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post #1 of 15
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My mom was telling my about my birth story and she told me they put her under general after I crowned and pulled me out with forcepts. I was a vertex baby with a cord around my neck. No other complications. Still I can't see why this happened. She had no idea why either.

I have heard a couple of other posters here on MDC made similar comments about being put under general and the babies were pulled out with forcepts.

I was hoping some of the birth professionals on this board would know why this might have been done. Was this just common practice in the 70s and 80ss like epis for FTMs?

Thank in advance...
post #2 of 15
This was common as early as 1940s through the 1970s or so. It's called Twilight Sleep and thankfully isn't common any more.

ETA: Here's a link on the history of childbirth:
http://www.geocities.com/titus2birth...thhistory.html
post #3 of 15
yeah, I would question if it was general anesthesia...more likely gas or twilight sleep.
post #4 of 15
This is exactly the story of my birth too, back in 1981.

I don't think it was GA, though, either.
post #5 of 15
Wow, I didn't realize it was still done in the 80s. My mom had babies from mid-70s to late 80s and had natural births with all of us. She was part of the NCB revolution I guess. That was in CA, though. Maybe it hadn't spread to other parts of the country yet.
post #6 of 15
what was the point of "knocking" women out at this point. I know it doesn't make sense to us now but did your mothers tell you what reason they were given? (probabaly none, but I had to ask)
post #7 of 15
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Wow, I didn't realize it was still done in the 80s. My mom had babies from mid-70s to late 80s and had natural births with all of us. She was part of the NCB revolution I guess. That was in CA, though. Maybe it hadn't spread to other parts of the country yet.
I was born in a little town in Louisiana. In fact, I was the first baby born in that hospital who didn't have mandatory separation from the mom for 24 hours because my mom threw a fit and called the mayor. I was "only" separated from her for 4 hours after birth (so, she didn't even see me for the first 4 hours at all) while she was on the phone with everyone she knew trying to get her baby back. : : You would think I was born in 1950, or something.
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by Veritaserum View Post
This was common as early as 1940s through the 1970s or so. It's called Twilight Sleep and thankfully isn't common any more.

ETA: Here's a link on the history of childbirth:
http://www.geocities.com/titus2birth...thhistory.html

<nodding>

i was born in 76, and my mom labored with me and right before delivery, she said she was knocked out. my grandm got to hold me etc before my mom even saw me.
post #9 of 15
Same thing happened with my mom. With all of us she labored till the pushing stage then the mask was put on and my 2 brothers were removed via forcepts. I actually made it out without the forcepts because I came so fast.
post #10 of 15
my mom's labors were 1 hour-- so she was ready to push by the time she got to the hospital, but the insisted on a spinal before she pushed. I'll have to ask her how long she had to wait to hold us. that was in the 1970's
My grandmother was knocked out completely- that was in the 1940's, I don't think she labored much before they knocked her out. Not sure why they thought this was best.
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what was the point of "knocking" women out at this point. I know it doesn't make sense to us now but did your mothers tell you what reason they were given? (probabaly none, but I had to ask)
I don't understand it either... My mom was told it was because I had the cord around my neck and I would have suffocated to death if they didn't. I don't know how they knew because my neck wasn't out and they didn't have ultrasound back then available for her. They did an x-ray to show I was vertex before they "let" her deliver but she said they couldn't tell much from it. :

I didn't know it was so common... I have heard a lot of stories from the 70s about the spinal block. My MIL had my DH in less than 2 hours total labor and delivery and they still made her do that. I had heard other relatives that delivered in the 70s tell me about that one. My mom was the first to tell me about the twilight sleep. I knew it happened in the40s but I didn't know they were still doing it all the way into the 80s.
post #12 of 15
It use to be thought that the forceps + episiotomy prevented damage to the mother's body (due to stretching) and kept the baby from being damaged by the birth (due to the banging into the perineum).
"Episiotomy spares the baby’s head the necessity of serving as a battering ram against perineal obstruction.”
post #13 of 15
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It use to be thought that the forceps + episiotomy prevented damage to the mother's body (due to stretching) and kept the baby from being damaged by the birth (due to the banging into the perineum).
"Episiotomy spares the baby’s head the necessity of serving as a battering ram against perineal obstruction.”
post #14 of 15
I believe it was all about the Docs being in control. Managing the birth. Couldn't just let the Moms push their babies out. Much like epis not long ago and epidurals and C-secs these days.
post #15 of 15
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"Episiotomy spares the baby’s head the necessity of serving as a battering ram against perineal obstruction.”
This was the theory popularized by Joseph DeLee, a leading early 20th-century OB. He also speculated that nature may have intended women, like salmon, to be "used up" by the reproductive process. He considered physiological birth to be an "evil" that obstetricians could save women from by aggressive active management.

The regimen he developed, which rapidly became the standard for hospital birth, involved sedating women with scopolamine ("Twilight Sleep") in early labor (though some OBs skipped this part--it's a hallucinogen that doesn't induce full unconsciousness and it made many women unmanageable (i.e. sent them off on what was basically a bad trip--hence the practice of using straps to restrain them to bed); waiting for the cervix to dilate or for crowning; knocking the mother out with ether, performing a "prophylactic" episiotomy, applying forceps and pulling the baby out.

My MIL's first labor in the late '50s went too fast for her to be given scopolamine, but when crowning started they knocked her out with ether, even though the baby's head was out before they could apply the forceps. When she came-to she was furious and wanted to know why they'd knocked her out when the baby was all but born. The nurse told her that crowning was the most painful part of birth and that no woman in her right mind would want to subject herself to that kind of pain.

My MIL thought otherwise and was living in England when she got pregnant with her next baby. She studied "natural childbirth" with followers of Grantley Dick-Read and had the rest of her babies (four) with no medication and no interventions other than episiotomies (they were all but impossible to avoid in those days, and almost no one questioned them), which was still very unusual in the late '50s and early '60s. And she did get a shot of Pit to induce her second baby after she went to 43 weeks. IM Pit--yikes! But at least in the early days of the natural childbirth movement, if you managed to get "permission" from your OB to try it, they pretty much left you alone to labor in peace (though without support--most hospitals didn't allow husbands or partners to stay with laboring women until well into the '70s).

As an interesting aside, my mother's OB was an early infertility specialist whose area of expertise was in treating Holocaust survivors who'd undergone medical experimentation. So he saw first-hand the negative effects of giving pregnant and laboring women medications of any type, and she had me drug-free in 1963. A vaginal breech birth to a primip who was 4'11" and married to a man who was 6'3" no less (though she did have the requisite episiotomy, and I got forceps applied to my head while I was pulled out butt-first--completely intervention-free birth was still hard to come by).

All I heard growing up was about how wonderful "natural childbirth" was and how lucky my mom felt to experience it--then I heard the same from my MIL. And of the 11 biological grandchildren between them, none of their births were induced/augmented or medicated, even those that took place in the hospital. I do think it makes a difference to hear about the experiences of women in your own family who've managed to give birth without medication--I was definitely spared the fear of birth-pain that so many women grow up with.

Katie Prown
Legislative Chair
Wisconsin Guild of Midwives
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