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I'm 26 and this is my first child. I had a 33 hour labor... 26 hours w/o pain meds or any meds and then an epidural (my contractions slowed down and I was falling asleep, so fatigued.) and then pushed for about 1 hour. My baby was 9lbs and I needed an episiotomy. I was basically giving birth on my back, although they tried to tell me that lifting up my legs put me in a "squat position." I don't know when this happened... 

 

I haven't read through this entire thread yet, but I intend to. I am amost 6 weeks postpartum and I have been having a rough time. I am pretty sure I have both cystocele and rectocele, but I don't know how badly. I've been crying a lot the past few days because of it. I started out having a really really hard time pooing after giving birth and I bleed every time. I think I have an internal hemmoroid now. I finally got up the courage to look down there at about 3 weeks PP and I started worrying about it. My urethra bulges and I have two lumps down there... It looks big instead of a hole, but someone else posted a pic in the beginning of the thread which matches what I have and someone else said that looked very minor so I sure hope so. My pp check up is next Monday...

 

I called my doctor around week 3 because I felt a lot of pressure down there and it burned a little when I peed. I thought I had a UTI and I might have. The nurse was going to call me in antibiotics but I was worried about thrush and am EBF, so instead I drank a ton of unsweetended cranberry juice, took organic cranberry pills and my usual probiotics. My BM issue didn't get better so two days ago I called again and told them that I was sure I had some prolapse as inside my vagina I felt a bulge on top and had to physically help my poo out. My cervix is definitely lower, too. Everything feels mushy and strange inside. She just informed me that my bladder being lower was normal and if it wasn't good by 6 weeks they might refer me to physical therapy.

 

Emotionally, I've been a wreck... I've been terrified of having to poop and had to resort to an enema yesterday which really ended up making me bleed. I'm feeling geriatric and extremely depressed. I've done a lot of research into this now, and it just made me more depressed. I've cried like 5 times today, but this thread is making me feel better because I see I am not alone and this seems to be a problem a lot of women have and don't talk about. I have told my husband everything and even showed him what I look like now and he is being sooo supportive when I need it. I don't know what I would do if I didn't have his shoulder to cry on. I also told my mom and she is basically telling me it is my fault because I must not have done enough kegels or because she thinks I gained too much weight. I think she is full of crap because a lot of women get this. I really want to wear my baby and be able to lose weight and get in shape, but I don't want to do anything to aggravate this and make it worse. I am probably going to get the whole woman stuff and the hab-it dvd.

 

 

Also, I saw someone else saying they use a footstool when they have a BM and that it helps. When I was doing research today I came upon this:

http://www.naturesplatform.com/health_benefits.html

 

You can google squatting and pelvic organ prolapse, too. What I read made a lot of sense, so in desperation, I decided to try it. This is kind of embarassing, but I felt really desperate and terrified of going again. I used a tupperware thing and squatted in my tub... and it worked!!!! I still bled and it hurt a little but everything came right out, very quickly and I did not push even once. It was the same exact kind of hard backed up stool that ripped me apart and was really hard to get rid of the other day. I checked my rectocele or whatever it is, and there wasn't anything left in there. So... if you are having a lot of pain because of the rectocele and you can't go, just try this. I was so excited I ran out of the bathroom in happiness telling my poor subject to TMI husband that it worked lol. This is what made me decide to post this right now, because I am hoping this can help someone else.... It has made me feel a bit more positive about all of it, if I can avoid some of the pain I've been in.


Edited by Calliope84 - 1/6/11 at 7:40am
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Hey Calliope, I'm sorry you are going through this! I was just like you two years ago when I discovered my pop. It was so awful! I wept and wept and was convinced it was my fault because I gained too much weight, and I did some heavy lifting while pregnant and after my dd was born. Well, ya know what, POP is really common. Here is a good study that made me feel so much better http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/461719_7
the study shows that 87% of post partum moms have POP. So basically everyone has it. Some women, unfortunately get it worse than others, but we all get it. I loved physical therapy and chiropractic.they both helped so much. I am looking into the series "aligned and well" which is supposed to be great.
As far as baby wearing....do it! I wore my baby regularly until a few months ago and it didn't affect my POP one iota. I even wore her while hiking in the mountains! I would, however, avoid seriously heavy lifting that requires hoisting or jerking. Like, I wouldn't try to push your couch out if the way while vacuuming, or carrying your baby in a bucket carseat. A good rule of thumb is that if it can throw your back out, it can aggravate your POP. A good baby sling will give you a lot of support and distribute the weight evenly, and not cause any pain or discomfort.
When it comes to pooping, it sounds like you are doing the right thing. I wouldn't be surprised if your poop muscles aren't a little damaged. They will probably heal just fine. It took mine a long time to get better. Now pooping is a non issue for me. I promise that you will get a lot better. Eventually you won't even think about it anymore. As you will notice on this thread there aren't a lot of long term posters. That must be a good sign! I only post here to encourage new moms who are scared, but I'm sorta over my POP. Best of luck!
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Just wanted to update.  I am now almost 6 weeks postpartumn from my second child birth and so far so good.  Its not worst at all.  I have been doing the Hab-It Video almost everyday although there was one week I was bad and didn't do it when we had company.  Other then that though I have been doing it and noticed symptoms are getting better already.  Hopefully they continue to get better.  The video really seems to be helping!!  I can't believe I am saying this but I actually am even considering that I could possibily have a 3rd child one day.  Of course DH doesn't want one and not sure if I do but after the birth of my first I was sure that my prolapse would limit me to just 2 children. 

