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post #1 of 17
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: My daughter just turned six in May, and I am having a very difficult time lately with her focus, or lack thereof, and of her ability to listen. This last week has been terrible, I was almost in tears the other day in the grocery store because she was so difficult and I could not reach her. I don't know how to explain it, but her behaviour has become increasingly problematic, she is rough with her brother, grabbing him and talking angrily in his face many many times a day, she seems incapable of listening and when I sit down and try to talk with her about it how important it is that she listen and not go running off into the traffic or hurt her brother or scream in the store, she just won't hear me, she just won't focus and hear me, and she goes on and does it because she wants to. Now I know many other 6 year olds, and while I do see that they are striving for their independance in many ways, she is extreme in her very young behaviour, in her inability to pay attention and listen, and this seems to be recent, it seems to be getting worse. And I can't seem to click with her right now, and I don't know why. She is either overly physical with people/friends, or completely isolating herself. She seems to be screaming out for negative attention, and yet clamouring for attention from friends by climbing on their laps, getting in people's faces all the time. And when I explain to her why she can't do this, that she needs to give people space, she says okay she understands, and then will run and do it again. I am perplexed, she is six. It seems she is regressing somehow. But she is also having difficulty with friends because of this. She just hasn't been herself, I don't know what is going on. And when I try to talk with her and ask her if there is something bothering her or if she is feeling angry/frustrated/ sad...she can't focus on it to talk. When a few months ago she could no problem. I am worried. Every night I have a plan for the next day, how to try to make the day better, and every morning something goes bad, is worse than the day before. I am so seriously struggling here, I feel helpless. And I feel like I am just making it worse because I am upset with her so much of the day because she will not listen to a thing, is hurting her brother and lying about it every time I turn around, and the lying is constant. She is fiercely defiant and it is beginning to scare me. Tonight she said she wanted to smash something. I don't know where this anger is coming from, and I don't know how to help her right now.
post #2 of 17
I have no advice but wanted to say that ALL the 6 yo's I know IRL are going / went through that.

6 is a hard age.

It DOES get better.

post #3 of 17
I have not reached that age yet with my DS although we have some of the same issues at 4 yo (just not everyday like you). However, my son's best friend is almost 6 and OMG. He is a beast to his mom most days lately. She does a great job with him, anticipating situations, laying down clear expectations and consequences. She really sticks with it, but he is really testing the limits of civility nearly everyday. It seems to be a combo of having no impulse control, wanting to test limits, and some other issues in his case like sensory processing disorder.

I can't make many knowledgable recommendations but I am sending you big hugs and a couple thoughts. Keep sticking to the plan the best you can. Continue to lay out clear rules and expectations as well as the consequences. Always follow through with love and consistency. Avoid getting into big "discussions" that are likely to just turn into an argument (I have been working very hard on this with my son who is a master at trying to suck me into a negotiation). And most importantly, celebrate the things she is doing well (not just "good job", but specific recognition of contributions she is making to the family). I am also just beginning reading, "Raising Your Spirited Child" by Mary Sheedy Kurcinka (lots of MDC members have recommended it).
post #4 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thank you, just thinking that this is possibly something that children this age go through helps keep my head on.

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Keep sticking to the plan the best you can. Continue to lay out clear rules and expectations as well as the consequences. Always follow through with love and consistency. Avoid getting into big "discussions" that are likely to just turn into an argument (I have been working very hard on this with my son who is a master at trying to suck me into a negotiation). And most importantly, celebrate the things she is doing well (not just "good job", but specific recognition of contributions she is making to the family). I am also just beginning reading, "Raising Your Spirited Child" by Mary Sheedy Kurcinka (lots of MDC members have recommended it).
I actually picked up this book last night while looking at my bookshelf and saying "help me!" this one jumped out. So I am reading it too. I think one of my big problems is the consequence. Now that she is six this changes from when she was any other age prior. When she hurts her brother for instance, I stop her and talk to her about how wrong it is to hurt him, how much he loves her and her him and ways to get out her frustration that won't hurt someone, and then she does it again two minutes later, and I feel like nothing is penetrating. So then what do I do? She has spent time in her room, useless, had a time-out, useless, she feels bad when she hurts him, but keeps doing it. What is the consequence to this? Or screaming and acting out in the store and not listening, and intentionally defying me, what is the consequence to this? I have thought of not coming to the grocery store with us again, but I am a single parent and I have no one I can leave her with. And is that the best I can do? I feel at a loss as to what sorts of consequences will impact her at this age...

I do notice, the attention and joy that comes over her when she does something very helpful or kind and I remark on it and her whole demeanour changes, I need to do this more, which I am having a hard time with because those moments seem so few lately. But I do think it is a great suggestion to make sure I set out the rules and expectations for her and be consistant in this, although usually I get the eye roll and the "I know I know". :
post #5 of 17
visiting from the vancouver tribe....

sounds like a food allergy to me to be honest. have you added anything new recently? switched brands of juice? I've seen several children display the same behaviour and it's been linked to food dyes (specifically red, which is NOT always listed so don't assume it's not there!)
post #6 of 17
OMG...it's 6. It really is, Mama. My dd will be 7 in November and we have been STRUGGLING all year. All year. It seems like the physical boundary thing is a really common thing to go through right now... No matter what we say or do, they just have to figure it out on their own. I spend so many evenings in tears...feeling like a horrible mother/parent.

