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post #21 of 54
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Originally Posted by Momtwice View Post
AND if your lower back hurts, seek medical attention immediately, because that can mean it has spread to the kidneys which is more dangerous. (I am not a med. professional. This is what I have been told.)
Yes, but in pregnancy, a back ache can be totally normal....

I would get the tests before you do anything....

But that is just my opinion
post #22 of 54
I know of three mothers in our AP group who had antibiotics during pregnancy and all of the kids ( ages 2 and under) have weak enamel and severe cavities.
post #23 of 54
DON'T TAKE ANTIBIOTICS WITH CRANBERRY JUICE!!!!!!!

sorry for the caps, wanted to make sure you saw it

i haven't researched this myself, so you may want to do that, but i recall being told by and RN friend of mine (i'm a PT), that the cranberry juice can cause some of the solutes in the antibiotics to precipitate out and put you at risk of kidney stones.

i can second the herbal recommendations. i used to get frequent UTI's when i was younger, and the uva ursi/echinacea combo often did the trick, as did remembering to drink and pee frequently all. the. time.

?but i may have heard echinacea is contraindicated in pregnancy?
post #24 of 54
Generally there are only 2 medications considered safe for pregnancy that work on UTIs. One is Macrobid and the other is cephalexin (i think). Amox is generally used for other infections (like strep or pnumonia) and is not generally useful except to give you a yeast infection when you're done taking it LOL! As someone who is on antibiotics now (amox for strep) I would definately just do the cranberry thing for now. To sooth the burning feeling you might be getting (although it's not as common with pregnancy since stuff kinda goes numb down there) try baking soda baths.

So yeah, that nurse is a real piece of work. I hate the blame game drs play. If it's not ob related they won't treat you at the ob but if you're pregnant they won't treat you at the regular dr. This became VERY obvious this pregnancy for me, and thus another reason i'm ucing. Ultimately, the only one who takes responsability is you in the end.
post #25 of 54
If you're not already, I'd rec taking probiotics from here on out as well.

I like taking GSE whenever I feel a twinge down south. I took it almost daily during the last couple months of pg and still do occassionally, as well as probis.

Hope you feel better soon. UTIs blow.
post #26 of 54
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Originally Posted by tribalmax View Post
Yes, but in pregnancy, a back ache can be totally normal....
For sure! This is how it went down for me last pregnancy (so problems so far - knock on wood). Out of the blue started getting contractions and backache and thought I was going into premterm labor. Went home and got in bed to see if it would stop. As I was laying there, I remembered my prenatal test strips. Got up and tested - leukocytes and nitrates - UTI. Drank cranberry and went to bed. Got up in the morning and dh drug me to the local clinic. Could barely stand sitting in the chair the backache was so bad and the wait long. Dr. said for the stage of pregnancy I was in Amox. would be safer than Macrobid. I don't think she gave me 7 days - maybe 5? Felt much MUCH better. Still had a little backache. Went back for another culture to make sure it was gone - diagnosis: backache caused by pregnancy.

I don't know about ds's teeth - so far he only has 2. He also got antibiotics at birth :
post #27 of 54
DONT DO THE ANTIBIOTICS!!
the dosage prescribed for your son is going to be waaay less than you, an adult, would need to completely get rid of your infection. it will just kill off the weak buggies, allowing the stronger, more resistant bugs to take hold. not good!!! if you are going to take antibiotics you need to take the proper dosage for your infection.

uva ursi infusion is very specific to UTI's, and is safe for pg. i cant remember the dosage, but it is in the susan weed book.
post #28 of 54
I suffered from a lot of bladder and kidney infections as a child. Now I take care of them at the first sign of trouble. I haven't had antibiotics since I was 16 which wad the last time my mother had a say in my health care.

