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post #61 of 136
Jumping in while this thread is only 3 pages--usually I notice it when it's about a million long and I'm too overwhelmed at that point!

Life is chugging right along here.

I've got to send my h.s. paperwork in for the first time here in a few days! Eeek and Yay, y'know?

We've been playing with our new Wii! That thing is COOL!

Tending to the garden.

Yesterday we painted chairs.

We met up with some other unschoolers who were visiting our area--god bless the internet!

Swimming in our pool.

Set up the screen room in the backyard--we don't need to wait for camping--let's USE it!

Playing with some new friends--Thank goodness--that's my 5 yr. old extrovert's lifeblood.

We've watched Sky High about 450 times.

Oh and the 5 yr. old and my husband have been playing lots of Parcheesi (sp??), which I have NO idea how to play--so maybe I'll take that up here soon.

And I've been taking lots of pictures and blogging about our days. I can't recommend this enough!! I sooo forget the cool things we've done and start to feel like, "Oh my god, ALL we do is sit around watch Sky High!" But, the blog is tangible proof that there is so much more going on in our lives.
post #62 of 136
I'm just reading the posts quickly while cooking dinner with DD, and I saw this line
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Tending to the garden.

Yesterday we painted chairs.
and somehow I read "Tending to the garden, Yesterday we PLANTED chairs"

I had to read it 3 times before I saw my mistake. Funny how our eyes can play tricks...

Anyway, DD has taken a sudden interest in bridges, and started constructing them all over the place; our yard is now a maze of little holes and trenches she's dug, with little stick bridges over them. So we're gonna start a project to build a bigger bridge; one that we can actually walk on!
post #63 of 136
Ha!

Think of the CSA I could start if I could grow Adirondack chairs out there!
post #64 of 136
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Can
you bottle some of whatever it is your DD has? It's noon here and my unschooler is still sleeping!!

I'm still wondering at what point I should get involved with her sleeping pattern. She likes to read until 1 or 2 AM and then sleep really, really late. Should I just let this go for the summer, or should I try to get her to bed earlier?
Groan... this is my dd1 to the T! She loves to sleep in all morning...I think that once she reaches puberty she will only wake at sunset.

She's been like this since she was 3... In fact, it's what sparked our initial exploration of homeschooling. I spent a year of preschool fighting with her every morning.: I told dh that I was not going to spend our dd's childhood being a drill sargent. We tried everything to get her to go to sleep earlier and that didn't work.

I think she's wired this way...at home. See, when we travel, she tends to get up earlier....unless we're staying at someone's house. This past week we were camping and then staying at a yoga center. She woke up btwn 7-7:30 every morning! That's about 3-5 hours early for her!

It's definitely causing friction. Dd2 wakes up really early...and wants to go outside. Our yard is under construction...so we have no where to go. I'd love to do outside summer things before it gets too hot and then come back for dd2's nap. We usually end up waiting around for dd1 to wake up and then hassle her out the door. Sigh. Dd1 loves to be in the woods, etc, but I have a really hard time getting her to leave the house when we are at home.

This weekend, her program was starting around 8 each morning. I asked her how I could get her up that early at home and she told me to try playing music really loud! So, maybe I'll give it a try and see what happens.
post #65 of 136
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I'm so not into "bedtimes". I really believe that my child should be free to go to sleep and wake up when her body wants to. And its working fine for us.
In my heart, I agree with this. I hate being coercive about this. But, I'm having trouble balancing my needs with the kids. Dh is gone 4 days a week. I need my day to end at some point...and dd2 needs to be able to get out of the house before 1pm.

I guess I need to talk it out with dd1. When I don't move along the bedtime routine (and we only insist on brushing and flossing...because we can't afford to pay to fix a ton of cavities. I've never had one, but dd1 has already had 2.) and tell dd that she needs to be in her room, she wanders all over the house doing art projects, etc and bringing them to show me well into the night.

She can do whatever she wants in her own space...but I need to know that that house is not going to be destroyed when I wake up in the morning (and don't be thinking that this means my house is clean!, we have very relaxed standards out of necessity!).

I need to figure out both how to let go on this...and how to reach some compromise on the needs of dd2...and ME!

