Sodium Ascorbate - Page 18

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Also do a google search for same. It will take me a while to see if I've put books on this thread. It's rather long

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Extract:

“FRUIT and vegetables are not as good for us as they were 50 years ago according to a scientific study. Modern farming methods mean that the amount of essential minerals in the food we eat has been reduced alarmingly. There is up to 75 per cent less calcium and 93 per cent less copper in fruit and vegetables, the study says. Runner beans, which used to contain a significant amount of sodium - vital for the working of the nerves and muscles - now have almost no traces of it at all.

The levels of other important minerals such as iron, phosphorous, potassium and magnesium have also plummeted. Nutritionist David Thomas said he was ‘astonished’ by his findings. ‘Minerals have been recognised as being very important to our physiology, but the general public has no idea that there has been this dramatic decline in the levels of such elements in our food,’ he said. His research allowed that broccoli has 75 per cent less calcium, which is essential for building healthy body and teeth. Carrots have 75 per cent less magnesium, which protects against heart attacks, asthma and kidney stones.

Spinach, famous as a good source of iron, was found to have 60 per cent less iron than it did 50 years ago. Mr Thomas said he believed the reduction in the mineral content in food was a result of modern farm methods which use massive amounts of fertiliser on the soil. The fertilisers encourage growth, but this is at the expense of the minerals which are important for good health. Mr Thomas said: ‘We are made up of these substances. If they’re deficient then the body cannot cope as well as it would otherwise.’



Daily Mail (UK), March 5, 2001

[caedmyn]

MT (or anyone else who knows)--do you know why large doses of vitamin C cause major gas & bloating? I mostly take sodium ascorbate to almost bowel tolerance but sometimes I just get tired of the horrible gas so I don't take it for a while..

[Pookietooth]

Registered dieticians tend to be very conservative with diet and supplements. How much has she really read about it? Most people are ill-informed about it. Also, a plant-based diet is deficient in many nutrients, including B12 and true vitamin A. And Omega 3 fatty acids are awfully hard to come by on it, unless you eat lots of flax seed meal (which is hard to digest) and certain leafy greens like purslane.

[Spy]

OK, my turn to ask dumb questions

Patient: 5 year old more or less healthy individual, roughly 25 kg
Ailment: Cold, pretty much a snotty nose (clear, not green or yellow), but lasting for a week now, which is rather unusual for the said individual and getting annoying
Vit C form: Chewable tablets, 60% SA/40% AA

He's been on 10 grams a day for the last couple days (and a little less before when we thought it's getting better), which is even more than the quoted 250 mg/kg. He is NOT dying from diphtheria, so I am not sure if I should give him more - it's just a cold, and not even too bad one. OTOH he has NOT reached bowel (in)tolerance point at 10 g/day, and I am not sure how much it can take him... I have a funny feeling, a lot more . So - what am I doing wrong? Not enough? Too much? Wrong stuff? :

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

MT (or anyone else who knows)--do you know why large doses of vitamin C cause major gas & bloating? I mostly take sodium ascorbate to almost bowel tolerance but sometimes I just get tired of the horrible gas so I don't take it for a while..

I back off my dose to one step behind the gas stage otherwise everyone can hear me coming and going, and I don't have a musical one like a steam train. So while I might feel a bit rumbly, it doesn't get to the stuff where I toot.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Originally Posted by Spy

OK, my turn to ask dumb questions

Patient: 5 year old more or less healthy individual, roughly 25 kg
Ailment: Cold, pretty much a snotty nose (clear, not green or yellow), but lasting for a week now, which is rather unusual for the said individual and getting annoying
Vit C form: Chewable tablets, 60% SA/40% AA

He's been on 10 grams a day for the last couple days (and a little less before when we thought it's getting better), which is even more than the quoted 250 mg/kg. He is NOT dying from diphtheria, so I am not sure if I should give him more - it's just a cold, and not even too bad one. OTOH he has NOT reached bowel (in)tolerance point at 10 g/day, and I am not sure how much it can take him... I have a funny feeling, a lot more . So - what am I doing wrong? Not enough? Too much? Wrong stuff? :

You're not doing anything wrong. It's just that you haven't quite worked out what it is yet. Wisdom is wonderful, but sometimes it comes with hindsight, not with foresight.

