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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Okay I need some help here. DH just got a great new job and I've just started back to work from my maternity leave so we have a lot more money coming in. I want us to find another place to live. Here's the dilemna though: We plan to move out of state as soon as practical job/money wise although it looks like this could be another year or two at least. I'm so sad about it too.

We have land that we own and a trailer on it that we live in. The trailer is very old though and has been added on to. The trailer is falling apart and we've already done repairs to so much of it and it still has a LOT to be done. (The roof needs repairs, the entire kitchen is water damaged, the floor in front of the front door is getting soft...)

I thought about us trying to find a foreclosure to buy or buy a piece of land and build a small house on. (We would need to buy land so that we could sell later when we're ready to move because the land we own is family land and we don't plan to sell it.) The only thing is I hate to have a monthly note on a house if we plan on moving and getting a different house in the next few years but I'm so sick of being in this dump we live in and it's literally falling down on our heads. Its not safe and I have 2 little ones living here. Advice, support, ideas? Please! I'm not sure what to do!
post #2 of 17
You mention that moving away depends on it being practicle money wise, if you move now alot of this extra money you have is going to go towards those costs & mortgage. If you get a new place now & sell that in 1 or 2 years you are going to have more fees to pay out for getting out of the mortgage early.

1 or 2 years before you move, I'd stay where you are & make it as liveable as possible. Use the quality of the house as incentive to save as much as you can so you can move in 1 year.
post #3 of 17
By the time you found land, bought it, and built on it, it sounds like you would be very close to moving. And at that point you would have no equity built up in it so all you would get is a lot of work and nothing much to show for it. I would wait unless you will be staying in the area for at least 5 years.
post #4 of 17

thanks brittneyscott

thanks brittneyscott
post #5 of 17
This might not be the most frugal thing you can do but if the living conditions are really bad maybe you could rent for a few years and then move with out having to deal with selling anything. Find a rental cheap enough that you can still put money away in savings. Then when you do move you'll have some money for a down payment there.
post #6 of 17
I was just going to suggest renting. I know it's a pain to rent, but most times, it's less expensive than buying land and building. Or, look into buying a yurt and putting it on the family land. That would be a good compromise between building and living in the place you are now.
post #7 of 17
Thread Starter 
I think we would be better off renting than buying if we do anything but I'm just so unsure. It seems silly (and its definitely not frugal) to rent something when we have something that's paid for that we can live in but its in such bad condition and we've been dealing with it for 4yrs now. I'm not afraid to sit here for the next year or two waiting. What is a yurt though? I've never heard of it.

**Us not moving because of money, I really should have said job. Sorry I need to explain myself here. It would be difficult for DH to find a new job if we moved right now. He has his CDLs but local companies mostly require that you be 25 (not til next Aug), and most OTR companies want experience with OTR that he doesn't have. He just landed a great new job (more money, benefits, better hrs, overtime) and soon he'll be able to get OTR experience with them without having to be gone that much. So we plan to let him work for them for a yr or 2 and then find him a new job. He'll be 25 and have the experience they want.

I would like to rent/find something for us to live in and be more comfortable in until we are ready to move but I hate to spend the money on rent when we own something. I mean it would be more frugal to save that money for the move and new house then but URGH! at the house we're living in now.
post #8 of 17
could you take the money you were going to use for a down payment and fix up your trailer? if its staying in the family anyway might as well be safe to live in. or yeah just rent till you can move, but moving is very stressful for everyone involved so maybe waiting a few years would be better.
post #9 of 17
Is there anyway you can make money off of the family land? Like let someone else live with their trailer for a month or so? That would help a bit with rent somewhere else. And you would be making money off of the land, so you wouldn't feel like it was going to waste. (and then, you could move out of state, without and continue to rent the land). Eventually, you could sell the trailer for whatever it's worth.
post #10 of 17
http://www.yurts.com/