I'd love suggestions and ideas.
post #66 of 136
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I think she's wired this way...at home. See, when we travel, she tends to get up earlier....unless we're staying at someone's house. This past week we were camping and then staying at a yoga center. She woke up btwn 7-7:30 every morning! That's about 3-5 hours early for her!
seriously, this is EXACTLY my dd! stays up till around midnight, or sometimes later, sleeps till around 10. EXCEPT when we were away, especially when we were camping. then, she'd conk out at the minute of sunset (or within half an hour at the latest) and wake up not long after sunrise. We figured she was somehow wired into the energy of the city, and whenever we went out of town, and got back to nature, she's pick up a "nature" rhythm. (though after being in the woods for a few weeks, she also slowly got used to it and stayed up later and later until...

anyway, a month ago we moved to a new house in a new country (nothing special, we've lived in more than 20 different countries since she was born), and since the day we moved in, she falls asleep around 9 and gets up at 7:30. The mornings are a bit early for my liking (just 10 more minutes!) but its nice to have the evenings back

I think the moral to all this is; everything is just a phase! bend with the wind and go with the flow!

today we took DH to the airport and saw him off on a 3 week work trip. Its a tiny local airport that handles just 4 flights/ day, so we could watch DH walking out onto the tarmac and climbing onto the plane, and see it take off. DD was very interested in how it all works, and I did my best explaining stuff about aerodynamics and such. but mostly she just wanted to know about the windows; why the plane has so many, which one is Aba's, why cant they open...
post #67 of 136
My oldest son has been a sleep during the day and an up all night guy for quite awhile now. He's 15 as of july 22nd. If there is something that he has to do during the day I just tell him a couple of days before so he can adjust his schedule. He is happy and well-adjusted. I know he'll at some point change to regular hours.
OTOH,my 9 and 8 year olds have to go to their room when we go to bed but can stay up in their room for however long they want unless we have an appt. the next day or something like that. Then I encourage them to go to sleep.

The kids have been painting with tempra paints,playing dolls,football,making a fort,swimming,reading,making cakes in the easy bake oven,making caterpillars and butterflies out of assorted craft materials,etc.
Right now they are eating breakfast and talking up a storm about something
post #68 of 136
I just skimmed, everyone is so busy!
We just got back from a family trip to N Idaho with the 4 of us, my parents and my brother and his family. Ds1 had been at my parents for 2 weeks soaking up lots and lots of grandparent attention.
He went fishing, spent 2 days at the birds of prey center in Boise, learned all about baseball from my dad, looked at all the rocks that were "interesting", read maps in the car while driving all over the place, quizzed my dad about all things Native American, toured Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and a part of Montana, drove a boat, and lots of other things I forgot or he hasn't told me about yet.
Ds2 is ever so thankful to have his brother back though! I'm glad he has his playmate back too so I can get some housework done. We are going to learn about Craiglist and sorting out unnecessary possesions this week and next.
post #69 of 136
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judejude- I suggest getting the kids involved in meal planning and grocery list making. Even the little kids can say what foods sound good when a recipe is read to them or they see a picture of it, and in general kids are more likely to eat foods they've helped to prepare.
Terrific idea! I'll add that my mom had an old Betty Crocker for kids cook book and I learned to make a few things from that. I also made some mean grilled cheese and tomato soup lunches from about the time I was 9 years old. My mom used to have a list of what foods each person liked, and we liked knowing that she was interested in our food likes. I think my list at one time was strawberries and cheese and a few other things. My brothers were really picky. I had one brother who only ate mayo on white bread sandwiches! We now know he deals with some kind of texture-aversion,and he has opened up his menu to include more foods (he's 16). Good luck!
post #70 of 136
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I mean, do you think I should try to, kind of, compromise--like, just do our unschooley thing, but keep a journal of what we do as "proof" to their dad that they're learning? i could buy more curriculum, and i know the kids would use it and even enjoy it, but grr that's money i really can't afford to spend right now
I kept a notebook for our kids for their first year of home learning (they are young, just 2 and 4) and it was chock full by the end of the year!!! I had a page where each month I wrote down as many book titles that we read as I could remember, places we went (museums, ext. family visits, pools, friends' houses, interesting places), and what the kids were interested in. I included some samples of artwork (crayon and paints) they did and some pics here and there. I was amazed at all the things they were getting from just us being together, without structured curriculum. Maybe something like that would be fun for you and maybe their dad would appreciate seeing what they are up to/interested in? I guess it just depends on how he "measures" learning.
post #71 of 136
I guess I'll figure out the multi-quote thing one of these days.

I might as well wave "hi" myself, since I already posted in response to PP.

I am "newer" to this forum, so hello, all. We are mostly preparing for a new baby brother, due any second at our home. We've been swimming today at grandma's house and enjoyed having dad around, while he is working at home waiting for baby's arrival. My littlest is obsessed with Star Wars and Darth Vader and oldest likes swimming, playing with the hose out back, making loud and fast music on drums, and dancing to music. He is also a great computer game player.

I am...waiting for baby, doing some yoga and meditation (oops, almost wrote "medication", LOL), eating and yearning for a good buffet and shopping for food at Trader Joe's and fabric for making just *one* more ring sling.
post #72 of 136
Good morning! Thanks for the insights about sleeping late. I'm working hard on disengaging about the whole thing... I'm in the process of hiring a mother's helper (dh is out of town 4 days a week) and I've decided to ask her to come earlier in the day than I originally thought. This way, one of us can take dd2 outside if dd1 is still sleeping, etc.

