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Poll Results: How old is too old for a child to be in a booster seat?

 
  • 16% (23)
    7-9 years
  • 23% (32)
    10 years
  • 5% (7)
    11 years
  • 11% (16)
    12 years
  • 5% (8)
    13 years
  • 2% (4)
    14 years
  • 0% (1)
    15 years
  • 0% (1)
    16 years
  • 0% (1)
    17 years
  • 32% (44)
    18+ years if the person hasn't reached 4ft. 9in.
137 Total Votes  
post #81 of 166
Good lord people. We are not talking about strapping your teen in to a frickin Britax Marathon.

I'm sorry, but sitting ontop of a backless booster if you are one of the very, very few teens that would be under 4'9" just does not seem like the end of the world ... and certainly, undoubtably a lifesaving measure.
post #82 of 166
just a thought that flew by me as i was reading all the posts in this thread....

Car seats for children have been around since 1933, even though safety was not the goal with these seats, lifting the child up higher for the adults was the purpose.

SAFETY seats for children were invented in 1962 in England and were available by 1970. In 1975 only 5% of children used a safety seat, in 1978 the first mandatory laws were put into place but it took until 1985 for all 50 states to have laws regarding safety seats.

I will assume that none of us here would even THINK about hopping into a car and putting our 18 month old in the backseat without a safety seat. We wouldn't just hold our 7 week old in our arms. We are educated, we KNOW how important these seats are!

To those that are worried about how their older child will "feel" about being in a booster ----- what a shame it would have been in 1985 if parents across the board thought "no way, we haven't used these, my child has never used this, she / he will feel odd!" In 20 more years, having a 13 year old in a booster could be as commonplace as having a 2 year old in a seat. Think about it. Change for the better always starts SOMEWHERE and SOMETIME. Instead of focusing on negatives, think of your child being a pioneer in part of a new safety seat "movement" (nix that word law!).... how lucky are they? Education is the key guys....it has always and will always make things better for us all.
post #83 of 166
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Originally Posted by zendhi View Post
just a thought that flew by me as i was reading all the posts in this thread....

Car seats for children have been around since 1933, even though safety was not the goal with these seats, lifting the child up higher for the adults was the purpose.

SAFETY seats for children were invented in 1962 in England and were available by 1970. In 1975 only 5% of children used a safety seat, in 1978 the first mandatory laws were put into place but it took until 1985 for all 50 states to have laws regarding safety seats.

I will assume that none of us here would even THINK about hopping into a car and putting our 18 month old in the backseat without a safety seat. We wouldn't just hold our 7 week old in our arms. We are educated, we KNOW how important these seats are!

To those that are worried about how their older child will "feel" about being in a booster ----- what a shame it would have been in 1985 if parents across the board thought "no way, we haven't used these, my child has never used this, she / he will feel odd!" In 20 more years, having a 13 year old in a booster could be as commonplace as having a 2 year old in a seat. Think about it. Change for the better always starts SOMEWHERE and SOMETIME. Instead of focusing on negatives, think of your child being a pioneer in part of a new safety seat "movement" (nix that word law!).... how lucky are they? Education is the key guys....it has always and will always make things better for us all.