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Hey Calliope, I'm sorry you are going through this! I was just like you two years ago when I discovered my pop. It was so awful! I wept and wept and was convinced it was my fault because I gained too much weight, and I did some heavy lifting while pregnant and after my dd was born. Well, ya know what, POP is really common. Here is a good study that made me feel so much better http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/461719_7
the study shows that 87% of post partum moms have POP. So basically everyone has it. Some women, unfortunately get it worse than others, but we all get it. I loved physical therapy and chiropractic.they both helped so much. I am looking into the series "aligned and well" which is supposed to be great.
As far as baby wearing....do it! I wore my baby regularly until a few months ago and it didn't affect my POP one iota. I even wore her while hiking in the mountains! I would, however, avoid seriously heavy lifting that requires hoisting or jerking. Like, I wouldn't try to push your couch out if the way while vacuuming, or carrying your baby in a bucket carseat. A good rule of thumb is that if it can throw your back out, it can aggravate your POP. A good baby sling will give you a lot of support and distribute the weight evenly, and not cause any pain or discomfort.
When it comes to pooping, it sounds like you are doing the right thing. I wouldn't be surprised if your poop muscles aren't a little damaged. They will probably heal just fine. It took mine a long time to get better. Now pooping is a non issue for me. I promise that you will get a lot better. Eventually you won't even think about it anymore. As you will notice on this thread there aren't a lot of long term posters. That must be a good sign! I only post here to encourage new moms who are scared, but I'm sorta over my POP. Best of luck!

 

Thank you!!! That is good advice. I am really shocked that more people don't realize they have something wrong but... I did the FAM method of birth control before I got pregnant so I was really used to feeling things down there. I knew exactly what everything felt like and looked like and where my cervix was supposed to be. I have had friends tell me they never even looked at themselves with a mirror before, or that they only looked after they gave birth. My first inkling that something was wrong was when I looked in the mirror and the pain I have when trying to poop. I have a feeling if more women were in touch with what things look and feel like before birth they would realize something is different afterwards.

 

I think I am going to write about this in my blog so it might show up in google searches. I like to talk openly about things that other people might feel awkward talking about. It helps to "normalize" things that should be normal to talk about anyway. Also, there isn't enough stuff online about this from a personal perspective. Online there are only really scary articles related to the medical profession.... Reading this thread, my faith in doctors is even lower than it was before, if that is possible. I think in 100 years people are going to look back and marvel at the "dark ages" of medicine where we didn't really know or understand everything and went around using medicines and injections without properly studying them and cutting things up and out because we didn't know what else to do.

 

I am glad you are over your POP. I am starting to feel a bit better. I'm going to do what I can diet wise and exercise wise (I got the whole woman DVD) and for my next pregnancy I will be very conscious of my diet and weight gain and lifting things, etc. I also will look into other options for birthing. I am kind of mad about my episiotomy and that I was flat on my back. I don't think my labor would have been as long had I not been at the hospital. And because it was long, I ended up with the epidural... then flat on my back... then getting the episiotomy. Although... I could not squat anyway because I had such bad fluid retention my feet turned purple after only a minute or so of squatting or kneeling. greensad.gif

I guess I can't worry about the past, though... just do as much research as I can and do what I can to try to keep this from getting any worse and hopefully healing instead. 
 

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Thank you!!! That is good advice. I am really shocked that more people don't realize they have something wrong but... I did the FAM method of birth control before I got pregnant so I was really used to feeling things down there. I knew exactly what everything felt like and looked like and where my cervix was supposed to be. I have had friends tell me they never even looked at themselves with a mirror before, or that they only looked after they gave birth. My first inkling that something was wrong was when I looked in the mirror and the pain I have when trying to poop. I have a feeling if more women were in touch with what things look and feel like before birth they would realize something is different afterwards.

