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Poll Results: would you send your caucasian child to the school described below?

 
  • 27% (93)
    Yes.
  • 40% (137)
    No.
  • 26% (90)
    Maybe/ not sure.
  • 4% (15)
    Other.
335 Total Votes  
post #41 of 436
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Originally Posted by eclipse View Post
I'm just shocked at some of the responses here .
Why the shock?

People are only liberal/accepting to an extent. When it hits too close to home, then really people reveal their "true colors" (no pun intended). Its like the movie Crash, you may be cool with some people of different races, but it doesn't go beyond that (and really we all have some preconceived ideas of different racial groups, sadly).

I wonder how (after Brown vs. The Board) the first group of African American students felt being bused to white schools, were they welcomed with open arms? I think not. OP do what you think is right, based on how your children and you feel about the situation. You even considering this school shows at least you are open to alternatives, even if the alternative isn't so neatly packaged.
post #42 of 436

i send my white child to an all black school

With the exception of 2 asian children he is the only white face in this small christian school in a super white neighborhood. most of these kids are bussed less than 10 miles from the innercity. They are wonderful respectful kids and not once has my 7 year old mentioned that all his classmates have darker skin than he, perhaps because my DF is indian and our daughter together is biracial...ive always exposed him to diffrent cultures. Id suggest anyone give it a try. also I think the leading question in this thread should have been "would you send your child to a school with average test scores and avg facilities? rather than what it was.
peace
post #43 of 436
Thread Starter 
I have noticed that parents who don't seem racist will be racist when it comes to housing and schools. They may claim to have no problem with AAs but they will not buy a house in an AA neighborhood. They do not want their children going to a school that has more than a modest percentage of AA students. I have seen this too many times to count.

For me, what matters most in a school is student behavior. If a school with great test scores and gorgeous facilities has a bullying problem, if the kids are poorly behaved, it will be worse than a school that is equipped in a mediocre state but has well behaved, committed students and a caring staff.
post #44 of 436
Where I went to high school my sister and I were THE ONLY white kids there.
We lived in the inner city of Chicago
Our HS was across the street from a very large housing project complex.
Only 25% of kids passed standardized tests.

That being said, I would send my kids to the school you described.

How did I turn out? I had a blast! I graduated valedictorian with a 4.0 GPA, I scored a 32 on my ACT and 1460 on my SAT
I enjoyed high school so much, I attended an HBCU.
I married my high school sweetheart and we have a beautiful biracial DS
post #45 of 436
Theoritically speaking, yes. (We don't send our kids to school so it's a mute point from that pov, but if we did, I would.) Personally we put no stock into test scores. I'd be much more concerned with teacher/staff feelings towards the students - in this case they are kind and caring - and also the overall behavior of the school - sounds like everyone gets along very well.
post #46 of 436
The problem that I see is really the facilities... as the OP stated the facilities were "pretty abysmal."

Despite all the other positives I just can't overlook that, having been in abysmal facilities that, yes, were clean ~ but poorly lit and just really an awful environment to be surrounded by for 6-8 hours a day. I don't think that it's right to ignore the impact our surroundings have on our overall health, not just physical but emotional. Then again I'm drawing a lot of my beliefs on this from Mothering, specifically that one about the Straw Bale school that included research on children's environment and links to their development and health.


The issue of race, IMO, complicates things needlessly. I wouldn't want my kids to attend a poorly funded all-White school with nearly abysmal facilities, either, even if the faculty and staff are nice. I wouldn't want ANY child to have to be in that environment, but I guess that's another issue (ie., why American children have to be in these conditions across the USA and why American education sucks, etc etc ad nauseum )...



But then again, after considering for a few more moments, regardless of race or ethnicity or diversity or whatever, if I had the opportunity to put my children in an excellent private Christian school that had great teachers and a curriculum that I really could stand behind (one that engages the students and doesn't rely on test-taking) ~ I would jump on it, even if the facilities weren't that great. So maybe that's comparable? :
Hmm.
post #47 of 436
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Originally Posted by Nikki98 View Post
Why the shock?
maybe I should have said saddened rather than schocked.
post #48 of 436
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Aura_Kitten View Post
The problem that I see is really the facilities... as the OP stated the facilities were "pretty abysmal."
I did not say "pretty abysmal."
post #49 of 436
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Originally Posted by dachshundqueen View Post
2) I was beat up by the black kids at school (some of whom were on parole) when we switched schools in 11th grade - we were going to go to the Catholic school vs. PS HS BUT the principal recommended the social scene would be difficult for me entering at 11th grade - I think getting beat up was worse
Liz
All the black kids? Really? Or just some kids, that also happened to be black?



