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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
I'm due in a week and this will be my second birth but first home water birth.
At my last midwife appointment the doula told me she checks fetal heart rate every fifteen minutes when i'm in labor the entire time. She even said most of the laboring moms get mad at her but she has to. Is that normal to check the HR so often? It seems like it will be so disruptive when i'm in labor!:

Anyone had any similar experiences while home birthing?
post #2 of 24
Maybe she doesn't mean early labor. I can't imagine she would need to do that until maybe things are closer and it's almost time for the baby to come.
post #3 of 24
That sounds over the top to me. Maybe every fifteen minutes when you are pushing, but doing that for the whole labor sounds invasive, distracting, and counterproductive to me. I'd have to ask a MW doing that to leave my home or I'd never get a baby out. I won't mind if a MW wants to check every hour or two/three, or if there is some kind of big change in the labor. My labors last days, it'd be exhausting for both of us.

Kiley
post #4 of 24
Keep in mind that you are still the one calling the shots.

And yes, IMO this is over the top. I would not allow my MWs to monitor me or do any vaginals....this interrupts my concentration/headspace.

You can say no.
post #5 of 24
My mw checked about every 15 mintues when I was pushing & just a bit before I started pushing. It was just a quick check with the doppler & I didn't mind it at all...if it would have been a vaginal-then that would have been a different story. I only had 3 checks my entire pregnancy
post #6 of 24
Mine checked about that frequently, closer to pushing. I pushed for 2.5 hours so it may have just been during that time. I only remember b/c I was in the water and had to get out of the water to use the doppler (she didn't have one that could get wet) It wasn't that annoying - very quick, and I was interested in hearing that my baby was tolerating anyway.
post #7 of 24
I wouldn't let the DOULA check squat! I do know that certain coula certifying organizations have the doula performing more "medical" type things than others, and it sounds like she was trained in one of those.....
and NO, she DARN WELL DOES NOT ***HAVE*** to do anything in YOUR birth that YOU do not choose to have done.
It seems odd you would have to decline procedures in a homebirth, from a fricken DOULA no less, but hey, you do what you have to.
Not to make it sound like I am insulting doulas...I generally LOVE doulas.......but THIS particular doula is CLEARLY overstepping her role/position, IMO. Who the heck does she thing she is, TELLING you what WILL happen during YOUR birth - and she's not even ANYONE..a fricken support person.....SHEESH! What gall, what unmitigated GALL.

*edited to add...I have no idea why this particular story has inflamed me so...but clearly, it has struck something in me. *
post #8 of 24
I was only checked that often towards the end of labor and the pushing stage.
post #9 of 24
Thread Starter 
When I see my MW this week I will definitely make sure that the doula only checks the HR while i'm pushing! I have only met this doula twice and the way she said laboring moms get mad at her for checking HR but she has too, kind of made me not like her so much. If she does check through the labor I will have to find the guts to tell my MW I don't want her apprentice/doula at my house, or else my baby will take days to come out with all that interference.

Yeah and having do decline anything from a homebirth is crazy, if I wanted to refuse procedures etc, I would have had another hospital birth.
post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by lachingona1 View Post
I'm due in a week and this will be my second birth but first home water birth.
At my last midwife appointment the doula told me she checks fetal heart rate every fifteen minutes when i'm in labor the entire time. She even said most of the laboring moms get mad at her but she has to. Is that normal to check the HR so often? It seems like it will be so disruptive when i'm in labor!:

Anyone had any similar experiences while home birthing?
In all honesty, once things were rolling, I didn't notice WHAT the he** she did!

I say that working with a midwife is a partnership. If she feels best checking every 15 minutes, I would concede that to her, giving a little to make her job easier as she watches over you.
post #11 of 24
Am I understanding you right? You are saying that the doula is saying SHE will be checking the heart tones? That is not her role in the birth! (unless you say it is to be)
That is your MIDWIVES responsibility, and only if the midwife and you agree to allowing her, should she. You have the say in everything, and most midwives will check as often as what has been posted- and not more (more often as you begin pushing). But a doula's job is support for you, not being the midwife. I have only worked with a few doulas, and they worked with back rubs, and other comfort measures for mom.
post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by birthgreeter View Post
Am I understanding you right? You are saying that the doula is saying SHE will be checking the heart tones? That is not her role in the birth! (unless you say it is to be)
That is your MIDWIVES responsibility, and only if the midwife and you agree to allowing her, should she. You have the say in everything, and most midwives will check as often as what has been posted- and not more (more often as you begin pushing). But a doula's job is support for you, not being the midwife. I have only worked with a few doulas, and they worked with back rubs, and other comfort measures for mom.
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Checking heart tones for baby and vaginal checks are in a midwife's line of responsibility. Doulas, unless she is the midwife's apprentice as well??, do not have that typically written into their "job description".
post #13 of 24
Thread Starter 
Yeah, the Doula herself is the one saying she has to check the HR.