Cranberry juice is fantastic. You'd be surprised how well it works. You don't have to drink it unsweetened but it's good to avoid corn syrup or artificial sweeteners and the most important thing is that it's real 100% cranberry juice. You should be able to go to vitamin cottage down there or wild oats or whole foods (although they are more expensive) if they are closer. You can get pure cranberry juice or cranberry concentrate which you can add water to and then add honey or agave to it to make it more palatable. I also highly recommend getting cranberry capsules to take in addition to the juice (you can get more that way, it's hard to drink so much cranberry). It's also important to drink lots and lots of water and pee often. I also highly recommend Uva Ursi. It's great on the urinary tract and grows locally all over our mountains so it has a special place in my heart. You should start doing these things at the first sign of irritation but they work at any point.

I've always taken echinacea during pregnancy and any time I need help with my immune system. A lot of tinctures come as a combo with goldenseal - just avoid those and get straight echinacea if you are going to.

As a preventive, you may not have heard that you should always pee right after having sex to avoid UTI's (it makes a big difference to us that are prone to them).

Also as an FYI, CNM's are not legally allowed to do home-births in Colorado so anyone using a hombirth midwife here is using a DEM (direct entry midwife) and there are a lot of them.

Also, if you are interested in talking off-forum I'd be happy to. I've lived in Colorado all my life and have had two DEM attanded homebirths and one UP/UC here so i'm familiar with the ropes so to speak

Good luck,
Laura
post #29 of 54
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Originally Posted by XmasEve View Post
Even if you do choose antibiotics, I also would start consuming a glass of real cranberry juice every day for the rest of your pregnancy and postpartum period. Here's my personal background, to explain why:

Pregnant w/#1, saw a Dr. though I knew better, but there were no mws on island and my dh was afraid of UC so I humored him. I had vague UTIs. I want to stress that they weren't "full blown" as the other poster described. I kept asking about what diet changes, etc. I could make to cure/prevent the UTIs and he blew me off and put me on antibios. I said, "Will these effect my baby's developing tooth enamal?" He said no. I took the initial course (7 days) of antibios (can't remember which kind). Then I started drinking at least a glass of cranberry juice a day for the remainder of the pregnancy. When I would feel a UTI coming on, I'd down more juice and it would go away.

Fast forward to baby's 1st birthday. Obviously the Dr. lied to me. Her enamal has been effected. I thought at first I wasn't brushing enough, took her to a wonderful holistic dentist who said it was the antibios I took. Her teeth aren't hurting, her adult teeth will be fine, as long as I stay on top of good oral hygiene we'll sail right through this. I asked the dentist, "do you think the Dr. outright lied to me, or didn't know about this specific antibio?" He shrugged and said probably both. Most obs don't really care about developing teeth enamal, as it's mostly cosmetic and outgrown and they figure the benefits outweigh the risks. He said some antibios are proven to be very bad for teeth enamal, some aren't really proven either way, and there's no way to tell how an individual fetus will react to any given dose. Remember, I only took them for 1 week! I have to warn my dd and her teachers to "take it easy" on the playground because her front teeth chip so easily. The dentist, also a homeopath, said cranberry juice is good, and so are homeopathics, of course, though I don't remember exactly what he said his wife took for UTIs during pregnancy...

My next pregnancy, a UC, I drank fresh cranberry juice every day and never had a UTI. It makes me so sad and proud how different dd2's teeth are from her big sister's...

Since it was so hard for me to find "real" cranberry juice during my pregnancy with dd1, I stocked up on frozen cranberries before even becoming pregnant with dd2. Then every few days I'd dump a bag of frozen cranberries in the blender, strain the juice out with cheesecloth, and drink that. Not "delicious," but definitely beneficial.

You have to do what is best for you, and I wish you ease in finding antibios if that is your choice, but you should know all of your options. I also want to warn you that since going ahead with UC, Drs. in my life have gotten even more hostile towards me, to the point where I'm not comfortable with any "stunts" they might pull to "teach me a lesson." And maybe that snarky woman at the clinic is trying to steer you onto another path.

Given what other posters have suggested, if I were in your shoes I would do cranberry juice and if that didn't work I'd share yr ds's amox, fwiw.









