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post #21 of 48
The bad soy news I've heard says it's bad for young girls to eat too much b/c of the estrogen content, and may be a reason why so many girls are entering physical maturity so much earlier than just 10-15 years ago, as soy is in so many products now. Also, that it is very hard to find soy now that hasn't, at some point, been cross-contaminated with gentically altered soy beans. So no more soy smoothies for dd.
post #22 of 48

Soy is my own demon

I'm allergic to soy in just about any form. If you think about it from a whole food point of view, it's extremely processed. I'm sure the beans are great, but all the "milk" and little pressed squares get to me as odd.

It's also one of the most allergic foods out there. I believe mik and wheat are the only ones ahead of it.
post #23 of 48
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p.s.--not sure about the comment about senile japanese old people...
I'm pretty sure Alexander was joking....senile and older asians doesn't really go hand in hand....so the idea that soy consumption is a main contributor to senility, is pretty absurd....
post #24 of 48
My ped diagnosed my dd with an allergy to milk protien about 5 mos ago. DD is bfed, so she recommended I go off all dairy and products containing whey and casien (forms of milk protein). I have been eating soy in one form or another (soymilk, soy yogurt, ice cream, whatever) since then every day. After reading this board I am worried I may be inadvertently doing harm to dd by eating so much soy? Also, dd just started on solids and she seems to like tofu very much. Is this a double whammy?!
post #25 of 48
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I'm pretty sure Alexander was joking....senile and older asians doesn't really go hand in hand....so the idea that soy consumption is a main contributor to senility, is pretty absurd....
Ick, really not funny and actually fairly racist.

Does anyone else have a hard time knowing what to believe? I tend to be very skeptical regarding all information that might in some way aid the GIANT meat and dairy industry. It seems like anti-soy propaganda would be a logical step for those industries.

Amy
post #26 of 48
i think the thing everyone needs to remember is that we all have to make our own educated decisions... there are two sides to EVERYTHING! just educated youself the best you can and well, wait and hope...
post #27 of 48

Lighten up

Excuse me?
How is it racist to say that it is uncommon to find senility among Asians who have had a pretty steady diet of soy all their lives??? This is a thread about the supposed dangers of eating too much soy. Therefore the observations of those that have eaten large quanties of soy all their lives would be relavant to the discussion. There is nothing racist about making dietary observations. Personally I would like to see some satistics on aging in people (of various ethnic backrounds) that have had a steady diet of soy throughout their lives. I would also like to see some sats. on those that have had meat and dairy products as a steady diet throughout their lives. I don't think the verdict is out yet on Soy!
post #28 of 48

in response to barbara

1st of all, sanna, sorry to derail this thread

1. alexander references a study that definitely links memory loss & soy, then makes a comment about senility in older japanese people--i didn't take that as alexander being sarcastic

2. "This is a thread about the supposed dangers of eating too much soy." so what place does a flippant comment about older japanese people have in this thread at all?

3."Therefore the observations of those that have eaten large quanties of soy all their lives would be relavant to the discussion. There is nothing racist about making dietary observations" is Alexander an older japanese person? if not, i'm not sure i understand your point here...also, it's not racist to make dietary observations but it is racist if you're making uninformed or derogatory comments about other people (and calling older japanese people senile is not a dietary observation)

4. are you asian? japanese? if so, we can have a discussion about whether this was an offensive comment or not

5. please don't tell anyone to lighten up--it's rude

yes, even i can see that i am probably being somewhat critical of alexander who probably deserves the benefit of the doubt...but, unless you're asian here, i don't think you know how it feels to be on the receiving end of a very short, flippant comment
post #29 of 48
Thank you robbiemama.

Back to soy... Now I find myself worrying about my ds's soy consumption. I know one person who does no soy all because of her "research" on the internet. My son is dairy free, could all this soymilk be too much estrogen?

