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post #1 of 32
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My DS is 25months old, very bright, sweet and active, however, has always been a challenge, since infancy. He went thru a stage of terrible tantrums and hitting, however I saw some major improvement lately with less frequent meltdowns and hitting.
He is addicted to pacifier. Honestly. First 18months of his life he only used to sleep with it and had it only once in the while during the day, but last 7 months he got really attached to it. Myself, my DH and my nannie had been trying to gradually wean him off, the nanny and my DH have success since when they don't give him, my DS doesn't ask, but the minute I come home he is expecting me to give it to him, and I would cave in every time...until recently. Past few weeks I had been trying to limit it until bed time only and my son would whine for it in the evenings all the time.
Anyway...it's becoming a long post.

Last night we went outside to the school yard near by to play. I didn't take binkie with me. Max wanted to play where the big boys run around and I took him away, since it was dangerous, they could knock him over.
He started screaming like crazy, I'm not exaggerating, it was bad. Initially I thought it was because I took him away from having fun, but later I realized it was because he wanted his binkie. He was screaming so loudly, he pulled my hair, he bit me, he hit me, he scratched me, he pinched me, he kept falling on the ground and hitting me with his feet, he turned all red. I mean I have never seen so much anger and rage coming from him, it scared me. I never lost my cool, I kept on repeating: Max, honey, I understand you are upset, I know, you are angry, we will go home and I will give you the binkie, I don't have it on me, Max, I know, I know, I understand, you are mad, you are upset..." I kept picking him up and trying to carry him home, but he would wiggle out of my hands and fall on the ground, or he would try to run onto to the street, I mean it was terrible (not to say I had to endure dirty looks from stranger). It took me 20 minutes to get home (5 block distance). All this time I endured his physical abuse and screaming. But the time I got home, I literally was spent and horrified by his behaviour. I threw a binkie at him and laid on the floor exhausted. The minute he took that binkie, he became a totally different child. He got quiet and had a very guilty look on his face. My father stopped by and I burst in tears and spilled my heart out to him. My dad said to Max: go kiss mama, go hug her, show her some love. Max came over and started patting me and kissing me and hugging me and saying: "mama niiiice, nice maaama..." It took all my strength to return affection to him, I couldn't even look at him at that moment.
It is almost like he held all this anger inside him in front of my DH and the nannie and used me like a punching bag, letting out all his aggression on me.
Now, I don't know what to do with that damn binkie. I hate that thing. I don't understand why he is so attached to it. All of us, including the nanny ( I observed them together) show him so much love. We co-sleep and cuddle and kiss and bottle-nurse and play with him. Remember how I was wondering if I'm showing him too much love. It's not like he is lacking love from us, that's why he needs that soothing.
Please share some advice on what to do. Should I just give up trying to wean him off that thing, or should I persist? I'm lost.

where is that rage coming from? What am I doing wrong? Is it just the pacifier or could there be a deeper issue? Since last night's tantrum, he has been behaving very well (comparetively)

Also, please share on how you would handle this kind of tantrum on the street, did I handle it well in your opinion or not?
post #2 of 32
My dear, I'm very sorry you had this experience and my heart goes out to you. Being a mama is tough work. I used to work with a woman, now retired, who always said that raising children is the hardest job in the world.

Please don't take offense here but I don't understand why you have a problem with the binky. Hear these words: IT'S NOT PERSONAL. He doesn't use the binky because you are doing something wrong. He doesn't use the binky because you are lacking something in your mothering skills. He's using it because it serves some need that only he knows. You went through hell, HELL, because he wanted his binky. You need to decide if going through hell is worth your dislike of the binky. It doesn't matter if he didn't want one before and you don't understand why he needs it now. It doesn't matter that you give him lots of love. For whatever reason, he wants a binky. If you want to go through hell again then go ahead and take it away but don't be shocked, SHOCKED! if he behaves that way again.

My DD is 22 mos and still uses a binky. She's always used it for sleep but used to use it just off and on during the day. For about a month now she wants it ALL THE TIME. Whatever. I'm not fighting it. I don't have a clue what's going on in her mind re: the binky but I know it soothes her and that's fine. When she's ready she'll give it up.