Wow.
You know, I never ever have heard of this - even though I've thoroughly researched my DS's complete lack of tooth enamel (two broken teeth, one chipped tooth, chipped tooth is rotten.)

THANK YOU, So much for this.
I had a UTI with my first, and pregnant now with my second, I went in for my first apt completely dehydrated (we'd spent the entire day out, it was my fault, and it was a one time thing, but my urine was bright yellow when testing. Something usual for me.)
I was called a few days later by the nurse, to say I had a UTI and needed antibios. I told her I had no symptoms, wanted to treat it naturally, she said it would Not go away, etc.
I didnt have internet access that week due to changing providers.

I succumbed, thinking, though I know what I know about the OB industry, it couldn't hurt That much to just do this - as she seemed fairly certain it was a ranging infection.

I had awful reactions to the antibs.

Day 5 of 7, I developed symptoms of a UTI.
I continued antibs. Treated symptoms naturally, they're entirely gone.
(Lots of cranberry juice, water, garlic.)

And then... it hit.
The yeast. Started in my mouth, my lip became swollen, and I noticed a tiny tiny blob of white in my cheek.
Started the treatment with acidophilus, yogurt, cranberry, garlic, water, lots less sugar.

DS got it from me somehow, and I cleared his up immediately.

And I'm still fighting it.
I'm on probiotics, as well as the above. But wow, this is absolutely bloody resistant.

I can't believe all of the trouble I went through for a no-symptoms possible UTI.

I will not, ever, take a doctors word for something again, blindly.
post #30 of 54
I would do the uva ursi (and maybe some yarrow too) and REAL cranberry juice (aka Just Cranberry by Knudsen or Santa Cruz)--that stuff that truly puckers everything. It always works for me for UTI.

Just be sure to drink LOTS when taking Uva Ursi, it is diuretic as well as treating UTI and you can get dehydrated fast when PG if you aren't careful to drink plenty.
post #31 of 54
BTW Ocean Spray just came out with a just cranberry - I haven't seen it everywhere, but there is one Wal-mart locally I found it. It's alot cheaper than the pricey brands. I'm addicted to cranberry. I've got to the place where I like it totally unsweetened 1/2 cranberry 1/2 water over ice. No UTIs this time
post #32 of 54
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Originally Posted by Shonahsmom View Post
ETA: Cranberry juice usually does the trick for me.
Maybe someone has already pointed this out already, but the capsules are great to get a lot of cranberry without having to drink a bunch of juice! (I don't like cranberry juice...)
post #33 of 54
I have chronic kidney and UT infections and they were worse in pregnancy.

I managed to only take antibiotics once, and even now that I look back on it, I think if I could do it over I wouldn't have taken them.

My daughter had gut issues when she was born, and I'm sure it was due to the antibiotics. They aren't good for babies in utero. If you have to take them though, I would be much more inclined to take the 3 day dose of the stronger one (I forget the name) than take amoxicillian for the long time that you have to take it for something like that.

My first choice would be Dandelion root tea mixed with nettle leaves and steeped - does wonders for the kidneys and bladder. That combined with lots of cranberry juice and APPLE CIDER VINEGAR!! That stuff is awesome.
post #34 of 54
Thread Starter 
I haven't done the antibiotics. I found some organic cranberry juice with some regular sugar in it, and I've drank nothing but that. I am feeling better already!!

I didn't know CNMs absolutely couldn't do homebirth here! That'll help me next time I'm being harrassed. I can just say "Uh, CNMs can't DO homebirths..."

Some captain from the clinic called my husband and asked me to call back. I didn't..not sure if I will. I don't want to be hasselled anymore, especially if the truth is revealed that I'm planning a UC.
post #35 of 54
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Originally Posted by moonfirefaery View Post
I haven't done the antibiotics. I found some organic cranberry juice with some regular sugar in it, and I've drank nothing but that.


heather, STOP!
you absolutely have to drink cranberry juice with NO added sugar. EEK! don't drink another drop!

