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post #101 of 1280
I've been vindicated! Dd and I have had many a discussion on the last book, and I've always maintained Snape being good/killing D'dore on his orders. She just came to me a few minutes ago admitting my rightness.

I love being right!!
post #102 of 1280
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She said two deaths, and then there were soo many. I was so sad that Teddy was orphaned. Seems unnecessary Did we find out who raised him? I read very fast so I might have just not picked up on it.
I figured he was raised by harry, but I wish she had said it explicity, it was confusing, especially with the 'why don't you ask him to live with us' thing?

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You know, I don't think, after this book, anyone will be calling these children's books. Although, they should have realized after the 4th that these weren't kiddie tales.
YEah, my brother said 'aren't those kids' books while I was reading and I said 'REally they aren't at all'. The first three were ok in a young adult way, but after that..

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I had a problem with the big 19 year gap too. :/ I would have liked some reunification scenes, some good snogging, maybe a wedding scene.
Yeah, I would liked to have found out what harry did for a living, who was running hogwarts, the ministry, etc.
post #103 of 1280
Things I wanted to know from this book but didn't find out:

What would have happened to snape if he broke the unbreakable vow, though I suppose its not as important since we found out dd was dying anyway, which was part of why he wanted snape to kill him, I thought hte effect of the unbreakable vow on snape was why DD would want him to kill him.

What James and Lily Potter did for a living, how they earned piles of gold at gringotts?

What the heck is that veil in the ministry sirius fell behind?
post #104 of 1280
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I took breaks and tried to slow down and savor it, but ended up devouring the book.
Yeah, I told DH that I was frustrated with how she writes because when I am trying to read fast I want to get to the information in so fast I miss things and then have to go back to figure out what I skimmed and end up taking longer!
post #105 of 1280
The "he already comes 'round for dinner 4 or 5 times a week... might as well invite him to live with us" thing led me to believe that Teddy was not raised by Harry/Ginny. Especially because the Potter boys discussed which room Ted would get. If he had been raised in the Potter house, he would already have a room.

Darn it all, JK! I need more answers!
post #106 of 1280
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The "he already comes 'round for dinner 4 or 5 times a week... might as well invite him to live with us" thing led me to believe that Teddy was not raised by Harry/Ginny. Especially because the Potter boys discussed which room Ted would get. If he had been raised in the Potter house, he would already have a room.

Darn it all, JK! I need more answers!
I believe he was raised by Tonks' mother. She says "my mum will look after [Teddy]" in the Room of Requirement.
post #107 of 1280
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I believe he was raised by Tonks' mother. She says "my mum will look after [Teddy]" in the Room of Requirement.
I thought that was pretty clear. I mean, who would probably take better care of a baby? Grandma or a 17-year-old boy? Not to mention Andromeda just lost her husband and her child. I'd be clinging to my grandson for dear life if it was me.
post #108 of 1280
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I thought that was pretty clear. I mean, who would probably take better care of a baby? Grandma or a 17-year-old boy? Not to mention Andromeda just lost her husband and her child. I'd be clinging to my grandson for dear life if it was me.
Well, that 17-year-old boy did just sort of save the entire Wizarding world, so he might have been OK but I agree it was probably better that Grandma did it.
post #109 of 1280
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So, here's a question--why wear the Horcrux locket? Why not stash it in Hermione's Happy Handbag?

ETA: And I know Harry didn't want to lose it. But I still think that was lame.
post #110 of 1280
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who the heck do you supposed JK considers the TWO deaths? :
It's not that there were only going to be two deaths ... this is the actual article:

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Author J.K. Rowling said two characters will die in the last installment of her boy wizard series, and she hinted Harry Potter might not survive either. “I have never been tempted to kill him off before the final because I’ve always planned seven books, and I want to finish on seven books,” Rowling said on Monday’s Richard and Judy television show. “I can completely understand, however, the mentality of an author who thinks, ‘Well, I’m gonna kill them off because that means there can be no non-author written sequels. So it will end with me, and after I’m dead and gone they won’t be able to bring back the character.’” Rowling declined to commit herself about Harry, saying she doesn’t want to receive hate mail. “The last book is not finished. But I’m well into it now. I wrote the final chapter in something like 1990, so I’ve known exactly how the series is going to end,” she said. Rowling said people are sometimes shocked to hear that she wrote the end of book seven before she had a publisher for the first book in the series. “The final chapter is hidden away, although it’s now changed very slightly. One character got a reprieve. But I have to say two die that I didn’t intend to die,” she said. “A price has to be paid. We are dealing with pure evil here. They don’t target extras do they? They go for the main characters. Well, I do.” Rowling is the richest woman in Britain – wealthier than even the queen – with a fortune estimated by Forbes magazine last year at more than $1 billion. Whatever she writes next, Rowling is sure of one thing: It won’t be as successful as Harry Potter. “I don’t think I’m ever going to have anything like Harry again. You just get one like Harry.”
It is the part in bold that is most telling in this. Two died that she didn't intend to die ... Tonks and Lupin? And one who got a reprieve ... Draco? Lucius? Hagrid (he was buried under giant killer spiders)? So its not that only two would die, but just that two she didn't intend to originally kill off did die.
post #111 of 1280
Just finished here. Still crying.
Wow.
Yay.so good. Need more time to process before discussion.
post #112 of 1280
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3. (This one is a little bizarre, but stick with me.) How the Death Eater reign of terror was so similar to the Abolitionist movement in the pre-Civil War U.S., and ESPECIALLY similar to the Holocaust. More so in this book than the others, I felt like she was really trying to make a point, and, in some way, prepare kids for the emotional impacts of the uglier parts of our history.

6. I actually liked it when Harry, Ron, and Hermione were in the woods. Even tho' that was the darkest part of the book for me, it was reminiscant of hiding from Nazis or slaveowners. (See number 3.) I thought she made a great point about how, even people who survive reigns of terror by hiding or going out on the lam, the lack of contact with larger society is dehumanizing, and the survivors bear the scars of that, even if they escape torture and abuse.
On this idea ... JKR has said that there is some significance to the fact that Gellert Grindelwald was defeated in 1945 ... the year Hitler was killed and Nazi Germany fell. Add to this the fact that the prison Grindelwald built (and was eventually imprisoned in) was Nuremwald and that the "motto" across the top was "For the Greater Good." Very telling ...

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Yeah... it was weird. But, if I remember correctly, all Harry hissed was the parseltongue equivalent of "OPEN". And, I think Ron has heard Harry say that more recently... maybe even in the final book when trying to open the snitch? So, I don't think it has been 4 years since he heard it. But, still, it was odd.

Plus, wouldn't getting all the way into the chamber to where the basilisk died and knocking out a few fangs take a while? How were they back so quickly? I have a feeling a lot more of that scene was originally written and edited out. It was weird to just have Ron and Hermione show up out of nowhere and announce they had basilisk fangs and had destroyed a horcrux.
Yeah, this was the one part of the book where the narrative broke down for me. In Book 2, didn't they need Fawkes to fly them out of the Chamber? And the whole Ron speaking Parseltongue ... my credence slipped a couple of notches at this point.


Also, I cried at Dobby's death, and knew knew Snape was good. The pensieve scene was so touching. Plus, the final scene between Harry and Dumbledore made me cry as well as did the revelation of Tonks and Lupin's deaths. Makes me tear up right now thinking about it again.


On the whole ... what a book! What a ride for the last 7 years (DW and I were late comers to the series) and now what a letdown ... though I am thinking that I'm going to listen to all seven book sequentially and get the whole big picture ... so maybe not so much of a let down.
post #113 of 1280
I loved it!! Was a bit dissapointed about the epilogue, however *maybe* she will write a book about the young potter/weasley crew's adventures??? that would be wonderful!
got my book around 12:30pm and finished around 8pm today...couldn't put it down!!!
My only complaint is that the end seemed SO rushed, everyone dying without any time to really process anything. Also, I wish there was more about all the goings on at hogwarts(even though i know it was from harry's POV), it was just odd how different this book was from the prior hogwarts focused ones.

All in all good, but sad...glad that the three friends made it out in the end!!
post #114 of 1280
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Originally Posted by annettemarie View Post
So, here's a question--why wear the Horcrux locket? Why not stash it in Hermione's Happy Handbag?