Dd1 is driving me crazy with her ipod... Dh gave it to her because she doesn't get read to at night much. I'm overwhelmed being by myself and have been really sick. So, I'm grateful that she's getting at least the audial part of that need met. We try to get our cuddling in earlier in the day.

I've been putting some limits on what I consider to be just rude behavior. She can listen as much as she wants in her room or on long car drives (longer than 30 minutes). It has to stay in the car when she takes it. She can also wear it around the house if she's helping out with chores/yard work, but has to take the buds out of her ears and look at me if she hears my voice.

Yesterday, I was so glad that she "broke" the car rule and brought the ipod without me noticing. I had to take care of some business at the town hall of a community I'd never been to before. It was supposed to take 20 min, but I got completely lost and it took us 2 hours to get there! Ugh. Dd1 didn't make a peep though... She enjoyed herself. So, I'm going to have to rethink the car thing. Maybe it doesn't matter how long the car ride is as long as she leaves the darn thing in the car when we get out.

What is she listening to, you ask? Well, first it was the first 2 books of Eragon...then, the HP series and now she is listening to HP & the Half Blood Prince over and over and over again (her words!) until we get to Mugglefest on July 20!

Oh, I'm getting long-winded again...

Just wanted to say that we made an awesome discovery yesterday. I felt bad about the kids being in the car for so long...so we decided to check out a state forest we passed. We drove down this really long dirt road and found a beautiful lake with a picnic area and beach! We didn't have any gear or drinking water, so we couldn't stay, BUT we're going back today and bringing one of dd1's friends.

I need to go pack the swimsuits (we're going to a summer kids movie first) and water, etc.

Hope everyone has a great day! Stay cool!
post #73 of 136
wwisdomskr, Obviously you need to do what works for you and your family, but for me, I'd let the Ipod thing slide a lot more.
For several reasons; first up, I'm really into giving kids autonomy as much as possible, coz heck, its frustrating enough being a kid without adding to it unnecesarily.
Also I believe that the only way to really learn to self-regulate and self-determine is to do just that. and having external pressure to do something (like mum hassling you to turn the Ipod off) isnt SELF-regulation.

and sounds like she's using it to listen to valuable stuff. she must be getting something out of it. you never know when having the full set of HP memorised could come in handy and I'm sure if we brainstorm for a minute we can come up with a dozen great skills to be gotten from listening to books on tape.
ummm... familiarity with literature, grammar and sentence structure, creative writing (you know one of the best ways to learn how to write is to read read read), listening comprehension... and lets not forget devotion to repetition (isn't that one of the most important skills our kids are missing out on by not going to school

And I think its really important to give people space to explore their passions. usually they pass, and IME, they pass quicker if one is free to really delve into them. Sometimes I go through a week or 3 of just playing solitare, or just reading trashy mystery novels, or writing letters, or being fascinated with any one of a million random things. For me, that's the beauty of unschooling; giving our kids the freedom to follow their passions, coz that's where REAL learning begins.

that said, I DO think you're well within your rights to feel annoyed by it, on a personal level. hey, I find people with those little bulbs permanently implanted into their ears to be annoying
Perhaps, it would be good to just talk to her about how you FEEL about it. really look at it objectively, and ask yourself what is it about the Ipod that gets to you. Maybe if you really look at the true source of the annoyance, it will melt in the sunlight. Maybe your DD will hear how you feel and come up with some solution where you can all be happy.

Is there some way you can get her attention when you need to talk to her? what if she got little speakers instead of earphones? (obviously not gonna work in EVERY situation, but maybe if you were all listening together, and she was able to hear you...)
Stuff like that.

Just my random late-night musings...
post #74 of 136
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wwisdomskr, Obviously you need to do what works for you and your family, but for me, I'd let the Ipod thing slide a lot more.
For several reasons; first up, I'm really into giving kids autonomy as much as possible, coz heck, its frustrating enough being a kid without adding to it unnecesarily.
Also I believe that the only way to really learn to self-regulate and self-determine is to do just that. and having external pressure to do something (like mum hassling you to turn the Ipod off) isnt SELF-regulation.
I can appreciate this. Really. We're big believers in self-regulation and just hanging on for the ride while the process unfolds. I am, however, a big stickler (or is it "stick in the mud" ) about rudeness. So, I've decided that if I want to hold that line, I need to relax on the others.

I'm telling dd1 that I've changed my mind. She can listen to the ipod anytime that she wants in the house (anywhere in the house) and in the car...as long as she leaves it in the car when we're going to be interacting with other human beings...AND...as long as she takes the headphones out of her ears when she speaks to me and when she hears me speaking to her.