There's the link for yurts. They're made of heavy duty canvas and they're made to be placed on land, and then can be moved with no trace left. They're not free, but available for under $10,000 and very livable, from my understanding.
post #11 of 17
Building a house will take you a year, so it might no be worth it. You could treat yourself to a few nice vacations to give you something to look forward to while you are in your trailer?
We had to live in an old trailer for a year while we remodeled our house, and I hated it.
You could also start buying books about different types of ecological houses, so when you move and buy land you'll know exatly what you want. I personally prefer double-wall adobe houses. They will last 300 years, look great, and there is just something about building out of dirt...
post #12 of 17
I don't know what the market is like where you are, but plenty of people now say that it makes more sense to rent rather than buy because the real estate market is going downhill.

Owning a home can be extremely expensive, and in many cases the benefits are really an illusion once you start realizing how much interest you are paying, what you spent on repairs, etc. For instance, even if I sold my house now for about 20% more than I paid for it 4 years ago, I would actually only be breaking even once I figured in what I paid in interest, new roof, etc.

I think houses should be bought primarily for emotional or quality of life reasons--not for financial ones. Especially when the real estate market is softening or going down in many places. And until you pay off the loan, the bank owns the house, not you. So owning is 'throwing money down the toilet" too.

BTW, foreclosure is not always the deal it seems to be--many people buy them professionally now, for one thing. And you also sometimes have to waive the ability to inspect or even go inside the property! which could be a VERY costly mistake. So i would really educate yourself about the local foreclosure scene in your area before you even think about going that route.

If you feel like you can handle the responsibility, one option might be to buy a 2-family home and rent the other apartment--then that would pay all or part of your mortgage. But becoming a landlord is also a huge responsibility that you shouldn't take lightly.

Good luck! Just assess your quality of life. Can you improve it (by renting or buying) by spending the same or close to what you are now?
post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 
The trailer that we live in is about 30yrs old... way past its time for a trailer. It has already been remodeled. Every room has been redone before except the kitchen. It really just isn't worth it to waste money on it anymore. I mean its a trailer so it isn't worth anything and it would fall apart if we tried to sell it or move it.

I was thinking about building because we could do it for not a whole lot over the cost of materials. We know people to do pretty much every phase of the job so it wouldn't cost a whole lot in labor. For example: my husband does driveways, septic tanks, light poles; my BIL can do the blueprints, framing; cousin can do roofing and cabinet work. We also have friends that do paint, siding, sheet rock, etc. There is a family owned landscape business. The only thing off the top of my head that we might have to hire an outside contractor on would be concrete/foundation. So we could cut a lot of the cost this way and we would only do a small house and then rent it out when we did move. i just don't know if I think its a good idea. Sounds good in theory but...
post #14 of 17
Is it possible to replace your trailer, perhaps with a used one? I have no idea what they go for, but I bet many of them sell used in pretty good shape because their owners simply wanted to upgrade. But, I also like that idea of a yurt!
post #15 of 17
I was going to suggest another trailer, as well. Those things depreciate like CRAZY! You could probably find a used one for a very low amount...think about what you'd be willing to spend on rent for a couple of years and add that up to arrive at a figure you can work with.

I don't know where you live, but when I lived in southwest Louisiana I saw ads for used trailers for sale in the paper every week, for ridiculously low amounts...many of them just desperate for someone to take over the note.

Another option: have you thought about a good sized travel trailer? This is another item that depreciates insanely quickly, so used ones are available much more cheaply than new ones. You could live in it now, take it with you when you move out of state to live in while looking for a home to buy, and use it for vacations once you're in a permanent home. My in-laws did this, and their trailer was one of the bigger ones...it was a "5th wheel" type of trailer, I believe. (They sold it and bought a smaller one for traveling, once they were settled in.)

Good luck finding a solution!

Holly
post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by KnockedUpButtercup View Post
I was going to suggest another trailer, as well. Those things depreciate like CRAZY! You could probably find a used one for a very low amount...think about what you'd be willing to spend on rent for a couple of years and add that up to arrive at a figure you can work with.

