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post #1 of 10
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Perhaps I should have titled this "Not forcing a child to visit the NCP: What was potentially avoided"...

Disclaimer: I am in no way attempting to imply that my personal story is universal, or even common, but given some of the recent discussions in other threads about "forcing" children to spend overnights with the NCP, I decided it needed to be shared.

Warning: "Mild" sexual abuse is mentioned.


My parents divorced when I was about 7, maybe 8. For a few years, I spent the standard every other weekend and summers at my father's house.

I never really liked it (I felt, in my words at the time, "like a ping-pong ball"), but never really resisted. Until the day I refused to go again. I was incredibly lucky (as you'll see below) that even though my mother did not know or understand why I suddenly said "no more", she never forced me to go back. And, that my father never took the matter to court to force her to force me.

Why did I suddenly refuse? Because my father French kissed me.

I was prepubescent, just on the cusp of adolescence. On the Saturday of my last weekend visit, he came back from running an errand (I had been left home alone) and instead of the usual peck of a kiss hello, he grabbed me into a hug and shoved his tongue into my mouth.

I was thoroughly disgusted, pushed him away and said "gross! stop!". I crossed over to the corner of the living room where my bed was kept at the time and stayed there except for meals and did not say another word to him until 5pm Sunday (the earliest I though I "was allowed" to go home on weekend visits), when I said "I want to go home now." I said nothing else to him for months.

He took me home. Tried to talk to me in the car about random stuff. I went in and that was it. I can't remember if I told my mother I wasn't going back that night, or just before the next scheduled visit. At the time, I never told her what had happened, and only said "because I don't want to" and other vague reasons about missing friends and the like or "feeling like a ping-pong ball".

She listened to me and didn't make me go. And didn't pressure me for "valid reasons".

I did not spend overnights with him until I was 18 and had my own car and was able to drive myself there and leave whenever I wanted. (I did, however, talk to him on the phone eventually and began going to dinner or other non-overnight stuff with him and his wonderful wife...)

I did not tell anyone in my family until nearly 20 years later after my daughter was born. My mother and step-mother were both extremely surprised and shocked when I did tell them.

I truly believe that I dodged a major bullet that day. A happy combination of circumstances allowed me to do so:
  • I was not desperate for a father's attention or love
  • my father was not an active predator, but only just starting to feel some attraction to pedophilia at the time (i.e. impulsive on his part, not meditated or anything he had ever done before)
  • I was sufficiently shocked and grossed out to react with a strong "no" and generally self-confident enough to "punish" him by refusing to speak to him and refusing to go back
  • and, most importantly, my mother did not judge the validity of my "reasons" at the time, she just listened to them and acted on my refusal

I shudder to think how things might have evolved if I had not felt I had the right to refuse, and/or if my mother had felt a need to force me to continue seeing him "for my own good because daughters need relationships with their fathers". Because I could never, ever, ever have told her the real reason at the time--and was still scared 20 years later when I did finally tell her.

As it was, I came out of the whole thing feeling empowered (something bad happened and I made it stop all by myself) and trusted by my mother (she listened and acted without judging my reasons).

Needless to say, however, my own daughter will never be left alone with my father until she is an adult (or very nearly so, since the dangerous age is "pre-pubescence and early adolescence" for my father).

There, I've said it. For whatever it's worth.
post #2 of 10


Thanks for sharing. I'm so glad your mother respected you and you had the tools to say NO! So many kids don't... :

That's what I hope to give to my kids by leading an AP life...the respect for themselves, the respect for their own feelings and intuition, and the empowerment to be responsible.

Just for the record, my kids go on loooooong visits to their dad, 2.5 weeks for a 3 and 5 year old, most others would shudder at the thought. But they are THRILLED to go, I know their dad is taking good care of them (after finally being able to about a year into visits...before that, he was incompetent in a lot of ways), and we've worked up to it. Is it a little hard on them to be gone so long? Yes, in the last week or so, but they never hesitate to want to go, and for me, that makes all the difference in the world.

Also FWIW, my sister had an experience of needing to break off visits with our dad, he wasn't being inappropriate sexually, but he did disrespect her in a way that tore to her core, and she basically had minimal visits from when she was 13 until 16, when she had her own car and own ability to chose when to come and go. It was the right thing for her, and I'm glad everyone was willing to respect it (my dad wasn't very willing, but he had no choice, she refused). I do wish people would listen to their children's signals and emotions more, because it makes all the difference, and it teaches the child that their feelings of security matter.