 

I think I am going to write about this in my blog so it might show up in google searches. I like to talk openly about things that other people might feel awkward talking about. It helps to "normalize" things that should be normal to talk about anyway. Also, there isn't enough stuff online about this from a personal perspective. Online there are only really scary articles related to the medical profession.... Reading this thread, my faith in doctors is even lower than it was before, if that is possible. I think in 100 years people are going to look back and marvel at the "dark ages" of medicine where we didn't really know or understand everything and went around using medicines and injections without properly studying them and cutting things up and out because we didn't know what else to do.

 

I am glad you are over your POP. I am starting to feel a bit better. I'm going to do what I can diet wise and exercise wise (I got the whole woman DVD) and for my next pregnancy I will be very conscious of my diet and weight gain and lifting things, etc. I also will look into other options for birthing. I am kind of mad about my episiotomy and that I was flat on my back. I don't think my labor would have been as long had I not been at the hospital. And because it was long, I ended up with the epidural... then flat on my back... then getting the episiotomy. Although... I could not squat anyway because I had such bad fluid retention my feet turned purple after only a minute or so of squatting or kneeling. " rel="http://files.mothering.com/images/smilies/greensad.gif">greensad.gif

I guess I can't worry about the past, though... just do as much research as I can and do what I can to try to keep this from getting any worse and hopefully healing instead. 
 



 



You know a lot of women don't ever look at or think about their vaginas. We are trained from a young age that vaginas are dirty and ugly. We more natural type moms who are really active in our own medical care are more likely to know when our bodies are off and are comfortable enough to look at ourselves. I think that's why you find this giant thread here on mdc, but not in more mainstream forums.
I think it's really good that you are going to write about this on your blog. Get the word out! I tell all my friends about this. One of them even called me a couple of weeks ago and told me she had mild POP. It was no big deal to her, because she was almost expecting it. She was like " thanks for the warning, I would have freaked!". Oh and don't even get me started on the medical websites. They make POP sound like it's going to ruin your life! Um no, but you may need to tuck your butt when you poop! Of course more severe forms of it can be very hard to deal with, but I feel like the majority of women are unaffected by it.
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They make POP sound like it's going to ruin your life! Um no, but you may need to tuck your butt when you poop!


 

Weird question, but why does that happen?

 

Another question about POP: Why do POP symptoms get worse during menstruation?

 

And why do they seem to get better during pregnancy?

 

Thanks

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They make POP sound like it's going to ruin your life! Um no, but you may need to tuck your butt when you poop!


 

Weird question, but why does that happen?

 

Another question about POP: Why do POP symptoms get worse during menstruation?

 

And why do they seem to get better during pregnancy?

 

Thanks


Tuck your butt in? Humans are meant to poop squatting like they do in the rest of the world (in a hole in the floor, not on a sitting toilet.... And like every other primate also poops) If you are going to sit on a toilet any configuration that somewhat approximates a squat will help you get the poop out better because your rectum will be in a straighter line. If you choose to poop sitting down, there is a kink in your rectum which is why it takes straining usually to go. I posted that link above about squatting and some researchers believe that pooping on a toilet our entire lives and constantly straining as we have to get things out weakens the pelvic floor and also ends up causing incomplete elimination which might be the real reason we have so many issues with our bowels (appendicitis, colon cancer, IBS, etc.) in the West (not just because we dont eat enough fiber.)
I like this research article. http://www.uow.edu.au/~bmartin/pubs/96tldp.html

I posted this on facebook and my husband's friends commented derisively about people who poop in holes. Then one of them asked him  if I ever act on my "interesting ideas". My husband said yes and they didn't go further with that. I don't know why people are so weird about this stuff!!! lol.gif

 

Oh and, specifically to POP... For a rectocele or something you need as much help straightening things out as you can get. Otherwise stuff can get backed up there and you are trying to push out something that is DEFINITELY not anywhere near a straight line. I know this from experience and I very much wish I did not. Most painful experience ever. I'd say that until I figured this squatting thing out, my postpartum BMs were more painful (and very demoralizing) than childbirth. I dread the recovery after my next birth far more than labor itself. I'm now convinced I've been pooing the idiot way for 26 years. Constipation seems to run in my family and who knows, maybe that straining did really weaken my pelvic floor. It never had to be so difficult!


