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[Papai]

Originally Posted by faeriebeauty22

he was focused on the pain of it. he said he wished his parents did it when he was a baby so he wouldn't remember it.

What a stupid cop out. How are his parents supposed to know that he wished he didn't have a part of his penis that he was born with?

Should girls with unpierced ears complain that their parents didn't get it pierced for them when were a baby so they wouldn't remember the pain? (Even though circ is way more painful than piercing, it's the same theory)

I still don't believe that every single intact man your DH knows "hated" being intact and wished they were circ'd but even if that is the case, there are millions of intact men worldwide who are happy to be intact.

[lovesdaffodils]

Be sure to tell him that there are plenty of men who were circumcised as babies and hate it and wish they weren't (like my DH). Unfortunately for them, it's not as easy to restore a foreskin as it is to get a circumcision as an adult.

[Arduinna]

Originally Posted by faeriebeauty22

what if your hubby is procirc, and the reason he is, is because ALL the guys he knows who AREN'T circ'ed (or were circ'ed as adults) hate it and wish their parents had it done when they were born?

Um so? that would pretty much be my response. Don't really care what his supposed intact friends think. Personally I don't even believe that " all the guys he knows who "aren't circ'd" hate it and wish they were.

Try again, buddy.

[Microsoap]

Have you read the thread here entitled "Birthday"? A man circumcised as an infant feels a deep conflict on the day he was born. This is because he was circumcised on the same day. He wishes he had been left intact. Now he mourns his birthday. Even if it was done the next-day, there's _still_ the feeling of his deep sense of loss that he will have to live with _every_ day of his life.

As everyone knows, a circumcision can't be reversed, but an intact man unhappy w/ his intact status can always get circumcised as an adult. It's like a flat chested female who wants to get breast implants. You alter your body when you're an adult.

[faeriebeauty22]

Originally Posted by Papai

I still don't believe that every single intact man your DH knows "hated" being intact and wished they were circ'd but even if that is the case, there are millions of intact men worldwide who are happy to be intact.

word. i know how common it ISN'T in his generation, he probably only knows a handful, and just the one who got it done when he was an adult. the others who are still intact he says tell him they wish their parents had done it when they were babies because it's a pain in the ass to maintain.


i kinda think that's retarded because if you have basic hygiene habits you should be fine, right? he says they tell him that if they don't clean it after EVERY time they PEE, that it starts to smell!! wt..?!

[faeriebeauty22]

Originally Posted by Microsoap

As everyone knows, a circumcision can't be reversed, but an intact man unhappy w/ his intact status can always get circumcised as an adult. It's like a flat chested female who wants to get breast implants. You alter your body when you're an adult.

i haven't read the thread yet, but i agree with this, and i brought this up. he says well flat boobs aren't hard to keep clean. he's pretty bent on the hygiene/maintenance/cleaning part of it.

i would only think it would be a problem if the person has bad hygiene habits or if they were badly taken care of when they were younger and they had scar tissue build up which would make it easier for bacteria to get in there and cause problems.

we haven't spoken about this specifically yet, i just need to build up a knowledge from many people, aside from reports on the web, yk?

[candiland]

Not to mention... circumcision has the risk of infection, death, and decreased sexual function later in life. All of these very real, researched risks and common side effects of circ. are PROVEN...... whereas all the supposed "risks" of keeping a foreskin keep turning out totally bunk.

It is a cure that is desperately searching for a disease to justify the hundreds of things that can and do go wrong with the amputation of a valuable functioning body part.

[AutumnMama]

Well, flat boobs may not be "hard to clean", but what about an intact vulva/vagina? That has WAAAY more nooks and crannies than an intact penis.

I don't get what's so hard about: pull back, rinse, replace.
(Obviously I'm talking about an intact adult, with babies/kids there is no retracting, just wipe over it all. )

[carriebft]

Originally Posted by faeriebeauty22

i haven't read the thread yet, but i agree with this, and i brought this up. he says well flat boobs aren't hard to keep clean. he's pretty bent on the hygiene/maintenance/cleaning part of it.

i would only think it would be a problem if the person has bad hygiene habits or if they were badly taken care of when they were younger and they had scar tissue build up which would make it easier for bacteria to get in there and cause problems.

we haven't spoken about this specifically yet, i just need to build up a knowledge from many people, aside from reports on the web, yk?

ask him what he thinks about applying gauze and vaseline to his son's open wound for a few weeks? and then picking off hairs from the head? and dealing with adhesions and needing more vaseline, sometimes for years after the circumcision?


Intact penises are maintanence free until they become retractable (sometimes not til puberty!)....and then its the three Rs:

Retract
Rinse
Replace


Not difficult at all!


And FYI, the scar tissue build up is from forced retraction. A NO NO! your son won;t have scar tissue build up because you won't be retracting him! (well, you shouldn't, and since you are here I trust you wont!)

[Microsoap]

The same thing could be said about female infant circumcision to keep a female clean, and its' illegal to cut anything off of them. In fact, there was a thread here from a mother who said SHE gets more smegma in her vagina, than her intact son, who has none. Since the foreskin is fused to the glans the first 3 or 4 years of life (note: there's noooooo set magical age it's suppose to become retractable) and when it does become retractable, the only "care" involved would be retracting it, swishing it w/ water (or under water, like I do) and pushing the foreskin back over the glans to protect it. It takes like, 5 seconds. AND your son will have protection and maximum sexual sensitivity he was meant to have.

[LavenderMae]

I am distrubed that grown men find it's to hard to; retract, rinse and replace.
Please invite all the intact but hate it men you know to this board so they can see how lucky they really are to have their whole penis.