She is the MWs apprentice, does that give her the role of doing that?
post #14 of 24
Not unless you want her to!! And if she's already telling you that she is planning to do something that she KNOWS other laboring women have objected to, I would go ahead and talk to your MW and suggest she not be present. It is OKAY to do that! Better now than when you're in labor.
post #15 of 24
Yeah that. I'm comfortable with frequent heartbeat checks, but only from my midwife. My midwife, btw, made certain I was completely comfortable with anyone who might assist her at the birth. If I'd had an oogy feeling about someone, theey would have been scratched off the list.

Bleccch. I don't like the sound of this.
post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by attachedmamaof3 View Post
I would go ahead and talk to your MW and suggest she not be present. It is OKAY to do that! Better now than when you're in labor.
We all know that someone at the birth who you have bad feelings towards, that alone can affect your labor.

Also, even if it was my apprentice, She should be using words such as "we" to include me, the midwife. She is learning, not being the one in charge. It is not a control thing, just a proper way to keep your midwife as the one in charge. If she speaks as you stated, that 'she' will be doing this, then it appears to me (if she is an apprentice,) that she had no respect for her 'teacher' the midwife.
post #17 of 24
To me that sounds like too much. With dd1, mw arrived when I was in transition and it seemed like she did heart tones quite a bit (between every few cx?) but it's fuzzy. Is she using a doptone or fetascope? I'd worry with a long labor about that much ultrasound. When does she start doing it? What if you need a few hours alone? I'd make your needs met and talk to the head mw about riding herd on the doula.
post #18 of 24
that sounds really odd to me. my hospital based vey medically inclined midwife from my first birth had that policy, and i think it's a pretty common policy for hospitals.

i dont think my midwife checked heart tones at all during my first homebirth (though she pretty much just showed up and caught the baby as my labor was very fast) and i think she checked maybe twice during my second homebirth. every 15 minutes sounds really excessive to me.
post #19 of 24
If she is a student midwife, she should not be using the word doula in her title at all, the roles are totally different.

I agree every 15 sounds too often. I did know a midwife that *said* she checked that often, but when the mom's told me about their births, if was never that often.

And if she is a student midwife, you can refuse having her attend the birth, just like med students in the hospital. I normally wouldn't do this, as midwives need a place to learn, but if she is bad at what she does, she doesn't need to be at your birth! A midwife needs an assistant yes, but she does not have to be a student.

BTW, if the 'doula' has her certification through a certain org, you can check them out and see if she is outside her scope of practice-chances are if she is acually certifed, she's operating outside the rules she has argreed to in calling herself a doula, not a student midwife.
post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by ahdoula View Post
If she is a student midwife, she should not be using the word doula in her title at all, the roles are totally different.

I agree every 15 sounds too often. I did know a midwife that *said* she checked that often, but when the mom's told me about their births, if was never that often.

And if she is a student midwife, you can refuse having her attend the birth, just like med students in the hospital. I normally wouldn't do this, as midwives need a place to learn, but if she is bad at what she does, she doesn't need to be at your birth! A midwife needs an assistant yes, but she does not have to be a student.

BTW, if the 'doula' has her certification through a certain org, you can check them out and see if she is outside her scope of practice-chances are if she is acually certifed, she's operating outside the rules she has argreed to in calling herself a doula, not a student midwife.

She should very making very clear her role at your baby's birth, explain whether she is attending as a doula or MW's assistant. It is her obligation to you, as a provider to a client. One question: do you meet with your MW and her assistant at the same appointment or does the assistant have separate appointments or substitute for the MW? This is important to know, too. This can tell you a lot about what kind of care you will get at the moment of labor and birth, too.

Another thought to add in: Doulas are typically support persons of a mother's choosing, whom the mother seeks out, usually separately from the MW, and interviews, to find the right "fit" for her needs: personality, budget, family circumstances, etc.

Note: Some MW's are more hands-on, like a doula, and some say that they are there to be MW and if you want massage, counterpressure, more emotional involvement, to hire a doula. Not to blur the lines and say doulas can provide MW care, but MW can act more doula-y, too, depending on the kind of care they offer. They are not always mutually exclusive terms, but a mother should be sure to ascertain what the person's official role is and what their idea of how they carry out their role will be--that way, mom can hold their ideals and examine them and see if they fit with what she, the mother, wants for her care.

Do you have a written agreement between yourself and your MW that you signed when you first hired her services? This may outline what she provides, and may include how she handles her relationship with her assistants. That said, you can always speak up when something doesn't feel right to you, as you are the client and she is providing you services. I agree with a PP: you always have the "right" to say who does what or attends your labor and birth.
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