I am white, went to a white school and I got beat up, my hair burned terrorized after school every day. My children make up an extremely small minority of biracial or POC in their school, and they get treated just like every one else, for the most part. If they did get beat up, however, I would NEVER characterize it as "my children got beat up by the white kids" as if it were ALL the white kids.
post #50 of 436
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Originally Posted by eclipse View Post
I'm just shocked at some of the responses here .
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post #51 of 436
I think that if it were a choice between a mainly-caucasian school, a very diverse school, and a mainly-african-american school--all other factors being equal--I would be most interested in the diverse and african american schools, and probably more in the african american school. I think it can be a really great experience to not be part of the majority for awhile. Diversity here often still has a predominantly caucasian majority.

OTOH, (a) all other factors are rarely equal esp where race and $ are involved, and (b) I'm more interested in homeschooling.
post #52 of 436
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by alisonsvw View Post
"would you send your child to a school with average test scores and avg facilities? rather than what it was.
peace
No.... race is a factor in the decision and quite possibly the less than lovely facilities might seem worse than they would otherwise if a parent had reservations about the race issue. Even a poster here read my word "dismal" as "abysmal..." big difference in meaning!

When I first noticed this school I wondered, "What is wrong with this school that all white parents are avoiding it like the plague... surely there is something terrible there."

But when I went to visit I was pleasantly surprised by what I found.

So why are the parents of caucasian children not enrolling their students?

It can't be the facilities because there are white schools with equally blah facilities.

It can't be the location of the school, because there are white families in my neighborhood.

It can't be the test scores because there are white schools with low-to-average test scores.

As I said there are no behavioral problems in the school.

So why are white parents in the neighborhood parents sending their kids to private school further away, that are white? It leaves only the issue of race.
post #53 of 436
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by gethane View Post
All the black kids? Really? Or just some kids, that also happened to be black?



I am white, went to a white school and I got beat up, my hair burned terrorized after school every day.
I was viciously bullied by white children too... and I am white.
post #54 of 436
No, I would not.

I would prefer to send my daughter to a school that has racial diversity. 99% AA and 1% Caucasian is not diverse, any more than 99% C. and 1% AA.
post #55 of 436
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Originally Posted by meowee View Post
I have noticed that parents who don't seem racist will be racist when it comes to housing and schools. They may claim to have no problem with AAs but they will not buy a house in an AA neighborhood. They do not want their children going to a school that has more than a modest percentage of AA students. I have seen this too many times to count.

For me, what matters most in a school is student behavior. If a school with great test scores and gorgeous facilities has a bullying problem, if the kids are poorly behaved, it will be worse than a school that is equipped in a mediocre state but has well behaved, committed students and a caring staff.

Ditto! Luckily we are in a military community and the school my ds will be going to this fall has alot of diversity.

Also I wanted to add this. We are an AA family. My sister lived in a Predominately white neighborhood, job everything when living in Searcy , AR. When she got married, they moved to TN, her son went to an all black school and she hated it. The cursing, the kids not knowing how to count, read, etc.

So she yanked him out and said he will never go to an all black school AND..
yes, he himself is black. He now goes to a school that is predominately white...




Crazy huh..
post #56 of 436
This is not a theoretical question for us. We are white. We live in an extremely racially and economically segregated town. We intentionally chose to live on what we joke is the only integrated street on our city (three streets over is all AA, two blocks north is almost all white again). Our DD is zoned for a school that is 98% African American. However, unlike this example, the school has terrible test scores and poor facilities and is known as "the worst" school in town. It's not just about race, but economics--about 95% of the school is also eligible for free or reduced-price lunch, and some large percentage of the students are absent 20% or more of the school year. There is another school that's mostly AA that's supposed to be much better, but that's not where we're zoned.