EXCELLENT point!
post #84 of 166
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Originally Posted by BelgianSheepDog View Post
Yeah ER nurses and NICU nurses are usually deadset against homebirth too. Confirmation bias and all. I'm all for carseats. I just think the way people beat this dead horse is ridiculous. Keep the state out of our lives when it comes to vax, is the MDC line, but everyone get on your cell and call 911 over carseat infractions! Whatever. I just like consistency now and then.
I agree - it really is ridiculous. The act of driving the car at all is so dangerous that to persuade oneself that paying for the most expensive carseat you can find is going to magically make it safe for kids defies logic. But again, it at least gives the illusion of safety leading to more peace of mind. Cos you know, if people decided to drive less, car companies, oil companies, and car seat manufacturers would make less money - it ain't the american way...
post #85 of 166
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Originally Posted by choli View Post
I agree - it really is ridiculous. The act of driving the car at all is so dangerous that to persuade oneself that paying for the most expensive carseat you can find is going to magically make it safe for kids defies logic. But again, it at least gives the illusion of safety leading to more peace of mind. Cos you know, if people decided to drive less, car companies, oil companies, and car seat manufacturers would make less money - it ain't the american way...
Ha! I like your post...that $300 britax makes you kid much more safe, right? I drive about once a week now with my child - he hates the carseat, so we generally get the bus/train/tube. When we do go in the car, he probably comes out at least once while we are driving. I am not about to let him CIO in a carseat (people here are generally against CIO but it's SO different in a carseat) Is he at less risk than a child who is in the car twice a day? I think not.I think it is emotionally damaging to children to cry in a carseat everytime they are in one. The danger of them being emotionally damaged is far greater then the risk of them being physically damaged in a crash imo. I don't get the carseat attitude here. It really baffles me if I am honest. Yes they are good, yes you should have one if you have a car, but honestly it seems like you are instantly judged a "bad parent" if (a) you don't have your child stapped up to the wazoo every minute they are in the car and (b) if you don't even own a car and occasionaly put your child in a taxi/friend's car without a britax rounymarathonyybouty seat!:
post #86 of 166
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Originally Posted by roxyrox View Post
(b) if you don't even own a car and occasionaly put your child in a taxi/friend's car without a britax rounymarathonyybouty seat!:

I look at car seats as doing what I can for my kids. If I can keep them safe, I will. It's the same thing as early solids - why, oh, why risk a child's health for your convienence? Would you really want to live with the lifelong consequences and guilt? Knowing that there was something you could have done to prevent it, but pride or comfort got in your way?

If you put a child in a car without a carseat, yes, I would judge you. It doesn't matter if you don't own the car - if you have a kid it is your responsibility to make sure they're safe. Be it a Britax or Evenflo, it doesn't matter as long as it is installed properly and fits your child. But to go without one? No. Not okay in the least.
post #87 of 166
My kids will be harnessed until they outgrow their Marathons, and boostered until the seatbelt fits them properly.

I may be an "atypical" MDC member, though... in general, DH and I made decisions for the children and they are to follow those decisions. My 6 1/2 year old is still harnessed, and while he's asked a couple of times "when will I be able to be in a (booster) seat like so-and-so," he happily accept my answer: "you'll be in a booster when it's safer for you to be in the booster seat than to be in your harness."

I will add that my kids are of "normal" height... not exceptionally tall or short. I do not expect either of them to be under 4'9" tall as teenagers. If that makes a difference.
post #88 of 166
No one said anything about 'you need to buy a Britax'.


I will freely judge anyone who does anything as stunned as removing a child from a CRS while the vehicle is in motion, just because the child is crying.

I'd rather hear my child cry than go to my child's funeral.

Yes, we ALL know that not being in a car is safer than being in one, but saying, "Oh, well, I'm in the car now" is not a license to be foolhardy.
post #89 of 166
I'm not sure when we'll ditch the booster seat. DS is short for his age, and DH was 4'10" until the 9th grade, so we may have to cheat a little. I just can't see making a 12-year-old ride in a booster seat.
post #90 of 166
I'm 5' tall and just barely over 100 lbs. Seatbelts don't fit me properly, but I doubt I'd be able to squeeze my butt into a booster. In terms of small teens/adults, it's not just about height, it's about width. I'm short enough to sit in chairs made for children, but good luck getting me in, or out! Children need to be in boosters, but with as little as I drive, I don't think it'll be worth the fight if Andy or any other children I have are short when they're tweens/teens.
post #91 of 166
My dds will ride in them until they outgrow them or demonstrate they fit in the adult seatbelt system safely. Both of them are tall so it's going to happen eventually. My 6yo's classmates, some of them, don't use a booster anymore because their parents feel they are too old and it's for babies. They even let their 6yo's ride in the front seat with an airbag. Dd wanted to know why she couldn't do that too and I said that each family had its own rules.
post #92 of 166
Until it's safe for them to use the vehicle seat belt alone. But my kids won't be in non-harnessed booster seats for a LONG time; there are currently 2 seats available that harness to 80lbs and that is the single safest way for a child (or anyone else) to ride, so they'll be in harnesses till they outgrow them. Then we'll visit the booster seat route.
post #93 of 166
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Originally Posted by roxyrox View Post
I am not about to let him CIO in a carseat (people here are generally against CIO but it's SO different in a carseat) .
It is different for me because part of the reason I don't agree with CIO is because I don't think it is good for their brains. However, a car wreck, even a hard stop or turn, can cause much longer lasting and serious damage than a little bit of CIO ever could. I would much rather my kid be pissed off at me and alive, than happily nursing and dead. I DEFINATLY would have a difficult time living with myself if I knew that my body weight crushed my child because I wasn't enough of a grown up to just wait a few minutes to nurse them. It isn't like they are going to starve in the few minutes (or even a half hour or whatever) that it can take to pull over and nurse them safely.

