help me around the house, but it tends to be in little spurts--5 or 10 min here or there. He has a couple of regular jobs, but not a ton--just simple stuff like he has to unload the dishwasher once a day, feed the dog, and put away his own clean laundry. He is a generally helpful boy, so we rarely assign him specific work that he has to do. SO, with that in mind, would it be logical to let him work off his debts at, say, $4/hr? that means dumping out the shampoo bottle would take him an hour to work off...since he'd probably have to do the work in several pieces, I think it might sink in... the little fish tank thermometer would probably be 1.5-2 hrs of work. Part of me wants to make it more like $2/hr, but he is a super active boy, and I think that that many hours of work would be 1--torture for me (to keep him on task) and 2--overkill for him. I figure a consequence should be enough for the child to learn the lesson, but not enough to make them miserable, you know?
Anyway, I would really appreciate hearing what others think, and if you don't think this is a very good idea, I would LOVE to hear other ideas of how to deal with this. We are on a tight budget and while we may be able to live without something like a fish tank thermometer, we do need things like shampoo!!!
post #2 of 16
Absolutely!!

My 6 year old isn't quite as "handsy" as you describe your son, but he plays with everything he can find. Part of my solution has been to keep most of this stuff up out of his reach. But were he to continuously and repeatedly dump out the shampoo, use up the soap, etc. after frequent reminders of the appropriate way to ask permission, I'd definetly have him working off his "debt" to me. They are not too young to learn the value of a dollar and how far it does, what it buys, etc.
post #3 of 16
I think your logical consequence is reasonable and worth a shot. Would you come back here in a couple weeks and tell us how it goes? I have a 4.5yo and 2.5yo, and I'd love to hear how it works out for future reference.
post #4 of 16
I think a more natural consequence would be that he is not allowed the privledge of being unsupervised. I have a 6.5 dd who says "I need to go be alone" and I know she is doing something sneaky with her big sibs' posessions or whatnot. I think he should have to be within arms reach of you (his responsbility, not yours) for a while (a week?) until you feel he has matured. Toilet and bath included. Not in a shaming way, but in a way that makes him realize he broke your trust and has to re-earn it.
post #5 of 16
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I think a more natural consequence would be that he is not allowed the privledge of being unsupervised. I have a 6.5 dd who says "I need to go be alone" and I know she is doing something sneaky with her big sibs' posessions or whatnot. I think he should have to be within arms reach of you (his responsbility, not yours) for a while (a week?) until you feel he has matured. Toilet and bath included. Not in a shaming way, but in a way that makes him realize he broke your trust and has to re-earn it.
: I agree with this.
post #6 of 16
We have a similar problem (boys who honestly overlook the "my parents have opinions and think I should be asking first" stage) and for us, we cut down on the time they spend unsupervised. I do feel that it is, to a certain extent, a developmental phase- they're maturing so fast and want so hard to be independent that sometimes boring details like rules get overlooked in their heads. We have to keep reinforcing values and that's just the way life is for us right now.
My 8yo seems to be outgrowing it, and he is taking more care of stuff and having less breakages. There is hope in sight.
post #7 of 16
Honestly, have you thought about rethinking your rule on not touching things without permission? I find it kind of unsettling and sad that a 7 year old can't touch things in his own home. I'm wondering if his tendency to break or waste things (I'm sure by accident and not on purpose) is stemming from a lack of trust. I think true valuables or anything dangerous should be off limits to a child and kept out of reach, but any household things that are out should be free to be touched, handled and explored. That is how children learn about their environment. We let our kids get into almost everything as soon as they can crawl. If you start trusting him, maybe this problem will resolve itself.