I think that's completely reasonable. I'm glad that she's enjoying it so much and I know what it's like to be so excited about something!

We had a delicious summer day... Caught a mid-morning flick (free kids movie), grabbed an italian lunch, picked a couple pints of raspberries and then spent a few hours swimming in a lovely, lovely lake!
post #75 of 136
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I am, however, a big stickler (or is it "stick in the mud" ) about rudeness.
well, at least you admit it!
seriously, sounds like you've found a workable compromise
that lake sounds AWESOME!!!

DD discovered seeds, and started collecting all sorts of things to plant and see what happens. so we're planing olive pits, apple seeds, strawberry seeds, pebbles...
and even if nothing grows, at least she's eating some fruits and veggies for a change!
post #76 of 136
Ya, so the kid who's been deschooling and cannot stand to look at anything that resembles "school" and this includes books..........
Her cousins are living with us now and tonight she finds this big notebook of picture math and decides she's going to teach the 5 yr old "math". This is quite interesting since dd is quite delayed in math and barely gets the concept at all. That has always made her hate "math" (of the school variety) and suddenly now she's doing work sheets with her cousin - go figure

I bought the picture math when we first started HS and I had some idea that I was going to be doing all this "school work" with her
post #77 of 136
Hi All! The boxes are slowly making their way to the reccling center, and the dust has settled for the renovations. Finally things are sloooowing down a bit!!

I wanted to thank everone who shared advice on my oldest and his way of spelling. It is always reassuring to hear stories and advice from those that have BTDT.

It sounds like everyone is having a fun summer! Yay!!

Now that we are a bit more settled, we've been getting back in to some routines, like going to homeschool group again, and the library regularly. We've also been exploring our new backyard, and have found blueberry bushes, rasberry bushes, and have been watching our apples get bigger and bigger! The boys have also discovered Scooby Doo!! They love him!! And though I could never have imagined this....a Scooby Doo movie about Cleopatra and the Sphinx prompted an interest in mummies and Ancient Egypt for oldest Ds. We just got finished reading a very interesting book about how mummies are made before he went off to bed for the night! I love it when it all flows like that
post #78 of 136
I thought I was going to be able to keep up with this thread this month!

My 16 yr old is helping a friend out with a building project this summer. Ds is getting some good experience and learning about the whole process and the friend is getting the help he needs. As with everything we do, however, it's a bit of a drive away, which is a drag so we can't do it every day, but still, it's good.

Funny things though--he was one of those kids who used to sleep all day, and, while I think I mentioned he's been getting up earlier (10ish) he's had no trouble getting up at 8:00 for this project. Go figure. Other funny thing--one of his favorite activities is to climb. He climbs trees, buildings, anything he can get a hold of. (A fun, but useless skill, right? Nope.) In telling me about this project, he points out that there will be a second story and he'll have to climb and balance on the planks as they lay the under flooring. He's totally confident that this will be no problem for him. I'm sure he's right.

Every time I've thought to myself, sarcastically, "Well, now THERE's an important life skill." It turns out to actually BE an important skill. These kids are so darn smart.

Dd has begun a campaign to adopt a dog from the shelter where we volunteer. I fell in love with this dog when I first met him. He's totally goofy, has no training at all, but is soooooo affectionate and lovable. I can not even bring myself to enter into the family discussion because I wanted to bring him home that first day. Dh is the one needing convincing, we'll see how it plays out.

Ds2 has discovered Webkins which has replaced his Club Penguin hobby.

We've got a busy few days coming up--volunteer stuff, a birthday party, a sleepover, the Harry Potter movie, a beach day and a trip to the nature center. I've been reading some traditional fairy tales to ds2. Ds1 is reading Hood and dd goes throught books too fast for me to keep up with--she's counting the hours until the final HP book comes out though. Oh! And she's been doing a lot of research about religion. She'd been studying Islamic faith, and has now focused on Paganism. Lots of interesting discussions there.
post #79 of 136
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Every time I've thought to myself, sarcastically, "Well, now THERE's an important life skill." It turns out to actually BE an important skill. These kids are so darn smart.
Joan, this is so true! I've been finding that my kids are much smarter than me when it comes to what they need to do. So humbling..... After having six of these things, I'm just loving all that they're teaching me. I'm starting to really enjoy being the student in this unschooling process.
post #80 of 136
Just dropping in to say hi mama's

Tomorrow we take our sweet 10 yr. old (used to be) foster daughter back home. We are so going to miss her. You'd think we'd be used to it by now but it's hard every time. I guess you *would* love a child after mothering them for almost 3 years. She was 6 months when we got her and almost 3 when she went home.

Anyway~I wish you could see my house: These kids have created a play area,lego area,playmobil area,game area,art area out of the entire house!

Have a wonderful day mama's!
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