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I think it is emotionally damaging to children to cry in a carseat everytime they are in one. The danger of them being emotionally damaged is far greater then the risk of them being physically damaged in a crash imo .
in MY opinion, this is just dead wrong. I find it really short-sighted to think a child will forever be damaged because they cried for a few minutes. It isn't like they are in a dark room and have no comforting voice of mama/daddy talking to them like you do in a car. They are not "abandoned" in a carseat, they are just pissed off because they are being restrained.

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I don't get the carseat attitude here. It really baffles me if I am honest. Yes they are good, yes you should have one if you have a car, but honestly it seems like you are instantly judged a "bad parent" if (a) you don't have your child stapped up to the wazoo every minute they are in the car and (b) if you don't even own a car and occasionaly put your child in a taxi/friend's car without a britax rounymarathonyybouty seat!:
Yes, I will judge you as a bad parent if you don't care enough about your children to keep them safe when riding in a several ton bullet. I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings, but I just can't see how it in ANY way is contrary to AP. Why is it worth taking the chance of killing your child over something so easy and simple.

I also think it is pretty mean to make fun of people who own Britax. It makes you sound jealous and petty. I have been super low income, but have a Britax because at the time I needed it, it was the only one with a high enough weight limit for my child, who was off the charts in height at the time but was (and still isn't) in any way ready to be in a normal booster seat. I would never judge somebody for having a cheaper model, frankly, I don't even know the prices of seats because I was just looking at the height weight limits and only found one option at the time, and I had to order it online. It isn't like I was doing it for prestige...you should see the car it went in to. If I could get a better car I would, but that is a whole different price point than a carseat.
post #94 of 166
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Originally Posted by Jennifer Z View Post
I also think it is pretty mean to make fun of people who own Britax. It makes you sound jealous and petty. .

I actually have a Britax seat for my child too so I am not jealous or petty My point was the attitude here.