ETA: And I know Harry didn't want to lose it. But I still think that was lame.
Yeah, felt too lord of the rings. I could understand not wanting to leave it around, but harry had that little pouch which was around his neck that no one but him could get into (which never really played into anything) I don't understand why they didn't just keep it in there, except of course that having it around his neck set up the ron coming back and saving harry thing.


I liked how at the end Harry was so confident and sure of himself, he sounded like dumbledore in the last fight with voldemort.
post #115 of 1280
OH OH OH

Neville's rebellion ... that gave me goosebumps and made me cry. I've always loved Neville and was so glad to see him come into his own. The reunion with Neville in the Hog's Head was - for me - the most touching scene in the book.
post #116 of 1280
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My general thoughts:
JKR has this habit of just tossing deaths in the story like she's described a tree or something. It totally catches me off guard.
Yes, this drives me crazy. I'm trucking along, reading quickly because I want to know what happens and I realize two pages later that somehow I missed someone died.

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5. The only time I bawled was the scene where Harry got the Resurrection Stone and saw his dead loved ones.

Me too!
post #117 of 1280
Ok how do I read the spouilers that are all blacked out?? I am dying here. LOL DD has the book!

H
post #118 of 1280
Yeah, she disposes of her characters quick and without suffering. It's nice that they die without hours of pain, but at the same time, it feels kind of cold and...like...I don't know, like the characters just really aren't done justice by the brief descriptions of their quick deaths. It's like bam, gone, bam, gone--oh well.
post #119 of 1280
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Honestly I though the whole let's-hide-in-the-woods-and-brood thing was too long. It really slowed up the story for me.
Yeah - I mean considering how much it seems like she left off of the end, they spent way too much time on the first horcrux!

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we've never seen Harry as Harry- he has always been "the Boy Who Lived" or "the Chosen One."
He never will be anyay - even with LV gone, he'll be the one who vanquished him, he survived the killing curse twice, etc. She references that in the epilogue when ron says everyone is looking out the train because 'I'm famous'

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OK, here's my question of the night--

Harry is crap at Occulmency. He freely admits this, and Hermione reminds him of it every other chapter. So why does he have a free pass into the daily activities of Voldemort, but Voldie doesn't have a clue what's going on in Potterville? Did I miss something?
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But he didn't mind in Books 5 or 6? That confused me.
That is confusing, but its probably more that in book 5 when he was showing harry the dept of mysteries, harry was just reading his mind, he was just showing harry what he wanted. It wasn't until the end of book 5 when battling dumbledore that he actually possessed harry and he couldn't stand it and didn't want to go back. Though it seems odd to me that he wouldn't have worked to block the link, since he knew it was there.

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5. I LOVED it when Harry stood up to Lupin about not killing Stan. How if he was going to kill people just for being in his way, he was no better than Voldemort. I also was proud when Harry refused to kill (or allow to be killed) Malfoy and his cronies.
I love when they passed malfoy by later and saved him again and said 'that's hte second time today!' or something. And remember what a big deal DD made of being in that kind of debt to someone? Seems like she threw in a little pettiness in the epilogue by specifically mention malfoy had a receeding hair line...


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I have to admit...I lost faith in Snape. I feel awful! I knew he was good, I knew it, but then after the first few chapters, I just thought I must have been wrong. I really hate the way he died.
I feel like with so many things, the more JK Rowling works to hint at one thing, its becuase she's covering the opposite. I knew snape must be good because he was so bad all the way through. She's kind of transparent that way. Like when Harry was walking off to his death, I felt this was a sure sign he would actually live.

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And hey! How come no one named their kid after Fred?!?!
Uh yeah - Harry names his kid after snape but Ron doesn't even name his kid Fred? Though I suppose if you saw the whole picture maybe George named his kid Fred or something...
post #120 of 1280
After reading through this thread, I am very unsatisfied with the ending. Thinking about book 6 and the great chapter she had after Dumbledore died - the lsat chapter of the book, that's what is missing from this book, a chapter like that. Just a general 'cleaning up' sort of chapter. It doesn't fit her her as she wrapped up every other book that way!
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