Edited by Calliope84 - 1/8/11 at 10:29am
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AlaaJ-mine got worse during pg but better afterwards...until I thought jumping jacks were a good idea. greensad.gif

I bought the hab-it DVD. MUCH cheaper on amazon & free shipping, btw. My bladder has been feeling weird. I don't know if I have the start of a UTI or if this is just POP stuff. I have thought about getting Mayan massage-I found somewhere about an hour away that does it. Does anyone have experience with it?

And is anyone else sick of the fearmongering about POP? Seriously it seems 99% of the stuff I read is very doom and gloom. You're screwed if you...cough, sneeze, hiccup, run, jump, move wrong, get constipated once, bend wrong, pick something up, do yoga, don't do yoga, belly dance, don't belly dance, have a kid, don't have kids, babywear, don't babywear, do crunches, etc. Like no matter what you do you are doomed to this horrible existence and once single thing once ever will totally ruin you forever. I stopped reading the Whole Woman board because of that. It seems like every response was no matter what people asked you WILL end up with a POP or worsen it. So why freaking bother? The negativity out there kills me.
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I hate the fear mongering and I hate the timelines! I'm 24 months postpartum and I am still seeing slight improvements. It seems like everyone thinks you are either healed by 12 months or doomed. I'm also not a big fan of that group. I guess I get slightly annoyed that the woman who wrote the book seems to think she's the only person who knows anything about POP etc, etc. We are all unique! What works for one person doesn't always work for another. I personally noticed improvement once I gave up the posture and just stood up straight. The whole pulling my tailbone up didn't work at all, in fact I think it made my rectocele worse.
I think a really good thing to do is to keep track of your activities, food intake and medicines and then see what happens with your POP. I found that the most random stuff can affect me. For instance I finally figured out that claritin gives makes me constipated. For a whole year I was convinced that my rectocele was causing my poop problems, until I quit taking claritin, then like magic the constipation was gone! I also noticed a huge improvement after I got chiro adjustments. Anyway, I feel like we all need to figure out a treatment plan for ourselves.
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I was depressed for months because of my POP. I had an overly managed third stage and complete uterine prolapse. It was literally outside my vagina - inside out. The MW 'fisted' it back into place. Ahhhh, nice. 

 

Anyway, when we tried to have sex the first time at six weeks pp (the first time we'd ever waited that long out of six kids), it was horrible. Horrible. It took six months for sex to be comfortable and another three before it was pleasurable again. 

 

It may take time, but it will get better. Just be patient. And mourn. It's okay to mourn.

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Good news! I went to my 6 weeks check up today and the doctor tells me I do not have a cystocele, but I do have a slight rectocele that she thinks can get better with time. She also told me that what I am seeing down there is just skin... my hymenal ring she said from the way I was sewn up and how I healed. She told me I look very normal and alright and like I am healing well. I made her check me standing up, too.

I still feel like my bladder bulges down to far and I feel like something is there sometimes when I am standing, but I am going to read my whole woman book, watch the dvd, do those exercises and kegals and keep healing. I feel much much better now.

(Also, I told her my method of squatting for fixing my constipation / hemorrhoid problem and she did NOT know what to make of that lol. I told her to google it. She didn't know the rest of the world goes like that. I'd like her to mention it to any other women who are terrified like I was. Having BMs right after childbirth can really really suck!)

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Hello ladies, I'm hoping you can help me figure out what's going on with my ladies bits.  I fear I may have a minor prolapse of some kind.  It's been 17 months since I gave birth.  I pushed for almost 3 hours.  Some of that was in the birth pool, but the end was on a birth stool, hunched over my belly and pulling up on the stool with my arms.  I've had an achy vulva whenever I'm standing for too long since then.  It has gotten dramatically better since the early post partum days.  The first couple weeks I couldn't stand for much more than 10 minutes.  Now, it's after about an hour or so, depending on what else I've done that day.  Standing around is the worst, like in the kitchen trying to make dinner, walking too slowly is also bad, walking at a normal pace is usually fine unless I'm carrying too much weight.  Baby wearing does make my tolerance shorter.  For a few months PP I would feel achier the morning after sex, but didn't have any trouble doing the deed.  I just feel heavy down there when the ache begins, like I'm dangling a weight from my hooha.  I actually have felt this same ache when standing on the first day of my period for years before I was ever pregnant, with my menstrual cramps.  It was also more frequent during pregnancy, but nothing like post partum. 

 

I experienced some stress incontinence in the post partum period, though it was a couple months before it began.  That seems to have mostly resolved, as long as I don't try any dance aerobics on a full bladder. 

 

I can feel the hard bulge of my bladder through my vagina, but I can't see it.  I can't remember if it felt the same before pregnancy or birth.  My cervix is maybe a little lower than it was previously, but nothing dramatic. 