I don't know where you live, but when I lived in southwest Louisiana I saw ads for used trailers for sale in the paper every week, for ridiculously low amounts...many of them just desperate for someone to take over the note.

Another option: have you thought about a good sized travel trailer? This is another item that depreciates insanely quickly, so used ones are available much more cheaply than new ones. You could live in it now, take it with you when you move out of state to live in while looking for a home to buy, and use it for vacations once you're in a permanent home. My in-laws did this, and their trailer was one of the bigger ones...it was a "5th wheel" type of trailer, I believe. (They sold it and bought a smaller one for traveling, once they were settled in.)

Good luck finding a solution!

Holly
That is what I was going to say. I'd just look at buying another trailer and then taking it with you when you move.

We just sold our house--I bought it in 2002 and then the real estate market went CRAZY and the value increased tremendously. (like, it didn't quite double in value but almost.) And I had a lot of equity in it already. And it was in a good area, a popular area, and the second buyer who saw it made an offer after just 4 days on the market. So in many ways, it would seem like I should have made out like a bandit. Well let me tell ya, after several thousand dollars worth of repairs/upgrades before putting it on the market and then fixing little stuff that was not up to code (which had changed since *I* bought the house just a few years before!), getting slammed on the appraisal and having to go down many thousands of dollars in our price because of that, paying a ton of money in real estate commissions plus several other thousand dollars in closing costs--that huge amount of equity got whittled down really, really fast. And I'd had a good situation where the house had appreciated enough in value *and* I started out with a lot of equity, so I was even in a position to take a lower price if need to be and still get my money out of it. Building or buying is not inherently frugal or a good investment of resources, especially because there is a huge amount of cost just involved in transfering real estate, either as a buyer or a seller (as in closing costs, title fees, title insurance, private mortgage insurance, mortgage fees, and on and on and on--even if you "for sale by owner" you will still have costs--for instance I found out that in the state we lived in the seller by law pays the title insurance--well, that was thousands of dollars.) No *WAY* would I be thinking about either buying or building a house that I was not going to be in for at least 5-7 years or longer. I think three years really should be the minimum to consider. Even if you could get all house labor for free, materials are still really expensive and to build something that is an improvement is going to be more expensive--especially if you have to buy land. Building or buying are both very expensive propositions--lots of permits and legal details to consider. I would much more happily rent for a couple of years, you are not "throwing money" away at all, you are exchanging it for a nice place to live. Heck, you could be in a really nice apartment for a couple of years for the same amount of money you'd probably *lose* in selling a house you hadn't lived in for very long.

While we were looking at houses when we were moving, we saw one house that was bought by a younger couple who looked (from their wedding photos, college diplomas and other assorted memorabilia they had around their house) to be just out of school, fairly newly married and starting their careers. Well, they had bought the house in September--in April when we saw their house, the husband had gotten a job in another state and they were moving. They'd put a contingency contract on a house in the new state and then went ahead with that contract because they got an offer on their house. That deal fell through, and they were now stuck with two mortgages, and the wife finishing her job as a teacher here in this state while the husband went to the new state and the new house to start his job. We did some research and it turns out the house was originally listed for $270,000, and then they had reduced the price to $249,000--well, they had just bought the house for $224,000, eight months previously and had bought lots of nice Pottery Barn furniture but hadn't made any improvements to the house! They were just trying to mark it up to break even and cover their costs of selling too fast before the house had a chance to increase in value much. (in an area where annual real estate appreciation is between 2-4 percent annually.) I felt really bad for them, because there was no way they were going to get out of that house without losing money--even if some sucker is foolish enough to buy a house that is waaaay overpriced based on comparable properties etc., there is no way a mortgage company is going to lend somebody money when they are planning on paying over the appraised price for the house (which is a new development in real estate) and appraisals are more and more conservative (because appraisers have been sued for over-valuing houses, then the person goes belly-up and can't afford the house, and then the bank can't get the $ out of it and blames the appraiser.) I really learned a lot about real estate when selling/buying this time, and it's a different and tougher market than it was even a few years before!