DD won't be going there; we'll be trying to send her to one of the city's charter or magnet schools instead. If it were just her being an extreme racial minority, that'd be one thing, but even that...I think it's hard on a kid, whether the kid is the only white kid in an all AA school or an only AA kid in an all-white school. It's a lot for your kid to carry, you know? I don't think it's quite as easy as saying that people who would hesitate to do this are racist and sad. The reality is that your kid is going to experience some consequences from this. I'm not saying some kids wouldn't do fine, but it would be a matter for serious consideration.

And in my case--I'm about as liberal as they come, but is it right to make my child a sacrificial lamb for economic equality? (I'm not talking about the OP's example here, but my own.) You know, I also find that the people who are the most "bothered" by our decision and think we should "get in there and change the system" are the ones who happen to be zoned for the white, wealthy schools. They didn't find it racist when they chose their house because of its "good schools," but now I'm racist? Hmm.
post #57 of 436
It really saddens me to hear people choosing schools based on the economic status of the children who attend. Maybe it's because I was that kid who gopt free lunch.
post #58 of 436
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Originally Posted by meowee View Post
So why are the parents of caucasian children not enrolling their students?

It can't be the facilities because there are white schools with equally blah facilities.

It can't be the location of the school, because there are white families in my neighborhood.

It can't be the test scores because there are white schools with low-to-average test scores.

As I said there are no behavioral problems in the school.

So why are white parents in the neighborhood parents sending their kids to private school further away, that are white? It leaves only the issue of race.
I don't understand what you're saying. You said there are white schools with low test scores, blah facilities, etc, but do the private schools that the neighborhood parents send their children to have low test scores and blah facilities? Private schools generally have better facilities than public from my experience. If school A (public, mostly AA) has average test scores, school B (public, mostly white) has low test scores, and school C (private, mostly white) has high test scores; then I don't see how parents who can afford the private school, regardless of their race, choosing the one with the highest test scores can be classified as racist. If it's between school A and school D (public, mostly white, low test scores; or even average test scores) then I get what you're saying. That does sound like some racism going on, but I bet it's on a higher group/institutional level rather than each individual parent thinking about it in terms of race.

For parents, there are still probably other factors like where the child's friends are going, where classmates from preschool are going, where they can work out carpool arrangements more easily, religious choices if it's a religious private school, or about prestige/cache of proving you can afford a private school. There's too many other factors involved for me to say a given person or people are being racist based on where they send their child to school IMO.

We're white, and while we might be able to squeeze out enough cash for private school if we also got a scholarship, I decided years ago not to send dd to the very good, well regarded private school near our house because the playground at recess time had no non-white or asian children. In New York City, especially, that's weird and unnatural to me. I'd like to homeschool, but we have good, diverse public schools in our zone too. Oh yeah, and eclipse, I went to a very good, very diverse, had to keep certain grades to stay in middle school and enough children got free breakfast/lunch that they made the free breakfast open to everyone in the school. We organized breakfast cram sessions/study hall around it. While socio-economic status can be related to test scores and academic achievement, it's not always.
post #59 of 436
Thread Starter 
Eviesmom there are very affordable private schools here (about $3000-5000 per child often with sibling discounts, 25-75% scholarships available) and yes the white families in my neighborhood send their kids to equivalent schools with the only difference being race. Some even live on the same street as this all AA school yet still send their kids to schools farther away that are white. I know one family that used a fraudulent address to get into a white public school to avoid the diverse zoned school.

It does sadden me to see people put so much importance on how many students are getting free lunch... why is a school necessarily better if the students don't qualify for free lunch? That is incredibly classist! Do you (general you) think poor people are stupid and violent?
post #60 of 436
One of the problems with many schools in AA communities is that they lack the money and resources that many suburban schools have, which is really disheartening. It just shows how our current educational system is very off kilter. I think what really gets me is that no one has really acknowledged how it must of been for AA kids to be sent to mostly white schools (with white teachers) in the past. Now when the tables are turned, well it isn't acceptable right? At least the mentioned school has white teachers, teacher that meowee's children can identify with racially. In this "community" of us it is so interesting that some of us may do things outside of the norm-no vax, no circ, no hospital birth, no toliet paper, etc., but when it comes down to the subject of race the past still raises its ugly head (it seems that preconcived ideas of race are so hard to let go). It is one thing to say "I celebrate diversity" is another thing to live it. No one knows what really is said or done behind closed doors.
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