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Poll Results: How old is too old for a child to be in a booster seat?

 
  • 16% (23)
    7-9 years
  • 23% (32)
    10 years
  • 5% (7)
    11 years
  • 11% (16)
    12 years
  • 5% (8)
    13 years
  • 2% (4)
    14 years
  • 0% (1)
    15 years
  • 0% (1)
    16 years
  • 0% (1)
    17 years
  • 32% (44)
    18+ years if the person hasn't reached 4ft. 9in.
137 Total Votes  
post #141 of 166
I do NOT get driving with a 1 year old out of a carseat because it will break his trust in you. What if you are in an accident and he is badly injured, God forbid? How would that affect his trust?

My dd's father was talking the other day about "compassion" vs. "idiot compassion." That made a lot of sense to me. (I'm not trying to call anyone an idiot, but I think something would be lost if I didn't mention the term he used. It really resonated with me).
post #142 of 166
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Originally Posted by thismama View Post

My dd's father was talking the other day about "compassion" vs. "idiot compassion." That made a lot of sense to me. (I'm not trying to call anyone an idiot, but I think something would be lost if I didn't mention the term he used. It really resonated with me).
*nods head in agreement*


I think letting your child get horribly maimed or injured would probably do a lot more to break trust than five minutes of crying because she doesn't want to be in her seat and there's no safe place to pull over.
post #143 of 166
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Originally Posted by thismama View Post
What if you are in an accident and he is badly injured, God forbid? How would that affect his trust?
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Originally Posted by ThreeBeans View Post
I think letting your child get horribly maimed or injured would probably do a lot more to break trust than five minutes of crying because she doesn't want to be in her seat and there's no safe place to pull over.
Yes, and yes.
post #144 of 166
Personally, I think raising the age for booster seat use has more to do with how effective a lobby group is in a particular state.

Baby good manufactureres in the the 80's did a good business with car seats bc laws were enacted in those years requiring seats so the market was bigger. Now, there are second hand seats and generally people are only buying one type of seat - the 5pt harness - not a lot to differeniate them; thus, enter the booster seat market.

Its funny bc I had some old catalogs from back in the 80's and those backless booster seats are featured in them and were sold back then. Same exact models. Some even included teather straps so they could be used with just lap belts. Notice that through the 80's/90's, these type of seats were rarely marketed but they were always available.

My state law laws now require a child sit in a booster till age 8. I am hoping they repeal the law by the time my child is 8. I think the max age needs to be 6.

Maggie
post #145 of 166
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Originally Posted by m9m9m9 View Post
My state law laws now require a child sit in a booster till age 8. I am hoping they repeal the law by the time my child is 8. I think the max age needs to be 6.

Maggie

I assume this is based on some sort of scientific study you carried out with regards to how effective regular seatbelts are between the ages of 6 and 8?
post #146 of 166
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Originally Posted by m9m9m9 View Post
Personally, I think raising the age for booster seat use has more to do with how effective a lobby group is in a particular state.

Baby good manufactureres in the the 80's did a good business with car seats bc laws were enacted in those years requiring seats so the market was bigger. Now, there are second hand seats and generally people are only buying one type of seat - the 5pt harness - not a lot to differeniate them; thus, enter the booster seat market.

Its funny bc I had some old catalogs from back in the 80's and those backless booster seats are featured in them and were sold back then. Same exact models. Some even included teather straps so they could be used with just lap belts. Notice that through the 80's/90's, these type of seats were rarely marketed but they were always available.

My state law laws now require a child sit in a booster till age 8. I am hoping they repeal the law by the time my child is 8. I think the max age needs to be 6.

Maggie
SH! They don't want to hear that! Don't bust the bubble that they are buying in to!
post #147 of 166
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Originally Posted by m9m9m9 View Post
Its funny bc I had some old catalogs from back in the 80's and those backless booster seats are featured in them and were sold back then. Same exact models. Some even included teather straps so they could be used with just lap belts. Notice that through the 80's/90's, these type of seats were rarely marketed but they were always available.
I know. I had one up until about '91, when I entered 7th grade. I was still wearing about a 6x-8 and 56lbs, hence, the car seat.

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My state law laws now require a child sit in a booster till age 8. I am hoping they repeal the law by the time my child is 8. I think the max age needs to be 6.

Maggie
Why? Look at a 6yo in a booster vs. an 8yo. An 8yo usually has about 3-4 inches on them, letting the belt be positioned properly over the abdomen and shoulder on the rare tall ones. I have yet to see a 6yo that can fit an adult seat properly. A booster is $14. Why isn't a child's life worth that little? They might get teased? So what?
Oh. Because it doesn't look cool. Because they should be too big for such a thing. They're not, and one look at them in a seatbelt will tell you that. I'd like to see these laws go the way of the UK and require boosters until age 10, when most kids are able to be safely restrained on their own.
post #148 of 166
I can't wait for my son to be big enough that a backless booster is "all" he needs. God that would be so convenient. They're cheap and small. How would his friends even see it?

