Sodium Ascorbate - Page 8

[chlobo]

Since the Swanson's Bioflavonoids are capsules, I assume you can just empty the contents & mix with something. It's got to be powder inside, right?

[Kundalini-Mama]

Question, I've been doing some research on bioflavonoids and I'm finding that they are abundant in citrus. Well, we take our SA in organic OJ once a day (or a bunch of small doses throughout the day if we are fighting something), so would that provide the 1:5 ratio needed of bio:SA?

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

I don't know. I take mine in orange juice too, but still add the bioflavinoids. The OJ is mainly to conceal the taste, and cover my bases as to other nutrients as well...

[Threefold]

Twin Labs also makes a bioflavonoid capsule (500mg). I have some on special order from the hfs. In order to get the 5:1 ratio in the correct amounts for my kiddos (who don't need 2500mg of SA on a daily basis), I am planning to measure and premix my powders. Is there any reason we can't do this?
My ds 5 drinks his in a small amount of oj, but my dd 18 mo, flat out refuses that, but she will let me rub the powders on the inside of her cheek. Is there any reason not to do it this way for her?

So many questions! I think I've learned more from this thread and the nutrition one than I did in my stint in grad school!

[Vicky2005]

I have been trying to find out if heat kills vitamin C.
For some reason it is stuck in my head that heat will kill vit c. Can somone tell me please whether I am wrong or correct?

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Vicky2005

I have been trying to find out if heat kills vitamin C.
For some reason it is stuck in my head that heat will kill vit c. Can somone tell me please whether I am wrong or correct?

Absolutely does.

The amount of vitamin C killed by pasteurizing milk is equal to the entire citrus crop in the U.S. (source The Untold Story of Milk by Ron Schmid ND)

[lucyem]

OK I am breastfeeding. If I have a vitamin (regular daily) he screams all afternoon. If I have a vitamin c he screams all afternoon. Juice is on the list I cannot drink, even apple makes him colicky. Just now at 5-6 months I can get away with a cup of grape juice now and then. Though grape juice gets to me. Fruit flavoured waters also cause problems. Anyway how can I get vitamin c into our bodies without causing him discomfort? Sodium Ascorbate you all mention in this thread as being what to get. Could that make a difference?

[Pookietooth]

If taking ascorbic acid is bad, does that mean taking supplemental HCL, or vinegar, is bad too? My naturopath has me taking Betain HCL capsules.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Originally Posted by Pookietooth

If taking ascorbic acid is bad, does that mean taking supplemental HCL, or vinegar, is bad too? My naturopath has me taking Betain HCL capsules.

Do a google search, research it.. ask her why, and then decide.

Nothing wrong with cider vinegar. It helps keep the body less acid.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Originally Posted by lucyem

OK I am breastfeeding. If I have a vitamin (regular daily) he screams all afternoon. If I have a vitamin c he screams all afternoon. Juice is on the list I cannot drink, even apple makes him colicky. Just now at 5-6 months I can get away with a cup of grape juice now and then. Though grape juice gets to me. Fruit flavoured waters also cause problems. Anyway how can I get vitamin c into our bodies without causing him discomfort? Sodium Ascorbate you all mention in this thread as being what to get. Could that make a difference?

I don't advocate supplementing as a normal course of events. You are short changing yourself if you do. The key to growing good babies in utero and outside utero via breastmilk is getting your nutrition right at least 18 months before conception.

Traditionally, indigenous people have the concept of special diets for women planning to become pregnant, during pregnancy and afterwards... why is it we have lost that?

If your diet is superb then you will need minimal supplementation. If your diet is not, then revamp it. But I do NOT advocate a vitamin supplement. The foundation of good health isn't so much vitamins as minerals.

They should be any pregnant/nursing woman's concern.

So the plan of action should always be a top diet.

Then, if like me you have an immunodeficiency, then supplement. But rarely will you need to supplement in a way that causes a baby problems.

Some people supplement so that they can have their cake and eat it i.e. eat junk and get the extra in tablets. It never works that way actually. All they are doing is shortchanging everyone.

So, in your case, particularly as your baby is seemingly sensitive, I would start with your diet.

If you feel its fine, just drop your supplements.

Have you studied the nutrition immunity thread?

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Okay, I reread this and thought more about it. If you do have to supplement, you have to know what you are doing.

Originally Posted by lucyem

OK I am breastfeeding. If I have a vitamin (regular daily) he screams all afternoon.

What is a regular daily vitamin supplement? What is in it?

If I have a vitamin c he screams all afternoon.

What do you call vitamin C and how much? If it has aspartame in it and some C tablets do, you are going to have trouble with a big T.

Juice is on the list I cannot drink, even apple makes him colicky.

Have you tried to figure out why? Is it the acidity? Is there some preservative or colouring in it, that might be an allergen?

Just now at 5-6 months I can get away with a cup of grape juice now and then. Though grape juice gets to me.

What do you mean, that grape juice gets to you. If it gets to you, are you surprised it gets to your baby?

Fruit flavoured waters also cause problems.

What are fruit flavoured waters? Are they ingredients that could be allergens?

Anyway how can I get vitamin c into our bodies without causing him discomfort?

Like I say, what do YOU mean by vitamin C, and in what form and with what are you taking it? If you supplement, WHEN do you supplement?