 

I asked my midwife about the ache, she never suggested POP as a possibility. 

 

I noticed a big improvement when I switched from heeled shoes to flats.  I was sort of surprised by this, as I am mostly barefoot in the house, but it did make a difference.  Squatting and releasing the muscles down there makes the ache go away temporarily.  I just had my first PP period, and the aches were much worse right before it came.  We were on a 2 day car trip home from the holidays and I was having trouble with it just sitting in the car all day. 

 

What do you think?  Possible POP?  Something else?  Any ideas on making it better?

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Had a pap today and doc said it's all good! Woot! I can tell I have some bladder issues but everything else looks to be gone or perfect, so I am very relieved. I'm going to continue the Hab-it and Down there DVDs, though, to prevent my bladder from going anywhere. Yay!
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That's great news Calliope and Kittywitty!
Angelorum, I wonder if you may have a congested pelvis. I believe it's when the blood vessels in your pelvis are constricted and so blood can't flow eerily. It's something to look into anyway.
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That's great news Calliope and Kittywitty!
Angelorum, I wonder if you may have a congested pelvis. I believe it's when the blood vessels in your pelvis are constricted and so blood can't flow eerily. It's something to look into anyway.


that sounds pretty likely actually!  I haven't heard of it before.  My sister has had some of the same aches, and during her second pregnancy she developed some vulvar varicosities, which have come back with her 3rd and 4th.  Thanks for the idea. 

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Just an update on me

 

Have a Pessary was easy to get fitted, is easy to use, doesn't seem to change or help anything though.  Doesn't make me feel more supported and overall just seems annoying.  I'm not the best at remembering to wear it

 

Started physical therapy and I think it is going to help.  I'm getting better at kegals, learning some exercises to strengthen all the muscles that support my lower spine and pelvic floor and she also adjusted my sacrum and tail bone that were out of alignment.  Its definitely a forget modesty kind of therapy some visits but I know its worth it.  Found out muscles on the left side of my vagina internally were way tense compared to the other side and she did some massaging and stretching hip joints and other stuff that is helping with it.

 

She also told me that she saw an older lady who had really bad uterine prolapse where she had to push her uterus back into her sometimes it was protruding so bad and therapy actually helped her reverse some of the prolapse.

 

I think this is going to help me avoid or delay surgery and I feel like if I do end up getting surgery down the road having my lower spine and hips lined up right and all these core muscles strong will help improve my success rate.

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Can someone who has both compare these two videos

 

Down There and Hab It

 

 

I have Hab it and like most the the exercises but there are some I just don't like or think they help and am wondering if I would like Down There for women more.

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Down there is honestly not worth the money. If you go to the "You don't know squat" article she did, you get the gist of it. In fact, squats weren't even in the video. I'd save your money. wink1.gif
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Thanks!  Then I will just stick with Hab it.  THat one I really feel like has been worth the money. 

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UPDATE:

I am 3 weeks post surgery today. And today is the best I've felt thus far. I had pelvic organ repair surgery with a hysterectomy. The surgery went well, but slightly longer than expected as the repair that needed to be done was slightly more than they expected. They did an abdominal incision about 8 inch long and did the repair via the abdomen. I had anterior and posterior vaginal wall repair, they attached the vaginal wall to a ligament in my tailbone, put in a mesh to support walls, put in a birch in my bladder, and corrected my diastis recti. LOTS of work done.

 

I had bad reactions to pain meds, so they kept switching it up on me trying to find something that I could take. We really didn't have much luck, so mostly I've been in a fair amount of pain for the last 3 weeks. My daughter is still breastfeeding even though she refused to nurse while I was in the hospital... I am very relieved that we still wanted to, though if she had weaned I would have been fine with that too.

 

I have about 3 more weeks of hard core recovering, then I start PT back up for my pelvic floor muscles.

 

Honestly I had a lot of pain prior to the surgery which is one of the main reasons why I had the surgery, so I am fairly used to the pain. I am however THRILLED that I don't have push my vaginal wall in to have a bowl movement and that I don't have my uterus hanging out of my vagina. That's a pretty cool feeling.

 

For me with where I was in terms of severity of my prolapse I am thrilled with my decision to have the surgery. Totally bummed about my uterus, but it turns it has some abnormalities that are currently being tested on from a pathologist. No clue what they are but they said it looked "interesting" and they they were going to run further tests, from there are have ran more tests and my doctor is "hounding" them for the results.

 

Please feel free to pm me if you have questions, I'm happy to discuss my situation.

 

Take Care!

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