Also, you might consider too that if you sell a house before living in it for two years, you may be subject to capital gains taxes on any equity you did have, unless you roll that into a 1031 tax exchange. (Same thing with if you rent out a house to someone else--let's say that you own a house and you live in it and you sell it. You get to keep any equity from that house tax-free. If you rent it out and have another primary residence and you itemize the expenses you have on that house versus the income you make on it and you depreciate it, you will then end up paying capital gains taxes on the equity you get when you turn around and sell it, unless you put that money in a 1031 tax exchange and go shopping for another rental. It may put you in a position of either losing a lot of equity, or being a perpetual landlord.)

Edited to add: I don't want to imply that I think buying a house is always a bad idea--in our case it actually did work out fairly well, we made some money on the sale even after all the costs, and we have purchased a house in our new location. However, we were lucky because we bought before a huge market boom and sold after it, and we owned the house long enough to have the costs of buying and selling averaged over almost five years and balanced out by appreciation over time. Real estate usually takes time to appreciate in value, and for the time frame of 1-2 years, I just don't think it's enough time that you'll be in the house to make all the start-up costs worth it in most cases unless you are extremely knowledgable as a real estate investor, or just exceptionally lucky. Example, if you spend 10,000 on a down payment on a 100,000 house, and then you sell in two years, assuming your property increases in value at a rate of 3% annually, (which is not a given, either, especially in the current real estate market in many places) and then at the end of the two years your property will have increased only enough to pay a realtor their 6% commission, and you will have been paying a lot of interest and not a lot of principal on a mortgage, so you are really going to have to be sure that you will be able to sell the house for at least 6 percent more than you bought it for just to pay off the mortgage, pay commission and closing costs and break even, and you won't have made any money and may in fact be in a more precarious situation to buy in another location because your money for your down payment is tied up in the current house. You may even find yourself losing money on the house and ending up in a financial pickle, especially if you need to sell quickly, let's say that your DH finds a job in another state and you have to move within a month or two. I'd sooner just put the money in a high interest savings account (you can get 4-5 percent on that amount of money these days in a savings account) and just deal with things and plan for the future, or purchase something better but portable that I could live with for a few years after we moved.
post #17 of 17
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I was thinking about building because we could do it for not a whole lot over the cost of materials. We know people to do pretty much every phase of the job so it wouldn't cost a whole lot in labor. For example: my husband does driveways, septic tanks, light poles; my BIL can do the blueprints, framing; cousin can do roofing and cabinet work. We also have friends that do paint, siding, sheet rock, etc. There is a family owned landscape business. The only thing off the top of my head that we might have to hire an outside contractor on would be concrete/foundation. So we could cut a lot of the cost this way and we would only do a small house and then rent it out when we did move. i just don't know if I think its a good idea. Sounds good in theory but...
The problem with this is things can get behind very quickly & can cause problems within the family as you're asking them to do the jobs they always do but for lower prices. If they are doing it for lower prices would they be doing them during their regular hours or after hours? IF it is after hours you are taking time away from thier regular lives, there isn't as many after hours hours in the day(especially when contruction usually goes until there isn't enough light)

Here this area is booming. You are looking at a wait of 2-3 months to get a basement dug & then concrete built, even if you know people in the business as the big contractors get first dibs. After that you're looking at at least a year. A friend of mine owns a construction company & their house that he was building was about 4 months behind schedule.

If the area you are in is not booming, will you be able to rent a place out when you move? IF it sits empty will you be able to cover 2 mortgages?

We live in a 30year old trailer that is now worth $140,000-$160,000, we paid $68,000 for it but this town is booming & the prices are insanely crazy.
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