Um... have you looked at this?

http://www9.health.gov.au/cda/Source/Rpt_3.cfm

You need to click on the top link, then under the button, click on select disease for month and year, and then on the drop down menu, select pertussis.

Because... Um... Australia this year, has rather a lot of it...

[Spy]

Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara

You're not doing anything wrong. It's just that you haven't quite worked out what it is yet.

You need to click on the top link, then under the button, click on select disease for month and year, and then on the drop down menu, select pertussis.

Because... Um... Australia this year, has rather a lot of it...

Hmmm... it doesn't look anything like pertussis, but even if it is... does it matter in terms of SA?? Or it just takes longer, and I should just keep on the same thing, is that what you're saying?

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

emailed you. If he's not had pertussis, its something to keep in the back of your mind.

If it is pertussis, the cough won't define itself for another couple of weeks, but if you continue the SA in the meantime it will be harder to identify the pattern, so I'd cut it down for now, until you know whether its just a cold, or if a cough develops, then you can identify it.

It may just be a cold, but... it may not.

[Spy]

Got it. Thanks

[Swirly]

Sodium ascorbate can be hazardous to your health, I discovered today....








.....when I dropped the 1-kilo container onto my bare toe from five-feet in the air. : It's all smushed and blue, and I made my baby cry because I was holding her when it happened and I screamed really, really loud.


Back to your business, just had to get that out in the open :P

[gratefulmom]

OK~ So I have been reading thru everything the past 2 nights. Thanks for all of your info MT.
I understand why SA is the best form of Vit C. My naturopath gave us AA for my son (whooping cough and asthma) so I went out and got CA, not remembering correctly from past reading. So now I have both of these and have spent too much. Of the 2, which is better to give him until I get some SA?
TIA~

[wonderwahine]

Originally Posted by gratefulmom

OK~ So I have been reading thru everything the past 2 nights. Thanks for all of your info MT.
I understand why SA is the best form of Vit C. My naturopath gave us AA for my son (whooping cough and asthma) so I went out and got CA, not remembering correctly from past reading. So now I have both of these and have spent too much. Of the 2, which is better to give him until I get some SA?
TIA~

the AA with some baking soda

[nzangel]

Confused and bewildered!

Hi im new on the boards and i hate to sound dumb but was wondering if plain old vitimn c was as good as the sodium ascorbate. I read in some of the previous that it could be very acidic and that worries me as my 20 month old has severe reflux and cannot tolerate any sort of food without high doses of losec every day. I know by reading Hilary Butlers book that she says that it is great for the immune system which my boy really needs as the meds interfere with the stomach acid but if i were to get some am afraid that it will only hurt him.

Noah is 20 months and is still breastfed (when bad with food that is all he will take) and has not been immunised execpt the vitimn k at birth. HIs immune system is really low so i have just gotten the colloidaL minerals and floradix kindervital for children with vitamins a b c d and e. Is this going to help or am i just whistling in the dark here??

If anyone has any advice would appricate it as i really want to boost his immune system but do so with out agrivating his medical condition.
cheers:

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Originally Posted by nzangel

Hi im new on the boards and i hate to sound dumb but was wondering if plain old vitimn c was as good as the sodium ascorbate.

Hi NZ angel.

I'm not sure what plain old vitamin C is. I've never used the New Zealand tabletted types as they have junk in them, and some like healtheries have got aspartame etc...

So I've always bought and used sodium ascorbate, as its the most neutral ph and least disruption to biochemical processed.

I read in some of the previous that it could be very acidic and that worries me as my 20 month old has severe reflux and cannot tolerate any sort of food without high doses of losec every day.

ascorbic acid is made more ph neutral by combining it with bicarbonate of soda, and I think that combination is described above somewhere, but to me, its just easier to buy sodium ascorbate and use that.

I know... it is great for the immune system which my boy really needs as the meds interfere with the stomach acid but if i were to get some am afraid that it will only hurt him.

Then you could look at liposomal vitamin C which is absorbed in the mouth and by passes the digestive system.

