Hell's Kitchen - Page 2

[apmommy76]

Julia

I'd LOVE to see her win!

[madmacksmommy]

Originally Posted by apmommy76

I'd LOVE to see her win!

We would love to see her win too! I love her!!

BTW- Hi Jan! Nice to see you on MDC! Madison is still talking about your mice! LOL

[ktbug]

I think it's going to come down to Jen and Rock. Though I, too, would LOVE to see Julia win. She won't, though. Bah, at least whasserface is gone. Her accent was really starting to bug me.

[Suzannah]

Originally Posted by zoebird

also, i don't see certain things as demeaning--eg, calling someone a fat, stupid cow--but that's a cultural thing mostly. it mostly means slow within it's cultural context, it might also mean useless--but it's specific to the activity in question. in the american brain, it comes off as far more demeaning.

I find this ridiculous. Calling people names and insulting them isn't demeaning, especially in the manner in which he does it? Although I do at times have serious issues with American culture, I am deeply grateful that I am not a part of a culture which finds this acceptable. I am a teacher, and, referencing your previous post, and citing pretty much every single piece of research done on best teaching practices in the the last CENTURY, there is ZERO evidence that screaming at someone is a great way to teach them anything.

[accountclosed3]

suzannah:

it is me, or is your post a little demeaning and self important? i mean, technically, you're 'yelling' at me when using CAPS.

but, you're 'yelling' not out of anger (i would hope) but rather to bring attention to your point since you seem to think/feel that my perspective of the usefulness of yelling as a teaching tool--in the right contexts--is dangerous or harmful.

so in this way, yelling needn't be about anger or trying to demean anyone, but instead be a method of drawing stark and quick attention to something that is potentially harmful, to demonstrate how potentially harmful it is, and the level of care necessary to prevent harm.

granted, speaking low, cold, and quietly is equally effective--and the same basic underlying technique (using volume and tonal quality to bring attention to something dangerous).

so, apparently it is useful tool for trying to gain someone's attention when you disagree with them and find their behavior or opinion DANGEROUS!

there's a big difference between yelling at someone for missing a math problem and yelling at someone who could have harmed, maimed, or killed someone due to their inattention (negligence).

it might also be noted that educational study and theory is narrow in it's study. most educational theory is centered around teaching subjects that are not life/death situations and/or teaching subjects in the classroom setting where there are not life/death situations present. There is very little study about the 'practicum' process--in which there is real-life, on the job training and what that training entails and which tools are most effective in preventing harm to another.

it is common, in these fields where life/harm/death situations are prevalent, for students to be starkly and quickly admonished for doing something that would harm another, for the purpose of increasing their awareness--and taking that theory from the classroom and using it in a practical way.

and it should also be noted that teachers who teach in a life/harm/death practicum situation know that yelling is only one of many techniques, that different students need to be treated differently, and that yelling should only be used as a means of drawing attention--not demeaning or acting in anger--toward the student.

it is true that demeaning a person is problematic. it is not true that yelling is per se demeaning.

[Suzannah]

Originally Posted by zoebird

it is true that demeaning a person is problematic. it is not true that yelling is per se demeaning.

My all caps were meant for emphasis, not as yelling. And I agree with your quote above; I am not saying that raising a voice is demeaning. I thought I pointed out that what he was saying was the issue, not how he was saying it.

Your points on educational theory are correct, well-stated and relevant, but no where in your post does it say that when immediately correcting a student in a life and death situation you should call them names and insult them as a person. And mostly, for the purposes of discussing Hell's Kitchen, I don't think that getting food out to customers could be correctly termed "life and death."

[devster4fun]

Controversy in a HK thread? Who'da thunk it.

-I think the thing on Melissa's chin might have been where she removed a piercing??

-Yes, GR is tough on the folks in HK. Yep, he's certainly demeaning too. I don't think, "dumb blond" is getting lost in translation....

The key is, HK contestants asked for this. They've seen the previous seasons, they knew what they were getting into and they can quit at anytime. So, what's the big deal? It gets ratings.

-I find GR h-o-t, hot! I had a dream where I had made a bad mistake in the kitchen...it was...um....demeaning for sure.

[My_Three_Sons]

Julia is looking better and better!

Did any of the guys actually hit Ramsay during their paintball session? My dh thinks they have a couple of rewards in waiting, depending who wins. He said tonight before the winner was announced that the girls would get to go to a spa or shopping or something with Ramsay, and the guys would play paintball. Lol, smart guy eh?

[famousmockngbrd]

How is mushy risotto a life or death situation?

And, on a side note, I will never be able to hear/see/speak the word "risotto" ever again without hearing Chef Ramsey's voice.

I loved how everyone kept ordering Julia's strip steak tonight!

[devster4fun]

Originally Posted by My_Three_Sons

Julia is looking better and better!

Did any of the guys actually hit Ramsay during their paintball session? My dh thinks they have a couple of rewards in waiting, depending who wins. He said tonight before the winner was announced that the girls would get to go to a spa or shopping or something with Ramsay, and the guys would play paintball. Lol, smart guy eh?

We said the same thing last night!!

Like, Ramsay doesn't want to be seen with 3 guys on a yacht, eating caviar!

And, I just can't see Bonnie shooting paintballs....

[ktbug]

It makes total sense that there are different rewards based on who wins. Dunno if the punishments are that way, too, though that whole thing seemed kind of off in the last episode.

Julia's looking good, it's true. Jen should have taken charge of that menu, shown if she had any leadership at all, but it doesn't seem like she does. Julia, however, not only offers "appealing" food, but can crank out line cookery like no one's business. Is anyone surprised that the public was more interested in food they could understand, like strip steak with shrimp, than a menu item like "oil-poached sea bass with daikon-pea shoot salad and a sorrel sauce verte"? People like food better when they know what it is.

I'm upset that Josh didn't go home. I'm tired of him, and of Bonnie.

The show also seems increasingly misogynist as this season goes along, but maybe I'm just sensitive to it.

[Suzannah]

Can someone tell me who went home? We have instituted a no Tv after 9 pm policy, and I will miss the re-cap next week also.

[TurboClaudia]

select the blackened part below to read who went home this week. words will magically appear.

Warning :: Spoiler Ahead! Highlight to read message!

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brad went home this week.

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[madmacksmommy]

I just wanted to bump this thread! Anybody watch last night???!!!

I did! I was rather impressed with Chef Ramsey last night!

[apmommy76]

Julia

I already am in love with the man..LOL

And then he had to go and do something like he did last night for Julia. WOW. I think he made the right decision.

Madmacksmommy, what's your name again?? Are you on OPP??

[madmacksmommy]

Originally Posted by apmommy76

I already am in love with the man..LOL

And then he had to go and do something like he did last night for Julia. WOW. I think he made the right decision.

Madmacksmommy, what's your name again?? Are you on OPP??

My name is Brooke. I am in SLC. I met you at OSC and we were at your mouse co-op a few weeks ago!

[apmommy76]

OH YEAH!!! I didn't remember your MDC username. Cool. Another Hell's Kitchen fan!!!

[apmommy76]

duh

hey, I'm a dork..Your name is at the bottom of your message..LOL

[Suzannah]

If Rock wins I am going to throw up. He is an immature kid with an uncontrollable temper and an obvious wide streak of misogeny (sp?). And I don't think he is all that creative or exceptional in the kitchen.

[apmommy76]

Bonnie

I've never been a big fan, but I don't think Rock is that wonderful and my favorite is now gone (Julia). Jen turned me off when she abandoned her team the other week..and then you've got the spaghetti incident.

So I guess I'm rooting for Bonnie but am not sure if she's ready for something like this.