Toddlers are oral creatures. They grow out of it but not as fast as some of us wish. Why take away his oral comfort? You ended up traumatizing BOTH of you. The binky is your problem, your issue, not his. Let It Go. Give him the binky.
post #3 of 32
i only have a moment, but i wanted to give you a big hig. i agree with the other poster completely. if it were me, i would let my child have the binkie...that kind of stuff isn't a big deal to me at all. my son is 3 1/2 and has a blanket (his baby) that he has had since birth. he takes it EVERYWHERE and when i wash it (which i try to do during naptime), he cries and stands by the dryer begging for it. i don't care to wean him off it at all....it's no big deal. if your just getting rid of the binkie because he's two and you think that's what you're supposed to do....i don't judge you for that, but it looks like it is going to be a difficult and daunting task. i'd just let him have it; he obviously really loves it
post #4 of 32
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Verde, thank you for your compassion.
And maybe your advice is the validation that I need. The problem with binkie is mine, I know and as well as the rest of people surrounding me who are pressuring me to wean him off. I keep thinking AND hearing, that if I don't wean him off he will not grow out of it ever. It's my problem, I know. He is such a gorgeous child, (not only because he is mine) and I dislike seeing his face with it.

I really am thinking that I will let go off withholding it from him and just let him be.
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Originally Posted by elizawill View Post
i only have a moment, but i wanted to give you a big hig. i agree with the other poster completely. if it were me, i would let my child have the binkie...that kind of stuff isn't a big deal to me at all. my son is 3 1/2 and has a blanket (his baby) that he has had since birth. he takes it EVERYWHERE and when i wash it (which i try to do during naptime), he cries and stands by the dryer begging for it. i don't care to wean him off it at all....it's no big deal. if your just getting rid of the binkie because he's two and you think that's what you're supposed to do....i don't judge you for that, but it looks like it is going to be a difficult and daunting task. i'd just let him have it; he obviously really loves it
Yes, I totally feel pressured to start weaning. I guess it's a mainstream part of me talking.
I thank you for your understanding and advice.
post #6 of 32


Let him have the binkie. He'll give it up when he's ready. You might want to drop the subject for a bit, and then gently introduce the idea of a 'Binkie Fairy'...
post #7 of 32
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Let him have the binkie. He'll give it up when he's ready. You might want to drop the subject for a bit, and then gently introduce the idea of a 'Binkie Fairy'...
thank you for advice...

I like the Binkie Fairy idea.
post #8 of 32
don't forget, he's two. he's still a baby. he might be walking and talking and feeding himself (and some two year olds are diaper free, and some have self weaned too), but he's still a baby. you wouldn't be heartbroken if your infant cried and screamed when you held him would you? of course not. you'd try and meet your baby's needs without taking it personal. that shouldn't change just because he's two now.

remember all behavior comes from need, even if we can't tell what those needs are (but in this case i think you could).
post #9 of 32
Let him keep it. My DD used one for sleeping until right around 3. she decided on her on that her teeth hurt and she didn't want to use it.
1st night she went to sleep without it but it took a looong time for her to drift off.
The 2nd night was really hard...she cried for it and I told her that this would be hardest night but she could do it.
3rd night...no nuk (we call them nuks) off to sleep relatively easy.

A few afternoons later we went to Michael's and "traded" them in for art supplies.

It was simple b/c she was ready. Let your DS decide when he is ready and be damned all those onlookers trying to make you feel less than. screw them! your son is more important.
post #10 of 32
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Every advice that I got so far tells me that I should just attend to my child's desire for binkie and forget about all those people who stick their noses into my business.
post #11 of 32
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Every advice that I got so far tells me that I should just attend to my child's desire for binkie and forget about all those people who stick their noses into my business.
I know the feeling. I've had people make comments about my DD's binky. I honestly don't care what they think. She's so great in so many ways that the binky doesn't bother me at all. You have to put on your armor and let the critical comments roll off of you. You want to enjoy your time with him, not dread your time with him.