[faeriebeauty22]

Originally Posted by candiland

Not to mention... circumcision has the risk of infection, death, and decreased sexual function later in life. All of these very real, researched risks and common side effects of circ. are PROVEN...... whereas all the supposed "risks" of keeping a foreskin keep turning out totally bunk.

It is a cure that is desperately searching for a disease to justify the hundreds of things that can and do go wrong with the amputation of a valuable functioning body part.

i think this is going to be my strongest argument. i don't think he could handle if something happened to our next son because of a circumcision that he wanted. i know that there's hope at least because he is willing to look up the vast amounts of research out there instead of crossing his arms like an idiot and just saying "nope!"

[faeriebeauty22]

Originally Posted by Sheacoby

I am distrubed that grown men find it's to hard to; retract, rinse and replace.
Please invite all the intact but hate it men you know to this board so they can see how lucky they really are to have their whole penis.

i knooooooow right?! hubby AND my guy friend BOTH told me that and my jaw just dropped w/ the last guy. i was like, you've GOT to be kidding me!! if it was seriously an issue, they would have "male infection creams" on the pharmacy shelves, just like women have vagisil and fracking monistat and all that other messy stuff! it's not that hard to keep yourself clean, if i can do it, i'm sure a guy can too, he's got less to maintain!

[Papai]

Originally Posted by faeriebeauty22

word. i know how common it ISN'T in his generation, he probably only knows a handful, and just the one who got it done when he was an adult. the others who are still intact he says tell him they wish their parents had done it when they were babies because it's a pain in the ass to maintain.


i kinda think that's retarded because if you have basic hygiene habits you should be fine, right? he says they tell him that if they don't clean it after EVERY time they PEE, that it starts to smell!! wt..?!

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What on earth?! Where do you live?

I'm intact and you don't have to wash up every time you pee. WTF? Do women have to wash their vaginas every time they pee? What kind of brain washing have these men received? A shower every day is more than sufficient.

What is it with the cleanliness thing? Why do people presume that circ'd penises are clean? The groin area is a damp, moist, musty place whether your penis is circ'd or not. It doesn't smell like roses!

[faeriebeauty22]

Originally Posted by Papai

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What on earth?! Where do you live?

I'm intact and you don't have to wash up every time you pee. WTF? Do women have to wash their vaginas every time they pee? What kind of brain washing have these men received? A shower every day is more than sufficient.

What is it with the cleanliness thing? Why do people presume that circ'd penises are clean? The groin is area is a damp, moist, musty place whether your penis is circ'd or not. It doesn't smell like roses!

laughup

i know that was what i was thinking! i was like, ok well i don't wash after i pee... after a long day it's definitely time for a shower, but it's not like instant stinky after i leave the bathroom, why would guys be like that if they were intact like i am? his homies must be some serious dirty birds.

[Papai]

Originally Posted by faeriebeauty22

laughup

i know that was what i was thinking! i was like, ok well i don't wash after i pee... after a long day it's definitely time for a shower, but it's not like instant stinky after i leave the bathroom, why would guys be like that if they were intact like i am? his homies must be some serious dirty birds.

I don't even think they're dirty. It sounds to me like they've had some negative influences and brain washing. I.e. someone telling them their penises are dirty.

I mean the whole thing about cleaning after every urination is crazy. First off, when I pee, I retract the foreskin so the urine doesn't even really touch it. Then I shake the drops out, and replace the foreskin. Badda boom. Circ'd men have drops of urine still in their urethra too. But it's not considered "dirty". It's all so ridiculous.

Maybe as a heterosexual intact male I'm the one who's confused. Ladies and gents who have first-hand experience with circ'd penises, do they smell like fresh daffodils? I'm baffled.

[blsilva]

Originally Posted by Papai

Ladies and gents who have first-hand experience with circ'd penises, do they smell like fresh daffodils?

Umm, that would be a no.
Of course, neither do I most days, so its all good.

OP, it sounds like you've gotten a good handle on this, but I wanted to agree with others who have already said this- the easiest and safest way to deal with this is to let the child decide for himself, as an adult. No risks of death/injury/etc as a baby, and no risk that he'd feel sorry about what was done later. As others have pointed out, its far easier to be circumcised as an adult than to try to restore. And the pain management for the procedure would be far better for an adult than the great lot of nothing they give babies.
Though its more likely he would not want to do it at all.

[paquerette]

It's my experience that, with either circ'ed or intact, it ain't the penis that gets ripe first, but it's close friends and neighbors. :

[trmpetplaya]

My dh rinses under his foreskin every day or every other day during his shower I have NO complaints whatsoever about his hygiene. We were both born in 1983 and most men in our generation were/are circumcised and yet my dh is very happy that he was left intact. Of course, we live on the West Coast so that could have something to do with it... but still...

The only guy I know who chose to be circumcised as an adult still appreciated that his parents left the decision up to HIM since it's HIS penis. My ex-boyfriend was happy to be intact and slept around a ton as well (in case your dh tries to use the excuse that girls don't like intact penises...) and has absolutely no plans to be circumcised ever.

I also know at least three guys my age who really wish they had NOT been circumcised, but there's not a whole lot they can do about it now. The decision was taken away from them before they could even have a say in what was done to their own body (the most private part of their own body, no less) :

I also know circumcised men who are happy that they were circumcised, but I'm not convinced that they aren't just in denial And they, of course, have nothing to compare it to... just like women who were circumcised who claim that they're happy and aren't missing out on anything (and those women definitely do exist - it's all about cultural expectations...).

love and peace.

[Arduinna]

Just tell him sorry no circ, ain't going to happen so just get over it. His excuses are pathetic and not even plausable anyway. UGH!