That can be obtained here, and maybe they can answer some of your questions as well:

Appleton Associates Limited

P.O. Box 33-1196 Takapuna 1309

Auckland New Zealand

Freephone 0800 754-673

Ph: +64 [phone]

Fax: +64 [phone]

Email: [e-mail]

Noah is 20 months and is still breastfed (when bad with food that is all he will take) and has not been immunised execpt the vitimn k at birth. HIs immune system is really low so i have just gotten the colloidaL minerals and floradix kindervital for children with vitamins a b c d and e. Is this going to help or am i just whistling in the dark here??

Unfortunately with children like yours, the only way to find out is trial and error. The reason for that is that most medical people haven't the foggiest about what will or won't help outside prescription pharmaceuticals.

If anyone has any advice would appricate it as i really want to boost his immune system but do so with out agrivating his medical condition.
cheers:

I think there are some mothers here with children with similar issues. Hopefully some will chime in and help you out...

[provocativa]

MT you mentioned earlier dosing extra iron during suspected viral infections, but my reading indicates that bacteria flourish in an iron rich environment, so if the chance of secondary bacterial infection is significant, extra iron would give those guys too much of a leg up. Someone who never progresses to a sinus infection might be fine. This info is from my breastfeeding research, either Hale or Newman, iron supplemented formula is the reason many ff infants get fussy, b/c their gut flora is bad and then the iron helps the baddies to multiply. Another reason to have a probiotic food at every meal. . .
Minerals really are key to immune function and fighting viruses, in the US over 50% of soils are selenium deficient, selenium helps the body fight viruses. Mustard is a great food source of selenium, and good for a cold, too. Don't know specific soil deficiencies in NZ, of course, also I don't know what colloidal minerals you bought, pp, I have taken different concentrace products, and have had the best results with their sea minerals with silver, as far as my immune system goes (dds as well). It is more of a food supplement, with sea vegetables and the like, which are also natural chelators via their iodine content etc. But I'm landlocked so maybe I also needed sea nutrients more. But I have had herpes simplex mouth sores since my mid-20s, whenever I get stressed and they were chronic when I was pg with my first. Fast forward to second pg, and didn't have a one when I was on the sea minerals, except when i got poor and didn't order them. at the first sign of high stress an ugly one popped up on my lip. anecdotal, i know, but i also find that if we're on the sea minerals and get a cold starting, a little homeopathic aconite clears it up, if we're not on them, fighting the cold takes ALOT more work. DD1 is 3, and she takes them. DD2 is only 5 months but I will give them to her when she is old enough to eat with no fears. I hate that they work so well for us because they are expensive.
I think you all are getting gassy with the extra SA because you are having a Herxheimer reaction, and killing off some candida albicans and other bad flora- (possibly some good flora too) yeasties release gas when they die. Some enzyme supplementation would help with the die-off (see www.enzymestuff.com ).
Re: vitamin c and pregnancy, too little will result in a weak amniotic sac. too much can result in extra bleeding during childbirth. That's from a scholarly article i read at www.naturalchilbirth. org I think. . . i would consider the miscarriage risk would be less with sodium ascorbate considering the aforementioned chemistry.

[momto l&a]

Re: vitamin c and pregnancy, too little will result in a weak amniotic sac. too much can result in extra bleeding during childbirth.

Have you read anything of Dr Klinner?

[mama-a-llama]

So, for those who use SA and bioflavonoid powder as their regular C supplement, how do you do it? Do you make your own capsules? How often do you take it? I've been dumping a gram or so into my water every 2 hours and popping a bioflavonoid pill. But I'm getting tired of that, and I think there must be a better, less laborious way to do it.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by mama-a-llama

So, for those who use SA and bioflavonoid powder as their regular C supplement, how do you do it? Do you make your own capsules? How often do you take it? I've been dumping a gram or so into my water every 2 hours and popping a bioflavonoid pill. But I'm getting tired of that, and I think there must be a better, less laborious way to do it.

I've made my own capsules before but it's easier just to mix the powder with water. I used to take 1.5-2.5 grams every 2 hours but that got to be too much work and now I just take 3.5 grams plus one bioflavonoid capsule three times a day (with meals, basically).

[Ex Libris]

In the morning and evening I mix 3-4 grams SA in water and take one 1 g bioflavonoid pill.