Besides, in the future, as he's accepting his Nobel prize, you can remember this issue, wonder why you were ever worried, and laugh.
post #12 of 32


I think you handled the tantrum on the street just fine. What else could you do? It sounds like you kept your cool. I have weathered more than one of those kind of melt downs and I know how draining they can be. Be sure to do something for yourself to fill yourself up again.

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Originally Posted by Janelovesmax View Post
I keep thinking AND hearing, that if I don't wean him off he will not grow out of it ever.
And in response to that.... I have never seen a teenager use a binky.
I agree with the other mamas. Let him use the binky and if anyone comments, just say you are doing what is best for your family. :
post #13 of 32
I think you handled his tantrum very well. Probably better than I would have done. My daughter is 26 months and still needs her pacifier to fall asleep for naps, at nightime, and when she's just sleepy she wants it. We have a hanky sewn on her pacifiers so she can find them easily. She can distinguish between hers and Sophia's by the color of the hanky for over a year now. She calls it a 'pah'. That seems to be her pattern with words, pronouncing the first sound and dropping the rest of it.
post #14 of 32
What a loving and thoughtful mama you are...it's so hard to stay clear about what you feel is right when everyone is telling you the opposite. I go through that with my MIL and other family members and I'm learning to just tune it all out.

I wanted to share our binky story just to give you some reassurance. My oldest is now 4 1/2 and he just gave up the binky about 4 months ago or so. I was content letting him use it indefinitely but he started to get a significant gap between his upper and lower teeth. We decided to help him let it go because at this age we couldn't really do the binky fairy thing (he's a pretty rational kiddo in that way!).

Anyway, he missed it the first week but felt so proud of himself every morning when he woke up and had slept without it. It was really great. And his gap has already closed, which really amazed us.

I really liked that he was engaged in the process with us and we could talk about it and reason out why it wasn't good for his teeth. Now some kids have no problems with their teeth, so don't worry about that at all. And anything that happens to baby teeth will either resolve with discontinued use (like my ds's did) or when the grown-up teeth come in.

My ds, like yours, really had a need to suck for a long time. I did extended bf'ing and that wasn't enough! He needed that binky and he really enjoyed it for the 4 years he used it.

You might, in time, limit his use to just at home or just at nap and bedtime. But now he is still so young...I would just let him have it whenever he wants it.

As far as the tantrums, I agree with a pp that you handled it really well. Another option to keep yourself safe is just to be near him but don't try to pick him up or move him. Just let him go through it knowing you're there. It sounds like if you have a binky in your bag, that might just be what he needs to avoid the whole escalation anyway.

post #15 of 32
Hang in there (in terms of the social pressure to wean him from the binky).

My ds self-weaned from BF'ing at 10 months. However, he loved loved loved his bottle because he could take it with him as he wandered around. He used his bottle until he was 3 1/2!! He totally learned how to use a sippy cup, and a regular cup, and for most of the day he ate and drank "like a big boy" (mainstream approved, ya know!). But first thing in the morning, and right after getting home from daycare, he wanted his bottle of milk.

My dh had such a hard time with it, but me personally, I didn't care. I figured he could drink from a bottle until he was a grown-up if that's what he wanted.

He just found it so soothing, and when I think about how many children do extended BF'ing (if given the chance), it makes me realize that children need to suck for a lot longer than mainstream society expects them to. It is ironic though, if you consider the types of sports-drink bottles grown-ups drink out of... if adults can suck their liquids out of bottles, why can't 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 year olds??

Your ds will most likely give up the binky on his own before pre-school or kindergarten. If not, he will certainly face pressure from his peers to stop using it.

In my case, my dh couldn't stand it so much that he negotiated with my son to throw out his bottles in exchange for receiving two awesome toys that he really wanted. My ds complained for about 2-3 days afterwards that he was ready to return the toys and get the bottles out of the trash, but we just explained that the garbage collector had taken them to the landfill and they were gone forever, and he was sad, but accepting. Again, this was at age 3.5, so he was old enough to understand the loss better.