If my oldest (just turned 8) wasted a whole bottle of shampoo for bubbles, I would just remind him before his next bath that it only takes a little to make more than enough bubbles. So, instead of restricting his access to the shampoo, I would teach him how to use just a little and keep giving him chances to get it right. That is what will build confidence and help him learn to be more responsible. I honestly don't see how punishment would work here. Kids are naturally curious, do you really want to squelch that?
post #8 of 16
Really, I think it is the age. Maddie, who is 8, has been doing these things for about 2 years. Children are so curious about everything! And at this age, they can do so much more and understand more about things-thus, enhancing their curiosity. Also, I think they so much want to be able to do things for themselves, it's all learning.
post #9 of 16
I think it can be unrealistic to prevent a 7 year old child from having unsupervised time. Everyone needs some downtime.
post #10 of 16
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Part of my solution has been to keep most of this stuff up out of his reach.
We keep the shampoo on the highest shelf in the shower--it's higher than my head. But DS climbs (in spite of repeated warnings aobut the danger of doing so in a wet shower...and in spite of even a couple of slips and falls...he's just a monkey!) So, yeah, we try to make it easy to be good so to speak--try to keep temptations as un-tempting as possible...but to no avail.
post #11 of 16
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Honestly, have you thought about rethinking your rule on not touching things without permission? ...
I think true valuables or anything dangerous should be off limits to a child and kept out of reach, but any household things that are out should be free to be touched, handled and explored. That is how children learn about their environment.
Well, that's where we came from...but he wasn't deserving of teh trust we were giving him, you know? So we started asking that he ask... There is a lot that he has full access to, (like 3/4 of the house) but things in mom and dad's bedroom or bathroom drawers are off limits, and we would like him to ask in general if it's not his or if he doesn't know who it belongs to. We try really hard to respect his space and his things (knocking before we go into his room, not playing with his toys without asking him, etc), and all we want is the same courtesy in return.

I agree that the idea of not letting him be unsupervised seems very logical, but (especially with a 5mo) that's gonna be darn hard to actually do. And no, he is very unlikely to do it himself (he might try, but he is easily distracted and would forget after a few minutes...he'd wander off an dI'd be having to remind him all day and it would turn into a huge trial for both of us). That's the thing of it--I'd like to help him learn, but I don't think it should be a horrible experience for him--or for me. I'm not out to punish, I just want to teach...
post #12 of 16
I have an idea for the shampoo....get a little travel sized bottle (hotel shampoo sized) and put in his alloted amount for the bath and keep the rest put up...waaay up where he doesn't even know about. That way he can wash his hair and play bubbles or whatever with just a little bit...
post #13 of 16
Another thought here is something I use for my 6 1/2 year old. When he gets into something and ruins or destroys it, I find whatever he most prizes at the moment - his legos, a Magic Treehouse book, etc., and have him put it up for a few days. If I lose something of mine through is carelessness or grabby behavior, than he has to give up something of his as well.
post #14 of 16
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I agree that the idea of not letting him be unsupervised seems very logical, but (especially with a 5mo) that's gonna be darn hard to actually do. And no, he is very unlikely to do it himself (he might try, but he is easily distracted and would forget after a few minutes...he'd wander off an dI'd be having to remind him all day and it would turn into a huge trial for both of us).
I was thinking the same thing...
post #15 of 16
I did have my DS#1 do chores to "pay" me back for wasting things around the house and I think it did help. He was forever emptying out whole bottles of shampoo, toothpaste, mixing up items from the pantry, etc. So I told him that if he did it again he would work for me to pay it off. He did and had to do the housework, the process repeated twice, and it hasn't been nearly as much of an issue since. I used $6/hour - he's actually a pretty good worker when he tries.

Like you, I also had a rule that if it wasn't yours, you didn't touch it without asking first. He could often have what he wanted (paper cups from the pantry, a cardboard shipping box), but I really needed him not to help himself to whatever he wanted (the cups might be needed for a class party or I might need that box to return an item).

Having a child shadow you for a day or two can be useful (I've used this technique too), but you can't do it for longer than that without losing your mind. Not to mention, it would be pretty mean to the child (Sorry DS, I know you want to build with your Legos, but we've got to go sit in the bathroom while your younger sibling uses the potty for the upteenth time that day).

Good luck!
post #16 of 16
Twocoolboys, that was where I started coming from, believing that my children could be trusted to safely handle our possessions in their own home. Then, unfortunately, my spinning wheel got knocked over and damaged to the point that we had to strip it down and give it a full overhaul, and then it took two further whacks in two days (It's kept in a corner. This takes a certain amount of talent, y'know?) For us, it wasn't the touching, it was the lack of awareness of appropriate force to use when handling things, when moving around our home, when being with people, that led to the decision that my sons should spend more time with me and very little unsupervised- combined with a lack of awareness of consequences, or lack of thoughtfulness. I believe it was the right decision for us at the time, otherwise I wouldn't have recommended it.
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