Yikes.
post #30 of 48
So sorry robbiemama, I stand corrected

Back to soy.... I am interested to know if there are significant differences in fermented soy and non-fermented soy. Is soy cheese fermented?
For now we are cutting back on soy. Moderation is always good
We have found rice milk to be a good subsitute for use on cereal.
post #31 of 48
I found this website that has alot of info on soy: http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/
I have decided to cut back on my soy intake - switching to rice milk instead of soy milk. And I am cutting tofu out of dds diet, but I will probably continue to give her some soy yogurt. Because of dds dairy allergy, I don't see how we would be able to completly cut soy out of our diets. Does anyone have any tips for other dairy substitutes that are not soy based?
post #32 of 48

soy

I have read and heard many times that the whole soy being bad for you was started by the dairy industry. As far as girls going through puberty early, that is from cows milk consumption. The growth hormones in milk have sky rocketed and so has our dairy consumtion in America. THAT is why girls are going through puberty so early, NOT because of soy products.
post #33 of 48
Right Naturalmama, that's kind of what I meant when I wondered what is real and what is propaganda.

It really is hard to know what to believe. With the internet and so much knowledge close at hand it is very easy to mistake someone's personal site and opinions as scientific fact.
post #34 of 48
I'm not entirely convinced about it being dairy-industry propaganda (though that certainly wouldn't surprise me) b/c all the info I've gotten about it has been in really alternative, "green" literature.
post #35 of 48
I'm not convinced either. Experience (I'm TCM and holistic health practitioner)
has led me to believe otherwise. I've seen girls who have never eaten meat, or dairy (but lots of soy) enter puberty at VERY young ages. My own stepdaughter was one such girl who got her period at age 9.
Aniaml foods which are raised with growth hormones and all the other junk play a role too. Chicken was the number one food linked to early puberty -
remember too that most animal foods that are not pastured (even organic does not mean pasture fed) are consuming a diet based on soy.
I believe that in combination with all the other growth hormones plays a large role too.
If you eat any aniaml products including milk products, eggs, chicken beef, make sure the animals are eating what they're supposed to be eating instead of soyfeed.
Seek out local farmers who don't use soy. There is a growing movement
to get back to grass fed animals. Of course chickens should eat bugs, worms etc.. instead of soy.
If you do use soy eat it in moderation and eat fermented soy foods.
I still use soy in the form of miso, and shoyu. I don't feel well if I eat tofu or tempeh anymore. It bloats me and makes me feel tired.
post #36 of 48
So elanie, would you not give soymilk to your children? I hate thinking that something I have been giving my son for over a year might be bad for him
post #37 of 48
I've never given soymilk to my children even before I knew of soys estrogenic compounds. The reason being that in TCM soymilk is a very cold natured food, one that is difficult to digest and could lead to deep coldness and deficiency in the body. Most women I see that complain of vaginal itching are linked to drinking soymilk as well. When the soymilk stops, so does their itching.
In rural Japan some of my friends are from, I'm told tofu is not eaten more than once a week, because they say it leads to bad digestion.
Don't forget that tofu is the diet of Sumo wrestlers as well, it causes them to bloat. More evidence of the antithyroid connection.
As an alternative to soymilk or any boxed milk out there, fresh made almond milk is a delicious drink. I've made it for many years and never tire of it's wonderful freash taste that a boxed milk lacks. It's enzymatically active as well, since it's raw.
post #38 of 48
Thank you, I think we will switch over to almond milk. We tried it a while ago and he didn't care for it but I suppose he will get used to it.

Amy
post #39 of 48
I've made it for many years and never tire of it's wonderful freash taste that a boxed milk lacks.
elanie-- do you have a recipe to share?
post #40 of 48
sure,
soak 2 cups almonds in water to cover- use filtered water for 12-24 hours. I change the soaking water several times (at least once or twice depending on how long I soak them).
Place the almonds in a blender (use 1 cup of nuts at a time) along with 3 cups water and a couple of soft pitted dates if desired. If the dates are hard soak them as well.
Blend until real smooth. I use something called a nutmilk bag to extract the milk from the pulp . Repeat with the remaining 1 cup nuts and 3 cups water. Add a tiny pinch of sea salt and some vanilla extract or use a small piece of vanilla bean when pureeing the mixture.I store my milk in a big glass 1 gallon jar with a lid.You can make all different kinds of milk using cashews, sesame seeds etc..
Here's a link to purchase a nutmilk bag.
http://www.rawfoodchef.com/html/store.html
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