Good luck -
post #16 of 32


tantrums in public are not easy
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Originally Posted by verde View Post
Please don't take offense here but I don't understand why you have a problem with the binky. Hear these words: IT'S NOT PERSONAL. He doesn't use the binky because you are doing something wrong. He doesn't use the binky because you are lacking something in your mothering skills. He's using it because it serves some need that only he knows. You went through hell, HELL, because he wanted his binky. You need to decide if going through hell is worth your dislike of the binky. It doesn't matter if he didn't want one before and you don't understand why he needs it now. It doesn't matter that you give him lots of love. For whatever reason, he wants a binky. If you want to go through hell again then go ahead and take it away but don't be shocked, SHOCKED! if he behaves that way again.
I agree. It sounds like he's just not ready to give it up.
post #17 of 32
Tantrums in public are definately hard. You have my empathy there! However, its not helpful to take tantrums personally. As mothers, we cannot go through life feeling heartbroken by our kids behaviors. I'd be dead by now. Being attached to our children is a good thing -- being emotionally dependent on their moods and behaviors is not. And there is a difference. Kids act all sorts of ways, and what makes us decent parents is the way we respond to them, not the fact that they acted that way in the first place.

And yeah, I'd let him have the binky! Not only that, but I'd insist the Nanny let him have it too. I suspect he is more dependent on it when you are home because he's been "saving it up" for you.
post #18 of 32
I think you did a great job. The only thing I would have done differently is to tell him that it is not ok to hit Mama, that we do not hit people under any circumstances, no matter how mad we are.

As for the pacifier, my daughter was an addict until nearly 3, and what worked for us was for her to help in the decision-making process. We told her that she was getting to be a big girl and that we wanted to help her to be a big girl. We had a little "goodbye sucker" ceremony and she herself threw it away. She never asked for it again.

Good luck - it's so hard and scary when your kids rage out of control. But very normal.

Amanda
post #19 of 32
You're a good mama. Tantrums in public are so very, very difficult! I remember the time some stranger thought I was beating my kid 'cause she was screaming so loud.

My DD is 27 mos and still gets her binky. She loves it. She doesn't have it all the time, but sometimes it's just necessary for her. Try to remember that it has nothing to do with the amount of love you give him or the time you spend with him, or anything like that. Try to think of the binky as a way for him to relieve his stress and regain his center. It's just a way for him to cope with his intense feelings. We adults to the same thing, just with different things (deep breathing, exercise, piece of chocolate, etc).

A year ago I tried to get my DD off her binky unsuccessfully. And then I finally let it go. I don't care about it anymore. I was one of those people who swore up and down no kid of mine would have a binky beyond age 1. Ha! Joke's on me.

My DD uses her binky to sooth herself. When I tell her no or don't allow her to do something, she asks for her binky. When she's overtired but too wound up, she needs her binky. Basically, any time she's upset or tired, her binky helps her relax. To be perfectly honest, I'm actually pretty glad that she has something that brings her comfort when she needs it most.
post #20 of 32
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Originally Posted by Janelovesmax View Post
Every advice that I got so far tells me that I should just attend to my child's desire for binkie and forget about all those people who stick their noses into my business.
Absolutely!! You need to listen to your boy. He's trying to tell you something!

My ds was a binky baby till he was 3 years old. We weaned him & dd of them at the same time (she was 18 mos).

I'm so sorry you had to deal with the struggle and screaming and abuse trying to get him home!!! We've been there many times. And I understand having a very hard time showing affection even after the child in question calmed down. It doesn't make either of us a bad mom, it means we're human. After such an ordeal I don't know anyone who could just flip a switch to sweet and loving that quickly.

I would let him have the binky. One little boy I used to care for would come w/ his binky all the time but he never used it. I started tucking it in his pocket so it wouldn't get lost. I don't know if he weaned off it at home, but he sure didn't need w/ me. Go ahead and let the nanny & dh keep it away. Sounds like he's doing fine without it WITH THEM. If he needs it w/ you, it's ok. He's only 2.
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