(envision me running across the country in no clothes at 11 PM shouting
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
to swipe the glass out of your hand JUST in the nick of time......)
post #36 of 54
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Originally Posted by Unoppressed MAMA Q View Post
heather, STOP!
you absolutely have to drink cranberry juice with NO added sugar. EEK! don't drink another drop!

(envision me running across the country in no clothes at 11 PM shouting
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
to swipe the glass out of your hand JUST in the nick of time......)
I'm not sure why you are so concerned. : I have used cranberry juice many a time for UTI issues and it is ok to drink it sweetened. Unsweetened cranberry juice is difficult to drink for most people. In my opinion it's better to drink sweetened cranberry juice than not drink any at all or to take antibiotics.

Laura
post #37 of 54
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Originally Posted by feebeeglee View Post
(This was after the nurse condescendingly asked me 'are you sure you're wiping front to back and not getting any poopies up there?' because, you know, I'm 5 years old. Maybe she went to school with the nurse you talked to, huh?)
Are you serious?! Did you at least get a lolipop at the end of your appointment.

I have no suggestion~never had a UTI (knocking on wood!) I hope you get it cleared up soon. And remember~your DH is in the military, not you! His chain of command can't "make" you do anything! I see too often where they think they can control the spouses like they do their soldiers. (I'm AD Army)
post #38 of 54
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Originally Posted by Unoppressed MAMA Q View Post
heather, STOP!
you absolutely have to drink cranberry juice with NO added sugar. EEK! don't drink another drop!

(envision me running across the country in no clothes at 11 PM shouting
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
to swipe the glass out of your hand JUST in the nick of time......)

I too am curious as to why. I used cranberry juice to clear up a suspected UTI last week and it was sweetened. Is there some adverse effects that I missed out on? It worked great for me.
post #39 of 54
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Originally Posted by Sijae View Post
I'm not sure why you are so concerned. : I have used cranberry juice many a time for UTI issues and it is ok to drink it sweetened. Unsweetened cranberry juice is difficult to drink for most people. In my opinion it's better to drink sweetened cranberry juice than not drink any at all or to take antibiotics.

Laura
why the : icon? snark, anyone?

i am not so much 'concerned' as trying to be helpful. avoiding sugar is something of a 'first rule' in regards to dealing with bacterial imbalance.

far be it from me to sit here and be determinist about what will and won't work, and i certainly wasn't encouraging antibiotics, which aren't even an option in my own personal schema. you seem to be leaping to a lot of conclusions about a simple statement i made, which was 'drink unsweetened, not sweetened, cranberry juice'.

sheesh.
post #40 of 54
OP, Please try to go unsweetened. I know it's awful. My 1st pregnancy, when I "discovered" what REAL cranberry juice tasted like, I was in shock. I made myself drink 4 oz every night. I would literally sit in the kitchen for an hour beforehand just working up the courage to gulp it down. By my 2nd pregnancy I still didn't like it, but I could chug a full glass with relative ease-- and I found that my 2yo dd, generally a discriminative taster, really liked straight cranberry pulp, she ate it like applesauce. By now, I actually enjoy the tast. So does said 2yo, now a 4yo. But current 2yo, well, she hates it. So I'm not saying cranberry will ever be a big part of your palate

Our tastebuds are assaulted by sugars from the get-go (meaning even in utero), and it takes dedication and patience to learn healthy tastes, but it is worth it. To get you through this really unpleasant time just remember that you are doing this for your baby.

The little buggers in your bladder causing the UTI lovelovelove sugar. Don't send them mixed messages by drinking sweetened cranberry juice. As a pp mentioned, pills are another way to go. And if you HAVE to go unsweetened, make sure it's sweetened with other REAL fruit juices, like apple juice. Another pp suggested mixing it with pineapple juice, I've never tried that but it's worth a shot.

Maybe try buying straight cranberry juice, and buy other straight juices as well. Then each night mix a little of cranberry with something else, heavier on the cranberry, until you can wean yourself to just cranberry. I'm just trying to brainstorm here, to try to help.
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