After my post on this thread someone started a spinoff about cio in carseats. (now locked) Hopefully it will be returned!
post #95 of 166
I stopped using booster seats for my kids when they were ~5 and wouldn't have liked to have used them longer. My kids are now nearly 21, 13, 13 and 9 if that makes a difference. I know I was always within Maryland law (IIRC, it was 4 years and 40 pounds).
post #96 of 166
I'm in the process of purchasing a few Regents for my boys ages 2 and 6.5, which means putting my 46 lb 6.5 yo son back into a harnessed seat from a belt positioning booster. He's been asking recently when he'll be old and big enough to take the back of the Graco Turbobooster he uses, and I'm anticipating a huge event when he finds out his new seat is a 5 point harness and not some ultra-cool backless booster. But.......I'm the mom. When he's 16 and still super short, he won't be driving anyway, b/c we're not going to do driver licenses until 18 years of age. If he can't pass the 5 point seatbelt test at that point, I"ll figure something out.
post #97 of 166
I have a quick question re. older kids (12 yrs and up) in carseats. How do you deal with carpooling? Do your children put their booster seats in their lockers at school? How about when they go somewhere with their friends and one parent drops off/ one picks up? Do they carry the booster through the library/ mall/ etc?
I worry that, as laws change and children are manadated to stay in carseats later and later, people will break the laws and then children will see all laws as "bendable".
post #98 of 166
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Originally Posted by mmarie58 View Post
I have a quick question re. older kids (12 yrs and up) in carseats. How do you deal with carpooling? Do your children put their booster seats in their lockers at school? How about when they go somewhere with their friends and one parent drops off/ one picks up? Do they carry the booster through the library/ mall/ etc?
I worry that, as laws change and children are manadated to stay in carseats later and later, people will break the laws and then children will see all laws as "bendable".
It may take a while, but as laws change, I really think people's attitudes will change. Those of use w/ 3 and 4yo's now have several years to think about it and hopefully by the time they are 12 and may still need boosters, the thinking won't be as foreign. If going someplace like a library, I would ask if they could keep the booster at the front desk while I did what I needed to do. Malls usually have storage lockers you can rent for $1. If your child has a big enough book back, you probably could fit a small backless booster in there. I would make sure I knew who was picking up my child though and communicate to them (and of course the child) that is a non-negotiable that the child sits in their booster seat.
post #99 of 166
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Originally Posted by mmarie58 View Post
I have a quick question re. older kids (12 yrs and up) in carseats. How do you deal with carpooling? Do your children put their booster seats in their lockers at school? How about when they go somewhere with their friends and one parent drops off/ one picks up? Do they carry the booster through the library/ mall/ etc?
I worry that, as laws change and children are manadated to stay in carseats later and later, people will break the laws and then children will see all laws as "bendable".

I think at that age I would be more inclined to have a few devices - booster and H harness. The harness is more portable. Although I also see cars keeping up with safety standards, and perhaps a built in booster that can be pulled out in ever seat would be available by then.
post #100 of 166
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Originally Posted by 1xmom View Post
My dd is 7 and is in a booster. She thinks the cup holders are cool so she doesn't mind it.
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My 7-yo is in a belt-positioning booster (with the back on), and probably will be until she's at least 8. She doesn't blink an eye over it. Most of her friends and cousins who are her age use a similar seat. The exception is one cousin - but IMO she has never been properly restrained in the car, anyway (harness straps/chest plate not properly fastened/positioned/tightened, infant seat turned front-facing too early, in a booster too soon, using a seatbelt only too soon). In fact, my SIL took DD somewhere recently and didn't bother to grab the booster from my car - I chased her down and put DD in the booster myself.


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Originally Posted by zendhi View Post
To those that are worried about how their older child will "feel" about being in a booster ----- what a shame it would have been in 1985 if parents across the board thought "no way, we haven't used these, my child has never used this, she / he will feel odd!" In 20 more years, having a 13 year old in a booster could be as commonplace as having a 2 year old in a seat. Think about it. Change for the better always starts SOMEWHERE and SOMETIME. Instead of focusing on negatives, think of your child being a pioneer in part of a new safety seat "movement" (nix that word law!).... how lucky are they? Education is the key guys....it has always and will always make things better for us all.


My own mother still complains about "these COMPLICATED car seats and the damn laws!" and what a pain they are - how I rode happily in a "car bed" on the backseat floor, or in her lap, and how the good old days were so much better.

She only wears a seatbelt if my kids are with her and they tell her to put it on. She gets huffy about her clothes getting wrinkled, and the "law" telling her what to do.


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Originally Posted by roxyrox View Post
The danger of them being emotionally damaged is far greater then the risk of them being physically damaged in a crash imo.
Hunnnnnhhhhh? :

: As the parent of two children who the victims of a HORRIBLE head-on crash (their dad was nearly killed) - I can tell you that your statement above makes me want to vomit. Had they not been properly restrained - well, I don't want to even think about that.

"Emotional damage" from sitting in a safety seat vs. physical damage from a car crash? THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO COMPARISON.
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