Circumcision Key To Slowing HIV

[coco4cloth]

:
http://www.ksdk.com/news/health/heal...storyid=124972

[Papai]

I knew something like this would come out because of the AIDS conference in Sydney.

What an incredible LEAP of faith it is to say that male circumcision could bring about the extinction of HIV! So many countries in Africa already circumicse and they have HIV prevalence rates of over 5 percent!

WHEN WILL THE MADNESS STOP? CAN SOMEONE SPEAK OUT? Why did everyone at that conference stay quiet?!

[Papai]

Here's the wack job's contact info:

http://apr.sph.uic.edu/sphpub/facult...asp?i=rcbailey

[Papai]

Here's a great blog to watch:

http://www.circumcisionandhiv.com/

[Super Pickle]

Okay! Now the only question is: HOW do we get adult men to let us cut off their foreskins? That'll be next to impossible! Men generally don't want the most sensitive parts of their penises cut off. OH, wait, here's an idea--we'll get at the babies.

[Yoshua]

heres nother one....

arg, a friend just sent me this. Sadly he is not an intactivist, fairly sure he meant this as a 'see I am possibly right'..... And this article is talking about Gays.... Not hetero which is what the original study was for...


http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D8QIV3880.html

[goobergrl6]

someone just posted that article on another board I am on. A "let's be nice and not hurt people's feelings" board. I read it and wanted to SCREAM! Actually I just started pulling and twisiting my hair to get agression out (kinda like how I am POUNDING my keys right now!) How can people be so DUMB! Never mind this study was done in AFRICA! Where they have limited ammounts of sex education, aids education (even though a bunch of them have it), little access to proper meds, and a list of other things! How about we teach RESPONSIBILITY instead of mutilation? There's a thought!

[Papai]

Originally Posted by Yoshua

heres nother one....

arg, a friend just sent me this. Sadly he is not an intactivist, fairly sure he meant this as a 'see I am possibly right'..... And this article is talking about Gays.... Not hetero which is what the original study was for...


http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D8QIV3880.html

I don't see how it's an affirmation as the researcher is not saying anything new, he was one of the ones involved in these studies in the first place. He's just reiterating what he said before at an international AIDS conference.

I really, really abhor this whole HIV/Circ campaign.

[Microsoap]

We need to break it down into logical

Why hasn't any body of medical studies ever posed the question that perhaps it's in the biology for Africans or, perhaps more prodominently in African males that HIV/AIDS is more likely to occur?

You know, how it's like women are more likely for osteoporosis at a certain age and beyond, or Italians (male and female) are less likely for this and that. That made the nationality of a certain country's people are more likely for such and such a disease. KWIM? That if you did this HIV/AIDS study w/ African men and Swedish men, would you get the same results? Or Ukrainian men and Brazilian men (for example).

I'm not saying this is a fact, but if African people, or just African males are more susceptible to HIV/AIDS, then you need to concentrate on sex education there, for their country's nationality people, because the virus it's in their DNA that they are at risk.

To continue w/ hypothetical scenarios, it's like if we found out eating more potatoes made you at increase risk for diabetes (again, this is just hypo), then you'd maybe teach the people in Ireland to curb their appetite for potato consumption.

What I'm basically saying is, don't paint such a broad canvas with such a big brush.

[Papai]

Originally Posted by Microsoap

Why hasn't any body of medical studies ever posed the question that perhaps it's in the biology for Africans or, perhaps more prodominently in African males that HIV/AIDS is more likely to occur?

You know, how it's like women are more likely for osteoporosis at a certain age and beyond, or Italians (male and female) are less likely for this and that. That made the nationality of a certain country's people are more likely for such and such a disease. KWIM? That if you did this HIV/AIDS study w/ African men and Swedish men, would you get the same results? Or Ukrainian men and Brazilian men (for example).

I'm not saying this is a fact, but if African people, or just African males are more susceptible to HIV/AIDS, then you need to concentrate on sex education there, for their country's nationality people, because the virus it's in their DNA that they are at risk.

To continue w/ hypothetical scenarios, it's like if we found out eating more potatoes made you at increase risk for diabetes (again, this is just hypo), then you'd maybe teach the people in Ireland to curb their appetite for potato consumption.

What I'm basically saying is, don't paint such a broad canvas with such a big brush.

While no one has been able to pin down why AIDS has hit Africa so hard, I don't think this is necessarily one of them.

The fact that Africa has been the dumping ground for experimental medical procedures and drugs should also be considered.

If your theory were true, that would mean that all people of African descent, not just Africans would be more susecptible as you're talking about DNA. And that's not true for Brazil, where more than half the population is black and intact and yet they have a lower HIV prevalance rate than the US at .5 percent, according to UNAIDS.

[bluetoes]

I can see what you mean although I would imagine it would be more to do with sexual mores and practices than anything else. Although there are populations who are more succeptible to obesity and diabetes why not HIV?
(And having lived in Ireland for years people still do eat potatoes a lot so I can't even give you a hard time for citing a stereotype! )

I wouldn't mind as much if these doctors would say something along the lines of not recommending it for infants and saying that is isn't applicable to other parts of the world where AIDS is not an epidemic like it is in Africa. And FFS will someone not point out that the HIV rate in America is higher than in intact Europe. Makes me crazy!

Has anyone seen another article about the prostitution correlation?

[goodheartedmama]

someone posted this on the mainstream board I visit, and now everyone is patting themselves on their back for circ'ing. A couple people spoke up against the study, and it's a mess now.

[captivatedlife]

What'll they do when they start coming out with fgm being better for women?

Because it's wrong to mess with the girls....

Let's lop of parts of boys...:

[bluetoes]

I heard this on NPR last night. Wonderful. It is a recomendation by WHO as part of a comprehensive package to fight the AIDS epidemic in Africa. They also pointed out they did not want this to take away resources from other methods of fighting the disease and health in general. Unfortunately people in the US looking to find reason when it comes to circ. will jump on this as an excuse. And some people who just want to do the right thing for their kids will use it to because they don't delve further and actually THINK about it.

It just made me sad because of all places I would think NPR would be a source for the sort of people that might actually be swayed.