Have you read any of these books:
http://www.amazon.com/Your-Six-Year-...3038881&sr=8-1

I find them to be terribly out-dated, horrifically sexist...and pretty accurate about basic developmental stuff. Some of the stuff is really obvious and some extra insightful. They were recommended to me by a friend and I've appreciated the validation about age-specific behaviors and some of the tips and techniques.

Hope this helps. Take care, Mama.
post #7 of 17
Wow...I don't know how many times I could have written this exact same post! (Well, I did, sorta, a few days ago...). I can't offer much except My DD is 7 and is still going through something like this. I just keep telling myself that its gotta get better sometime...
post #8 of 17
Also jumping in from Vancouver tribe thread...

While there is certainly nothing unusual about these behaviours, the fact that they appear to out of character for her, and have arisen so rapidly, does suggest a food allergy. Food allergies are notorious for causing behavioural changes. You might want to keep a food log and see if her worst moments correlate to anything she's eating.

With that said, I can tell you how I handled similar things with my DD (who is almost 5). With regards to hurting brother: telling her it's wrong is useless for us, because she KNOWS it's wrong. When I sit back, don't judge, and just comfort DS I can see in her eyes and expression that behind that defiant face is one of deep remorse. When I make any attempt to focus on the "wrongness" of what she has done, it makes her defensive, because I'm focussing on the "bad" that she is capable of. After much trial and error, what I have found works best is when I go to comfort DS as if he'd just had an accident (and not a sibling-inflicted wound). I don't shun DD, I don't scold her, I'll say things like "oh dear, DS has a scratch, and it's bleeding". EVERY single time I do this she will soften and come over to see and then comfort him and say she is sorry. This is a genuine apology. By not interfering with the flow of her emotions by scolding or judging, I allow the natural empathy and remorse to flow. She is allowed to see the consequences of her actions without having to defend herself at the same time (defensiveness trumps empathy!). THEN, much later during a good moment when we are playing or snuggling, I will bring up the subject and we'll talk about ways to express emotions or solve conflicts with DS that don't involve hurting. I have noticed a big decrease in incidents like this since I started to consistently apply this reaction.

As for defiance, I understand where it comes from in her. Like me, she is incredibly determined and bristles at any outside restrictions on her set goals. This trait will serve her very well in life, but needs to be tempered in certain situations. I find that not reacting to the defiance, but focussing on the emotion, helps. For example, if I say that she can't do something she'll start yelling "I will! and you can't stop me!", instead of talking about how rude or defiant she is being, I'll say something like "you're very determined, and very upset that I'm not letting you do X". Reacting negatively to the defiance always seems to make it worse, IME.

Finally, I'd like to recommend the book "How to Talk so Kids will Listen..." by Faber and Mazlish. It's not about fixing the problems you describe, but I sense that by using "active listenting" you might gain more insight into the problem, and your DD might feel more "heard" too.

HTH!
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thank you for the empathy and the book suggestions. I have thought of food allergy actually but I haven't nailed that one down yet, i will pay extra attention to that though, because I can see that the symptoms sound like this in some ways, particularly the distraction and zoning out, and temperamental outbursts.

Mariah, thank you so much, your perspective and advice, as usual is dead on. I appreciate you pointing out how to speak to her and to not force us t butt heads, and to recognize her defiance and not reacting negatively to it, as it works the same for us, it never makes it better or easier for either of us.
post #10 of 17
I just wanted to say that we have gone through similar things with DD. She has always been a very bright and spirited child, but about a year ago I was at my wits end with some of her behavior issues. There were times when I would be brought to tears and questioning what I was doing wrong as a parent. She is definitely mellowing out, so just try to stay positive and know that this to shall pass.
post #11 of 17
Like Mariah, my dd is only 5.5 and we've had a difficult year too...

Have you checked to see if her 6 year molars are coming in? Perhaps she's losing her first tooth, or any other major physical development. Also, apart from the food allergy thing, maybe think about any changes in her life that have occured lately...maybe full time school if she's in grade 1? I had enrolled my dd in a full time K class this year, and as time went on, she became more and more disconnected from me and more and more defiant. WE took a 2 week holiday in March and by then she was just unbearable. I have to say I really disliked her company... it took 4 days of two parents full time and she was back to her sweet self... which has led me to revisit the idea of homeschooling.

There are so many things going on in a young child's life... what scared me was the lack of attachment she seemed to have with me after being in school 6 hours/day.... though I wanted to spend time with her from 4pm onwards, she wanted nothing to do with me, but rather wanted to go play with the neighbours or anyone else...