In any case, I think bigger kids in boosters is becoming much more common. Fifteen years ago you never saw teenage boys riding their skateboards or bikes with helmets. But today, teenage boys who were preschoolers 15 years ago ALL wear their helmets. Seriously it is extremely rare for me to see anyone of any age on a bike without a helmet. The very hip 15-year-old boy next door often has a pack of friends over in the front yard and they do bike tricks in the street -- they all always have helmets on and I'm sure they would seriously razz any kid who was riding around without one.

I think booster seats for bigger kids are going the same way...especially as in my state it is the law up to age 8.
post #149 of 166
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Originally Posted by choli View Post
SH! They don't want to hear that! Don't bust the bubble that they are buying in to!
What bubble? That my child is safer in an appropriate carseat and that I want my child alive?! This is my training, this is what I do, this is not a marketing ploy, this is about research and people caring enough about their children to do over and above what the law says and fighting to get the laws changed. Lets all remember back to the day when everyone got vaxed and no one batted an eye about it and how far worse the ingredients probably were. They then replaced the OPV w/ IPV b/c it's 'safer' and now have the DTaP instead of DTP and many people are now questioning their safety and what's in them etc. Things change, research comes out, and I find it reprehensible that some of you base your child's safety on perceived marketing ploys etc. It's sad really, b/c if you did your own research on the matter, you'd find what is best for your child. I find it sad that more vaxes can be added to the 'required' bunch b/c of 1 child's issue (the CP vax) and that people can't get carseat laws changed to help keep kids safer from the #1 killer of children! :

We are in the car a lot b/c we also have nowhere to walk to and don't have great public transportation, especially for 3 kids. I spend a lot more time out of the car than in though and all that other time is spent building trust w/ my children. I just told Evan he had to ride in his old carseat last night (it's rfing and he's been ffing b/c of carseat issues here) and he dind't want to. I told him mommy wanted him to be safe and this is what we needed to do, he nodded and said o.k. mommy. He knows I try my hardest to not let anything hurt him and I care for him if something does. Putting him in his carseat is just one thing I do to build trust w/ him, b/c he actually HAS to trust me to know what is best for him. Letting a child out of their seat b/c they're crying (older children here) is manipulation IMO, they cry b/c they know that's what gets them what they want. Sad, but true. It's like a child throwing a tantrum at the store for candy or a toy. Taking them out of their seat seems to me to be reversing some of what we try and teach our children.
post #150 of 166
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Y'all know that 'lobby group' is PARENTS, right?


The ignorance on this thread is astounding.

"repeal the law"...give me a flippin' break.

I'm backing out before the nuttery gets me a moderator warning :
post #151 of 166
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Originally Posted by LilyGrace View Post
I have yet to see a 6yo that can fit an adult seat properly. A booster is $14. Why isn't a child's life worth that little? They might get teased? So what?
Oh. Because it doesn't look cool. Because they should be too big for such a thing. They're not, and one look at them in a seatbelt will tell you that.



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Originally Posted by wednesday View Post
The very hip 15-year-old boy next door often has a pack of friends over in the front yard and they do bike tricks in the street -- they all always have helmets on and I'm sure they would seriously razz any kid who was riding around without one.
Awesome kids!!!!!!!



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Originally Posted by thepeach80 View Post
this is not a marketing ploy, this is about research and people caring enough about their children to do over and above what the law says and fighting to get the laws changed.

... Things change, research comes out, and I find it reprehensible that some of you base your child's safety on perceived marketing ploys etc.

... Putting him in his carseat is just one thing I do to build trust w/ him, b/c he actually HAS to trust me to know what is best for him.

... Taking them out of their seat seems to me to be reversing some of what we try and teach our children.




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Originally Posted by ThreeBeans View Post
: : : :


Y'all know that 'lobby group' is PARENTS, right?


The ignorance on this thread is astounding.

"repeal the law"...give me a flippin' break.
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post #152 of 166
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Originally Posted by m9m9m9 View Post
Its funny bc I had some old catalogs from back in the 80's and those backless booster seats are featured in them and were sold back then. Same exact models. Some even included teather straps so they could be used with just lap belts. Notice that through the 80's/90's, these type of seats were rarely marketed but they were always available.
I am going to arrogantly quote myself. What I wrote about aftermarket seat positioners also applies to boosters used with just lap belts. It's not propaganda. I don't make a dime from advocating carseat use; in fact, I spend plenty of my own dimes on training and supplies and childcare while I'm off checking seats. I'm glad that people care enough to lobby for more effective restraints.