Thanks, Ione, for this thread and for advocating that children in custody situations be given respect for their spoken and unspoken needs.
post #3 of 10
This is on a tangent, but my parents housed a few foster kids when I was young. I think there were three girls altogether, one after the other.

One of the foster girls was obviously disturbed, and made advances/molested me for the entire six months she lived with us. I was only 9yo, and I never told my parents. Even now, more than 25 years later, my mom doesn't know (dad is deceased).

I wonder sometimes....why didn't I say anything? Just as I wonder why Ione didn't tell on her dad? Why are we scared to tell?
post #4 of 10
Thanks for sharing your story, Ione.

I had an experience as a child that keeps me vigilant about listening to my kids and conscious of protecting them no matter who they are with. When I was 5, I was taken on a summer long trip to Spain by my father, whom I barely knew. I'd never been with him overnight. I called him "Roger" just like my mom. My older brother, who had had a couple of overnights, went, along with my step mother and two stepsisters.

Well, I endured a summer of hell. I was a late bedwetter, and my stepmother decided she would beat it out of me. She had total access and total control, all summer long. My dad didn't hit me himself, but he knew what was going on.

My mother may not have known exactly what happened, but she got a lot of it out of my brother, so she knew enough. And yet, and these are her words, " I think it's really important for kids to have a father". And, " You never seemed scared to go back and visit". So we went back every summer until I was about 16.

Strangely, even though the situation was never healthy, my stepmother never hit me after that summer.

I don't want to imply that this is what happens, so you better be careful. I just think it's very important for everyone, not just mothers or cp's, to listen to children and take them and their feelings seriously. Even if it's just general fear that's being expressed this time, if the child knows she will be heard, she will speak up if something is really wrong. That doesn't mean letting little kids make the decisions,either. Just that we slow down, figure out what's going on, and make plans that take those feelings into account.

Just my .02
post #5 of 10
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Originally Posted by 2tadpoles View Post
I wonder sometimes....why didn't I say anything? Just as I wonder why Ione didn't tell on her dad? Why are we scared to tell?
In my case, I think it was because I knew what happened was wrong (and gross), but didn't really know/understand that *he* was the only one that was wrong at the time. Because I knew (but couldn't have put into words) the strength of society's taboo against incest and sexual abuse, but didn't *know* that I wasn't to be and wouldn't be blamed for it. Because I somehow felt that saying anything would cause major problems all around. Because I was afraid that everyone would see me differently if I told. And because telling would mean I would have to talk and think about it a lot more than I wanted to and I couldn't "ignore it" at the time.
post #6 of 10
Thanks, mamas, for sharing your stories and illustrating why it is so important to listen to children and take their concerns seriously.
post #7 of 10
(((((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))) Ione, thank you for posting this. It is a very good reminder for all of us that most times our babes have very solid reasons for not wanting to do something that is believed to be "in their best interest".
post #8 of 10
Thanks for sharing your story - I am so glad you were so strong and that your mother listened to you and respected your wishes. Now only if the courts and the NCPs would do the same.
post #9 of 10
Thanks for sharing your story, Ione.

You said:
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[*]my father was not an active predator, but only just starting to feel some attraction to pedophilia at the time (i.e. impulsive on his part, not meditated or anything he had ever done before)
If you are willing to share, I would be interested to know how you learned this context. Or are you guessing?
post #10 of 10
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Originally Posted by Junonia View Post
If you are willing to share, I would be interested to know how you learned this context. Or are you guessing?
To be honest, it is technically an educated guess (but one that I would bet heavily on being right) based on what I know of his past (before the incident), what my mother and his wife have shared with me (after I told them about the incident) about his behavior around other girls of the same age at various times, what I have seen and observed since then up until today, and the knowledge I have from multiple non-him sources about his opportunities to be in contact with young girls (and boys) that might leave him with an "opening" for such behavior. Oh, and because it was clearly a sudden, impulsive thing when it happened, not something he had been "grooming" me for in any way prior to it. (Also because I interpret his not forcing me to continue visits and not fighting my mother over the issue as an acknowledgment--perhaps mostly unconscious--on his part that he had "crossed a line".)

I honestly believe that he, too, has also been spared actually acting on those impulses (that I suspect he's not fully cognizant of) by a sequence of coincidences, circumstances and strong, reproving reactions by the people around him. The details of which I do not wish to share because they are not part of "my story" to tell.

I also think that he is and will remain potentially dangerous if ever placed in circumstances that would enable him to act on an impulse, without immediate and strong negative reaction before things go "too far".
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