Sodium Ascorbate you all mention in this thread as being what to get. Could that make a difference?

It might. But you still have to know what you are doing, and why, or even if its necessary.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

The other factor in all this is your immune system, whether your husband has sensitivities, what state your gut flora is in, whether your baby has had antibiotics at all. There are a huge number of factors that relate to why a baby does what it does.

And if your medical history is like mine, and such that there is potential for problems, then its more important to know that. And so advice isn't easy if we don't know the whole picture as to what makes up everything that your baby came from, and your health because you are the conduit of his food.

[Sirte]

I read a post by MT a few days or maybe weeks ago that sometimes taking SA during an illness can drag out the illness. I couldn't find this post when I tried searching back. Can anyone explain this further?

I thought that SA could generally cause the illness to shorten or be less severe, not the other way around. If memory serves, MT was saying that sometimes when she feels a cold coming on, she'll hold off on the SA and then start taking it later on in the illness when the symptoms kick in a little more (or something like that?)

So how do you know what illnesses to start SA with right away, and which to let develop a bit before hitting them with SA? My H has been in some state of minor cold-like illness for a few weeks now. He's taking SA (but he seldom takes it to bowel tolerance and I'm wondering if the reason(s) why he can't kick the cold might have to do with: 1) the fact that he's not taking the SA to bowel tolerance to get the full benefit of the Vit. C; and/or 2) he shouldn't have started the SA at all until his symptoms developed a bit more.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Well, everyone is an individual.

If I get a cold I stop taking SA because it will just hang around with me.

I think that's because I've not yet fine tuned the minerals in my body yet, but also, because I so rarely get a cold now, I don't have too many opportunities to experiment to see what would work. I have found that now that I have my prevention better, that I'm becoming more ignorant about what to do at the bottom of the cliff

With my body there are tell tale signs that its a cold. For a start, the mucus with thicken up and become stringy before it starts. I feel it in the tonsillar crypt. I don't get those symptoms on any other infection type, so I know when its going to be a cold.

Last week I started to feel very tired and heavy and wondered if I had a cold coming, but the mucus didn't thicken, so I ploughed into the Vitamin C, and I think the problem was my annual spring-clean when I pig out on grapes, because it came right.

I wait until my cold is full blown and I'm over the peak of green before picking up the vitamin C again. But, having just written up the iron post on the nutrition thread, it dawned on me that maybe the problem was that until recently, I had anaemia, and the iron deficiency was a factor in it.

So next time I feel a cold coming on, I'm going to plough into the iron rich foods and see if that makes a difference.

With other infections like measles, mumps, chickenpox ~ anything that has a fever element (colds don't have a fever element with me) I don't hold back the vitamin C.

I'm not an expert enough on it.

I just jury rig what works best for me.

My ideal end point is to get my body to the point where it hardly ever happens, but as I said, that could leave you in a situation where you've forgotten what to do when it does happen.

But my husband is my model. His diet is fantastic and he simply NEVER gets colds. He just watches everyone else with them. Sometimes he will say he's got a cold, but his version of a cold is two drips from the right nostril and one sneeze.

So that's where I'm aiming. He's got far more halos than I have though and eats a lot more vegetables than I do. But he tells me if I would spent less time in front of the computer and more time working hard physically I would be able to have room to eat more than a budgie does.

Catch 22.

With your husband, I would feed him iron rich foods until they come out his ears and see what happens then. If it still hangs around, stop the vitamin C, and let the cold do its thing. After all, they a great cleaner outers of junk, and perhaps he has more junk to get rid of than the body can manage itself right now.

[sunshinestarr]

Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara

But he tells me if I would spent less time in front of the computer...

You'd better not listen to him!!

[dooldad]

good vit c e-book

"Ridiculous Dietary Allowance" by Dr Steve Hickey and Dr Hilary Roberts
available at Lulu.com
Its been some time since I read it. It does say that the half life for vitamin C in the body is 30 min and you should take it through out the day.
I'm not sure if they distinguish between the different forms.

Also a question for MT. I add 1/4 tsp SA in a liter of water and I try to drink 2 to 3 liters a day, is the SA still good. I would hope the SA doesn't some how go bad or inactive.

[Periwinkle]

OK I need some help with products here. I spent half an hour at The Apothecary yesterday. They seem to have every supplement out there. But no sodium ascorbate. Their specialist said they used to have one but don't anymore.

Whole Foods doesn't have it either.

BUT.... both places have a version of Vitamin C called "calcium ascorbate"... "Ester-C" I think it's called. It says it's very gentle on the stomach.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Dooldad, I have done that too. It should be fine.

Periwinkle, what do you mean by "any thoughts"?

[Periwinkle]

MT don't bust my balls! What do you mean what do I mean? I mean I need help!!

Pretty please?

[Threefold]

Originally Posted by the_dalai_mama

Twin Labs also makes a bioflavonoid capsule (700mg). I have some on special order from the hfs. In order to get the 5:1 ratio in the correct amounts for my kiddos, I am planning to measure and premix my powders. Is there any reason we can't do this?
My ds 5 drinks his in a small amount of oj, but my dd 18 mo, flat out refuses that, but she will let me rub the powders on the inside of her cheek. Is there any reason not to do it this way for her?

If I may commit the unpardonable sin of quoting myself, does anyone know the answers to my questions?

Thanks!