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In most cases, the aftermarket seatbelt positioners raise the lap belt to across the abdomen. This would mean that in a crash, the crash forces would be transferred into the abdomen and there would be a high probability of organ damage. Properly fitting seatbelts allow the crash forces to be absorbed by the shoulders and hips, which are large bones and more able to withstand crash forces than internal organs.
post #153 of 166
I can understand where one might see marketing and advertising a $ 300-$ 400 car seat as "propaganda". However, one just can't compare that to advocating and making law the use of a device (a BPB) that enables a vehicles lap and shoulder belts to fit a child, thereby enabling the seat belt to actually fit to restrain said child. When your child passes the 5 step test, then it is a moot point. Do we buy shoes 5 sizes too large for our children and expect them to be able to wear them?
post #154 of 166
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Originally Posted by dallaschildren View Post
I can understand where one might see marketing and advertising a $ 300-$ 400 car seat as "propaganda". However, one just can't compare that to advocating and making law the use of a device (a BPB) that enables a vehicles lap and shoulder belts to fit a child, thereby enabling the seat belt to actually fit to restrain said child. When your child passes the 5 step test, then it is a moot point. Do we buy shoes 5 sizes too large for our children and expect them to be able to wear them?
I will agree with that: yes, it may be "propaganda" to claim that only Britaxes and Recaros and Safeguards will keep kids safe. But keeping kids harnessed and/or properly belted is in line with the laws of physics, common sense, and most states.
post #155 of 166
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Originally Posted by chickabiddy View Post
I will agree with that: yes, it may be "propaganda" to claim that only Britaxes and Recaros and Safeguards will keep kids safe. But keeping kids harnessed and/or properly belted is in line with the laws of physics, common sense, and most states.
I think we are in agreement? I don't know about you, but I have had a REALLY tough time as a CPS professional and as a person with the whole recommended/best safety practice equaling big bucks on one manufacturer for many years (and even now only 3 or 4 choices each with their own idiosyncrasies). I am disenchanted with CRS manufacturers in general, vehicle makers, and from uneducated politicians who kill our bills without hesitation. Who does this legislation protect? Vehicle makers and CRS makers. Who is it suppose to protect? Our CHILDREN. But we will plug on. Sigh.

DC
post #156 of 166
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Originally Posted by dallaschildren View Post
I think we are in agreement? I don't know about you, but I have had a REALLY tough time as a CPS professional and as a person with the whole recommended/best safety practice equaling big bucks on one manufacturer for many years (and even now only 3 or 4 choices each with their own idiosyncrasies). I am disenchanted with CRS manufacturers in general, vehicle makers, and from uneducated politicians who kill our bills without hesitation. Who does this legislation protect? Vehicle makers and CRS makers. Who is it suppose to protect? Our CHILDREN. But we will plug on. Sigh.

DC
I think we are *completely* in agreement! I am not anti-Britax -- my daughter adores her "cow" Marathon (and the fact that she adores it makes it so much easier to keep her harnessed!). But I am frustrated that the answer to "how do I keep my child safe?" is so often "buy a fancy spendy seat", and also that people who can't afford to spend $300 per seat feel frustrated that they can't keep their child safe and end up going straight to backless boosters or even seatbelts.
post #157 of 166
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Originally Posted by lilyka View Post
well my 7 year old is 4'3" and I can't imagine making her sit in a car seat. my 10 year old is short for her age but has to be over 5'9" or right at it. I wouldn't dream of making Madeline sit in a carseat. How humiliating. I don't know a single person in real life who would even consider it.
You may not have a choice soon. My state just passed a new carseat law. 8 years old AND 60lbs to be out of a booster.
post #158 of 166
I just wanted to take a moment to address the issue of "forcing" a child to sit in a carseat and the fear of a resulting dismantling of trust. This was quite a sub-theme in the thread, going a couple of pages back.

It might become a matter of "forcing" if the child has been given reason to believe that other options are normal/acceptable. Our 6-year-old is in a high-back booster. None of her friends are. This is of absolutely no concern to her (yet she is quite 6-going-on-17 in many other ways). I realize there are limits to that; if she would be in a booster at age 14 and none of her friends were, I would be foolish if I didn't expect a fight.

But back to normalcy diffusing a need to "force":
My kids see that my husband and I wear seatbelts every single time we are in a vehicle. They have no reason to think anyone is "forcing" us to do that. It's simple: it's just what you do. No child in my family feels "forced" to have a drink of milk/water/juice when thirsty. It's simple: it's just what you do.

"Force" applies in situation of multiple choices. At least some of the comments around not forcing one's child into a traumatic carseat ride were made by individual(s) who had clearly in the past presented traveling in the car out of the carseat as an option.
post #159 of 166
My son is very small for his age only about the size of an average six or seven year-old instead of almost ten. He is very embarrassed about his booster. When it comes to giving him a ride after school with his friends in tow he would rather walk home than to let them see him in a booster.
I put that out there cause it does matter to some kids. Luckily our truck has adjustable seat-belts, they can be raised up or down and he is just barely too mall on the lowest settings still. Hopefully by the end of this year that will have changed.
post #160 of 166
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Originally Posted by ThreeBeans View Post
Unless your kid is tall enough to sit safely in a seatbelt it's absolutely stunned to say, "Ok, you know, I think at 9 you are old enough to die in a car crash. No booster for you!"

Good grief. If your kid needs a booster, put him in it, don't pass on your weird insecurities to your child (the general 'you' of course)
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