For me, getting strict with her and making rules and having consequences only made things exponentially worse... the best thing for her was to bring her closer, spend time with her, read books to her and find some special time for us to do things just her and me... or her and her dad...
post #12 of 17
how about a little aromatherapy.

i put lemon, orange and sometimes cammomile on cotton pads at night for my DS and his sleep is really rock solid. And it really helps with bumps during the day.

poke around in aromatherapy, it could help.
post #13 of 17
Ilex, that sounds really tough. A book that recently rocked my world was Sleepless in America: Is Your Child Misbehaving...or Missing Sleep?. It was written by the author of Spirited Child and Kids, Parents and Power Struggles. The book discusses how many challenging behaviours are rooted in sleep issues, pure and simple. When a child is sleep-deprived, the ears turn off and so does impulse control. We suspected this with ds but felt that we had "tried everything" to address those issues. After reading the book I got a lot of ideas of things that we can do to help ds sleep better. I'm happy to report that the last 2 days have been much improved. I find the difference is that when problems come up, I can talk about them with ds, whereas before he would just ignore me and not even make eye contact, acting really defiant. If you suspect that sleep is an issue for your dd (and for you), I recommend dealing with that first.
post #14 of 17
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Finally, I'd like to recommend the book "How to Talk so Kids will Listen..." by Faber and Mazlish
: and also Siblings Without Rivalry - both are super easy reads for tired mamas that aren't based on punishments, rewards, or consequences Your library will have them for sure.
post #15 of 17
Hi holly!

just jumping in quickly to agree with mariah about making sure to not "shame" her when she hurts her brother -- she knows it's wrong, so telling her that isn't going to help. I talk with my kids (who are closer in age, so it's a bit different -- they fight more than one just hurting the other one, though that does happen too from time to time) about what kind of family we want to have, and how we create the family we want, how our actions affect how others treat us, etc. I have recently been helping dexter to recognize when he is just feeling crappy (and will go to great lengths to pick a fight) or defensive, or whatever negative feeling he seems to be having. I then help him to take a few deep breaths, and let the bad feelings go out of his chest, and let his "heart light" (a visual that seems to work for him) warm up his body, while holding him close, with a hand on his chest --

can I just interrupt myself to say that I am super tired and need to go to bed, so this will be really rambly and nonsensical...mark's mom (with new cancer problems ) is visiting, so I'm stealing this late-night moment on the computer...ok, back to my spew...

--I guess it's more about helping him through the hard times than it is about making him recognize consequences, or punishing, rewarding, etc. It has taken me a long time to come to this place, but 3 and 4 were so hard for us, I sooooooooo wish I could have gotten here sooner -- I think that if I had understood this feeling of "just helping the little guy out" and been able to let go of any kind of "behavior correction" that our lives would have been a lot easier.

Ok, now I really need to go to bed!!

oh, and I was also going to suggest that maybe she is suddenly struggling with certain things in your life that maybe she couldn't really grasp as a younger child? maybe?

good to see you, and come by the vancouver tribe more often, we miss you!
post #16 of 17
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Following something tiffani mentioned, the author of the above book says to expect behaviour and sleep challenges 6 months and 12 months after major life stressors.
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 
I just wanted to bump this to say a big big huge thank you to everyone that replied, not a day has gone by that I haven't thought about something written on this thread. And things are getting much much better. All of your suggestions have helped tremendously not only for her, but for me to help her through what she is feeling and to help me understand my reactions as well. I have been making sure she has been taking her omega oils which I think has a huge impact on her, and her six year old molars just came in, and she lost her first tooth, and her perception of things is changing, certainly.

Ksenia, sleep!! I hadn't even thought of that! And after you wrote, I realized how she had been going to sleep later, because she wanted more time with me without her brother around, and then he would wake her up in the morning before she was ready to wake. So I started making sure that she went to bed earlier, and that if he woke up first we would scramble out of the room before he woke her up, which made a HUGE difference in her mood and her patience throughout the day. So thank you so much for bringing that up, and I will read that book. I think she may go into her own room now as well, just to ensure quality sleep.

Tiffani, I think you are right on so many points, and the fact that she may be understnding things that she hadn't really understood before is definitely true. It's a whole new lightbulb. And it is hard for her to comprehend. I need to have more patience and I love the heart light warming, she loves that, thank you so much for that. And for the clarity, or rather bringing the clarity. It is hard when it is so constant some days, but then I have to stop and wonder why? What does she need, how can we make this better and help her recognize how she is feeling. It's a work in progress, but it is getting better. And I miss you guys too! I rarely get a chance, but hopefully we will be coming to Vancouver soon and we can see you.

Dominique, Thank you too, for pointing out the obvious but not so obvious point of how having consequences was making things worse, and what she really needs is to be closer to me. I know this, and I forget this at times, when it is so simple. Interesting about the school with your daughter. my dd is homeschooled, so that isn't really an issue, but that is scary how a child can change so quickly. And wonderful how you picked up on the cause so fast.

Thank you all again.
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